The Universe

[zeebler]

Hallo everybody! I am a new here and, excuse me, my Engish isn't so good, but I will try to post some interessting posts
What are you thinking is the Universe? Last opinions for this theme are that she is like sphere. I had read that when a man go in the past, one new universe is "born". Is this a true?
Lets think. What will happen if one man go back to the past with time-machine? By this theory, one new universe will appear. If in this machine are two men (like word "people") - they will be together in the end of the "travel". What will happen if two men, with two different machines, travel back to same place and date - if they meet eachother at the end-point, this theory will be changed
What are you thinking about this and what theorys do you know about the universe?
Thanks very much!

[NeonVomit]

There is a theory that says if anyone ever fully understands the Universe, it will instantly disappear and be replaced with something even more inexplicable and confusing.

There is another theory that says this has already happened.

- Douglas Adams.

[Kain´s seventh son]

Welcome to our board zeebler

So you begin with nice, VERY large question one I can't think through right now... both too tired and too mixed up with everything with my girl, but still, welcome to our nice little corner of the internet-universe

[browneyedgirl]

The Universe is Infinite---there is no beginning, there is noend--it goes on forever&there is evidence that the Universe is expanding, so if one were to board a spaceship the second he/she is born and travel from Earth as far as the ship could travel in the person's lifetime(72 years) at the speed of light, the distance traveled would be a mere speck compared to how far the Universe reaches! Staggering, ain't it? In other words, the Universe is one damn big place!

[zeebler]

Another theory
The Universe is like Earth - a sphere. She has no beginning and no end. In all 4 dimensions (not 3 like the sphere) the time has no end too, but is limited. I don't know what this means ("the time is limited").

About the understanding - so many thing are understood, but nothing of they has desapear And with his mind the human can answere to many questions, with time, research and experiments - the expirience. That is. That makes the things easier and possible. I do not support the ideas that are made in "The Matrix"

Thanks to everyone for their writing!

[stratobabius]

time has no end too, but is limited.

I think I can explain that . Everything exists in the Universe correct? The same goes for time too. Outside the universe, (if something like that exists) noone knows what's going on. Maybe Everything is trapped in the Universe. And it can't go out of it. That means everything is limited within the borders of the universe! Noone prohibits anything from happening within the Universe but, nothing can get out! In that way it is limited I suppose...

If anyone DOES understand what I wrote, tell me ok?

[Paola]

The Universe is Infinite---there is no beginning, there is noend--it goes on forever&there is evidence that the Universe is expanding, so if one were to board a spaceship the second he/she is born and travel from Earth as far as the ship could travel in the person's lifetime(72 years) at the speed of light, the distance traveled would be a mere speck compared to how far the Universe reaches! Staggering, ain't it? In other words, the Universe is one damn big place!

Danm, I won me!! I was going to say that!!

[Shurik]

There is a theory that says if anyone ever fully understands the Universe, it will instantly disappear and be replaced with something even more inexplicable and confusing.

There is another theory that says this has already happened.

- Douglas Adams.

"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Douglas Adams

[htcdude]

I don't get people saying the universe has limits....i mean it has visible limits but that's only cos we don't have the technology to see further, there's always newer things being discovered which makes me think the universe is infinite.

[iron_thunder]

the universe is all in my head.

[browneyedgirl]

Didn't NASA send a probe to Pluto a while ago? Now that is a long way to go!

[Stealth]

The Universe is Infinite---there is no beginning, there is noend--it goes on forever&there is evidence that the Universe is expanding

How can it be infinite and be expanding at the same time? In order for it to expand, first it would have to have a limit. I think that it is expanding, and I think SPACE might be infinite, but not the universe.

[IceBreaker]

So, there´s something other stuff in the Universe than the space, lol...

I´d say it´s too difficult to say has the Universe some kind of limits or is it just infinite. What we know it´s expanding - or is it, if we just got to know the expansion when our technology goes further (like lamb dog said above)?? But I think if there could be limits somewhere, behind the "universe" it must though be nothing... > infinity.

[zeebler]

Infinity and limited - two opposites. This we learned in Philosophy in the universitet. The coincidence of the opposites - but my english isn't so good, because of that I can't explain it (on english) On my language I couldn,t understant that, what remain on Engish
One object in the space appears. From this moment this object has his own time (life). Universe is in the space and she has own life, traversed life. What is her life limit? Man says that she is eternaly, others - she will die some time, but by what way (destroyed or just die).
For the moment exisists three categories "time", "space" and "growth".

What a theme

[Morgana]

I don't understand anything

[Kain´s seventh son]

Ok, Universe was created through a big explosion (or, as it's allso called, a big BANG! ) wich occured through millions different fractions becoming active at the same instant and contacting & reacting with each other...
Now, that we all knew to be a ruling theory...
But, could that "BANG!" ( ) be duplicated? If arranging a total nothingness (wich I think was not that before the explosion, there had to be SOMETHING...) and given the same needsof materials... who knows? What if we create pocket-universes every time we blow something up? And perhaps those Universes are instantly destroyed by our ignorance of the fact... or the influence of the allready existing Universe of ours... or perhaps they start existing in some other "plane" or existance... we never know...

[zeebler]

"What if we create pocket-universes every time we blow something up?"
Hmm, no. Because the necessary material - the "nithing material" - isn't in the places where blowing happen.

Long life for the Universe! )

[htcdude]

Ok, Universe was created through a big explosion (or, as it's allso called, a big BANG! ) wich occured through millions different fractions becoming active at the same instant and contacting & reacting with each other...
Now, that we all knew to be a ruling theory...
But, could that "BANG!" ( ) be duplicated? If arranging a total nothingness (wich I think was not that before the explosion, there had to be SOMETHING...) and given the same needsof materials... who knows? What if we create pocket-universes every time we blow something up? And perhaps those Universes are instantly destroyed by our ignorance of the fact... or the influence of the allready existing Universe of ours... or perhaps they start existing in some other "plane" or existance... we never know...

We had this discussion in another topic, people know my views, the Big Bang did not happen, nothing can't blow up.

[zeebler]

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe#Multiverse :
"Multiverse
There is some speculation that multiple universes exist in a higher-level multiverse (also known as a megaverse), our universe being one of those universes. For example, matter that falls into a black hole in our universe could emerge as a Big Bang, starting another universe. However, all such ideas are currently untestable and cannot be regarded as anything more than speculation. The concept of parallel universes are understood only when related to string theory."

See that pls. This is only theories in the science... for the moment, ofcourse

[htcdude]

Exactly, the only reason these guys start these theories is because they don't want to believe the Bible, so the think up an alternative..of course none of these have ever been prooven, even those who make them up admit this.

[browneyedgirl]

What do you guys think about the Matter&Anti-matter theory? That somewhere in the vast reaches of space there is a world just like ours, but it is Anti-matter. And if we(Matter)met up with anti-matter, we both would destroy one another?
Also, isn't the Fourth Dimension a time concept, as opposed to Third Dimension which is a space concept?

And what about Black Holes in the Universe--has anyone else heard the theory that Heaven&Hell exists within Black Holes?

And, maybe htcdude could answer(maybe not?)Is Heaven another dimension in the Universe, or another separate place altogether meant to be a mystery?

[htcdude]

Well heaven certainly exists outside our universe, i believe. Black Holes, don't they swallow everything up??? Can't see how heaven would be in there, but i believe it's not in our universe.

[htcdude]

OK here's how i see it... i mean in God's place (eternity), time doesn't exist, but in our place, it does, therefore heaven cannot be in 'time'. That's my view.

[Stealth]

the only reason these guys start these theories is because they don't want to believe the Bible, so the think up an alternative

Oooohhhh, here we go again!

What if I say the only reason you live by the Bible is because you don't want to believe in these theories, so you came up with an alternative?? Ever heard of cultural relativism and ethnocentrism?? Your choice of words is so... dogmatic. It's what you believe or nothing... Of course, this is just my culturally relative opinion.

Just accept it, different people have different beliefs! Live with it! If some people (like myself) don't believe in the Bible, it's not because they don't want to, but because they, from their VERY PERSONAL point of view, honestly can't find a reason to believe. If you have reasons to believe, then that's wonderful, I'm not going to tell you that you don't believe in theories because you don't want to; you just happen to interpret the world differently from people who don't believe in the Bible, that's all!

And there's no reason to think that time exists in our place. We make it exist.

@ Kain: Say da da da daa!

[Kain´s seventh son]

@ Kain: Say da da da daa!

Tell me yes, and let's feed the fire

[htcdude]

the only reason these guys start these theories is because they don't want to believe the Bible, so the think up an alternative

Oooohhhh, here we go again!

What if I say the only reason you live by the Bible is because you don't want to believe in these theories, so you came up with an alternative?? Ever heard of cultural relativism and ethnocentrism?? Your choice of words is so... dogmatic. It's what you believe or nothing... Of course, this is just my culturally relative opinion.

Just accept it, different people have different beliefs! Live with it! If some people (like myself) don't believe in the Bible, it's not because they don't want to, but because they, from their VERY PERSONAL point of view, honestly can't find a reason to believe. If you have reasons to believe, then that's wonderful, I'm not going to tell you that you don't believe in theories because you don't want to; you just happen to interpret the world differently from people who don't believe in the Bible, that's all!

And there's no reason to think that time exists in our place. We make it exist.

@ Kain: Say da da da daa!

Dude i accept people have different beliefs, i can't change that and i dont doubt it, it's just the Bible seems the only logical reason for the explanation for everything, it's the only one that has a decent amount of proof that it's true. And yes i admit it's what i believe or nothing, because i feel so strongly that everything else is complete nonsense.

[zeebler]

The Holy Bible is created with dogmys (is that the word). The world is created... The sciense and logical thinking are throw off; the people must leave in poorness, because they will go in heaven after death... That's the Christienity.
with the Great geographical discovery the people and with the Industrial revolution start to think, start to realize themselfs like personalities! The Bibble i no more... Many species are found - the interest is more than ever. The sciense succeed to establish. The people wants to know, to travel, to research, TO BE.

And about the Heaven and Hell - here we are - on the Earth, in this universe. When we succeed to remove the "negatives" from us (this is another very long theme to discuss ), we will upgrade ourselfs in the hierarchy in the world. By this theory exists another creatures in the other paralel world (some people can see them, but its dangerous, if you can't defend from them - but they can't hit you, only scare... - like "the story for the brave warrior" - it is on BG "Историята за смелия войник"). The planets are commanded by astral creatures (the Archangels). The magition can summon them to make him a favour - like rain (but it cost more than hour summoning, but if the rain is urgent - this is a small effort).
That's another theory for our simple world )

[NeonVomit]

We had this discussion in another topic, people know my views, the Big Bang did not happen, nothing can't blow up.

Do you believe that the earth was created 6000 years ago in the space of 7 days?

[htcdude]

Yep i do. Why do you ask that?

[NeonVomit]

Exactly, the only reason these guys start these theories is because they don't want to believe the Bible, so the think up an alternative..of course none of these have ever been prooven, even those who make them up admit this.

That is extremely closed minded. They didn't make up theories because they didn't want to believe in the bible. They came up with these ways of how the universe works because they were not convinced by what was written in the bible. And to be fair, the bible is hardy scientifically accurate.

And there is an awful lot more proof for the First Law of Thermodynamics than there is for Noah's Ark. Anyone who believes that the story of Noah actually took place as described in the bible is willfully ignorant and blind.