OK.. so I got your attention

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6610125.stmThe scientists suggest forecasts from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) may be too cautious.
Even has some charts and stuff.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6610125.stmThe scientists suggest forecasts from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) may be too cautious.
Well, figured I might as well get that out of the waymiditek wrote:I can't believe all of you have fallen for the left wing Marxist conspiracy to destroy the economy of the USA. How can you all be so blind as to not see this is a liberal plot? It's so depressing to see all of you buying this leftist propaganda hook, line and sinker.
So the rules of the New (environmental) Order applies only to the US, and as I said before (quote that one as well, next time), that China and India get a pass?NeonVomit wrote:Well, figured I might as well get that out of the waymiditek wrote:I can't believe all of you have fallen for the left wing Marxist conspiracy to destroy the economy of the USA. How can you all be so blind as to not see this is a liberal plot? It's so depressing to see all of you buying this leftist propaganda hook, line and sinker.
Noone said anything about China and India getting a pass. But USA have the means technology and money to do more for the environment! So does the rest of the developed world. The all-round showing from every rich nation is quite appalling really.miditek wrote:So the rules of the New (environmental) Order applies only to the US, and as I said before (quote that one as well, next time), that China and India get a pass?NeonVomit wrote:Well, figured I might as well get that out of the waymiditek wrote:I can't believe all of you have fallen for the left wing Marxist conspiracy to destroy the economy of the USA. How can you all be so blind as to not see this is a liberal plot? It's so depressing to see all of you buying this leftist propaganda hook, line and sinker.
Yes, thats right. Instead of political issue, Global Warming&climate change should be a human/people issue. Its going to affect everyone regardless of political side.Carcass wrote:It's a sorry fact that this issue has gotten so politicised in US.
Absolutely, BEG, absolutely. Why don't people understand that this is not a political issue?browneyedgirl wrote:Yes, thats right. Instead of political issue, Global Warming&climate change should be a human/people issue. Its going to affect everyone regardless of political side.Carcass wrote:It's a sorry fact that this issue has gotten so politicised in US.
Cuz there's a TON of money involved... therefore lobbying, therefore political.stratohawk wrote:Absolutely, BEG, absolutely. Why don't people understand that this is not a political issue?browneyedgirl wrote:Yes, thats right. Instead of political issue, Global Warming&climate change should be a human/people issue. Its going to affect everyone regardless of political side.Carcass wrote:It's a sorry fact that this issue has gotten so politicised in US.
People will care. Everything will be changed in the next 50 years.Me, My Enemy wrote:I think the problem is, that most of the people (I just can talk about the people I know, and I asked about this topic, and about the things they said and do) just don't WANT to believe that there's a problem at all, everyone just says: swindle etc politicians just want to make some people listen to them...öhm WTF and scientists? What about them? They just tell bullshit to make people listening? öhm alright...
another problem is that people are informed and well sometimes even believe it but just don't care...they just don't care...I mean...you can't care everywhere I think, especially if you see that your attempts all fail and your efforts are in vain,but ingeneral, it doesn't do you that much harm to leave the car at home or turn down the heater a bit in winter and use more clothes instead or something but well...it's easier to not think about anything -.-
After I watched this Al Gore film I tried to discuss with some people I knew but I didn't do any progress...we also watched that film at school but there were some classmates who told me they SLEPT during that film and it was just boring and...hm yes. That's how this thing is headed -.-
Maybe we deserve to die out
I know a sarcastic joke:
There are two planets meeting. One doesn't look healthy. The other one asks: "Oh, what's the matter? You don't seem to feel good" The first one replies: "I've got mankind" "Oh, you're poor. I had them, too, but, don't worry, this passes by"
I hope we do before then, this world is our heaven and we are turning it into a hell. We only have one home(so far, yup i'm a trekky fanTimoTolkki wrote:
People will care. Everything will be changed in the next 50 years.
I meant that they will care when we will get a celestial kick on our asses by Mother Nature. Until that it´s gonna be just bullshit and peanuts and countries&companies caring about their own interests and squeezing the last penny while the masses believe what is fed to them about that "it´s not so bad". It is. Very. Bad.dirge wrote:I hope we do before then, this world is our heaven and we are turning it into a hell. We only have one home(so far, yup i'm a trekky fanTimoTolkki wrote:
People will care. Everything will be changed in the next 50 years.) and we aren't treating it like home.
Sadly that's how humanity works... look at 1938... "Oh its not so bad, in fact he made a marvelous job with the economy"...TimoTolkki wrote:I meant that they will care when we will get a celestial kick on our asses by Mother Nature. Until that it´s gonna be just bullshit and peanuts and countries&companies caring about their own interests and squeezing the last penny while the masses believe what is fed to them about that "it´s not so bad". It is. Very. Bad.dirge wrote:I hope we do before then, this world is our heaven and we are turning it into a hell. We only have one home(so far, yup i'm a trekky fanTimoTolkki wrote:
People will care. Everything will be changed in the next 50 years.) and we aren't treating it like home.
http://vathena.arc.nasa.gov/curric/land ... mchng.htmlSummary Comments
Global temperature correlates with the concentration of greenhouse gases. Both have increased during the 150 years or so that humans have been putting these gases into the atmosphere. However, both temperature and gas concentration have fluctuated together for thousands of years, before humans could have had much effect. Humans may be causing the present rise in temperature, but not all temperature changes are caused by human activity.
USA is by far the biggest producer of greenhouse emissions and there is evidence that the Bush government has threatened scientists to change their statements and that they have been falsified. All this to create confusion. Plus your links are badly outdated. They are from 1995-1997.black death wrote:I've also heard some world-acclaimed scientists saying that many people are too conceited...that mankind really can cause such a huge changes on this planet.
People do many bad things to the nature and to the Earth generally, it's without doubt. But are we really able to affect the climate so essentionally?? A lot of what is being said in the media or by politicians is just populism. I'm not saying that it's not true, but before I start to believe something, I want to see some evidence for that. And most of these things are just hypotheses. Nobody knows it now. We'll find out some day...
http://vathena.arc.nasa.gov/curric/land ... mchng.htmlSummary Comments
Global temperature correlates with the concentration of greenhouse gases. Both have increased during the 150 years or so that humans have been putting these gases into the atmosphere. However, both temperature and gas concentration have fluctuated together for thousands of years, before humans could have had much effect. Humans may be causing the present rise in temperature, but not all temperature changes are caused by human activity.
http://vathena.arc.nasa.gov/curric/land ... enhou.html
EVEN IF Al Gore would now be a running mate and take part in the government...it wouldn't change anything anymore, because I think as TT does, that it's just to late. I don't think that all the people in the world would change there behaviour to 0,0 emissions/person, because so many of them don't get the point, most of all people don't get the point it seems and EVEN IF some of them know but just don't care and as TT said EVEN IF they cared it would be late anyway, so there's to much even if for this world to be "rescued"BEG wrote
Hillary is going to be nominated by the Democratic convention(hope)and she will(maybe)choose Al Gore to be her running mate. Then, if elected, make USA&the whole world a somewhat better place. Not perfect. Theres no such thing this side of Heaven. But, there will be good things coming. Just be patient.
miditek wrote:So the rules of the New (environmental) Order applies only to the US, and as I said before (quote that one as well, next time), that China and India get a pass?NeonVomit wrote:Well, figured I might as well get that out of the waymiditek wrote:I can't believe all of you have fallen for the left wing Marxist conspiracy to destroy the economy of the USA. How can you all be so blind as to not see this is a liberal plot? It's so depressing to see all of you buying this leftist propaganda hook, line and sinker.
Hillary is Gore's least likely running mate if he runs.browneyedgirl wrote:Hillary is going to be nominated by the Democratic convention(hope)and she will(maybe)choose Al Gore to be her running mate. Then, if elected, make USA&the whole world a somewhat better place. Not perfect. Theres no such thing this side of Heaven. But, there will be good things coming. Just be patient.
Gore will never be the president of USA. He won the elections but the powers that be (the real powers) arranged that Puppet Bush has to win.Rebel wrote:Hillary is Gore's least likely running mate if he runs.browneyedgirl wrote:Hillary is going to be nominated by the Democratic convention(hope)and she will(maybe)choose Al Gore to be her running mate. Then, if elected, make USA&the whole world a somewhat better place. Not perfect. Theres no such thing this side of Heaven. But, there will be good things coming. Just be patient.
And Al Gore has already been VP for 8 years, if he wanted, he could announce and win every primary and the election without a problem.
Here are the Gore tickets I see possible.
Most likely: Gore/Edwards.
Very likely: Gore/Obama
Not as likely: Edwards/Gore
Not going to happen: Obama/Gore, Hillary/Gore.
I don´t know what is "CT doctrines", I am using my own theories. This invisible power regime is very old. And it is very powerful.browneyedgirl wrote:TT, I thought you were way too intelligent to be gullible to the CT doctrines&BS they spew across the 'net&media!
I guess you think Paul Wellstone&JFK,Jr. were murdered by the powers at large, too?
@Rebel, Gore&Obama sound promising, but I'm still hoping Hilary gets the
nomination.
interesting movie (although a bit long and perhaps a little high on paranoia):TimoTolkki wrote:This invisible power regime is very old. And it is very powerful.
Yes, you're right. And USA are absolutely the biggest producer of those emissions who did NOT sign the Kyoto Protocol. Of course there's lot of evidence related to the harmful emissions and I don't question THIS.TimoTolkki wrote:USA is by far the biggest producer of greenhouse emissions and there is evidence that the Bush government has threatened scientists to change their statements and that they have been falsified. All this to create confusion. Plus your links are badly outdated. They are from 1995-1997.
I think you really have to be blind not to see the change and to understand that 6 billion people and their energy consumption etc. is way beyond the earth can handle. In 35 years the estimated population is 9 billion. It´s just so sad..so very sad. Because it is too late. We are pass the turning point. Even if we would today stop ALL the greenhouse emissions, it would take 25 years before the atmosphere would be close to ACCEPTABLE level of them.
There is nothing mystical about global warming, it´s basics are really easy to understand. There is plenty of information about that.