Finland School Shooting
- browneyedgirl
- Sr. Member
- Posts:27239
- Joined:Thu Aug 29, 2002 6:00 pm
- Location:Starfall
- Contact:
"Your life is yours, and yours alone. Rise up and live it!"
Bob: I don't believe in God.
Archangel Michael: That's OK, Bob, because He doesn't believe in you, either!~Legion~
Bob: I don't believe in God.
Archangel Michael: That's OK, Bob, because He doesn't believe in you, either!~Legion~
-
- Sr. Member
- Posts:403
- Joined:Sat Feb 19, 2005 2:25 am
- Location:Lima, Peru
Re: Finland School Shooting
I'm really surprised that something like that had happened in Finland.
It's said that the shooter survived his attemp of suicide, did he tell why did he do this?
It's said that the shooter survived his attemp of suicide, did he tell why did he do this?
Drugs aren’t metal. Beer, however, can be served in all kinds of true metal ways.
Re: Finland School Shooting
Yes this is terrible
Re: Finland School Shooting
I was here couple of times since the shooting, but couldn't come up with something not too corny... I still can't.
What adds to the shock is that Finns like to think of their country as a bird's nest where these things simply do not happen.
I'm not sure about the condition of the shooter, but if he has been questioned already, the police have not published anything yet. But I seriously doubt that he had a clear motive. Simply put, he's mental.
What adds to the shock is that Finns like to think of their country as a bird's nest where these things simply do not happen.
I'm not sure about the condition of the shooter, but if he has been questioned already, the police have not published anything yet. But I seriously doubt that he had a clear motive. Simply put, he's mental.
- black death
- Sr. Member
- Posts:1548
- Joined:Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:14 am
- Location:Czech Republic
Re: Finland School Shooting
I thought this is happening only in US
Re: Finland School Shooting
...and Canada. To my knowledge Germany and Finland are the only European countries where this has happened.
Re: Finland School Shooting
My sympathy and prayers go out to all of the families that were affected by this tragedy. This is awful.
Κύριε ἐλέησον
- black death
- Sr. Member
- Posts:1548
- Joined:Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:14 am
- Location:Czech Republic
Re: Finland School Shooting
...haha...at MY high school, there was a guy who took the IMITATION of a gun to school and presented it at a woman teacher...and fired (with some small plastic bullet)...she was a bit labile so she got really scared and frightened and finally left the schoolCarcass wrote:...and Canada. To my knowledge Germany and Finland are the only European countries where this has happened.
-
- Sr. Member
- Posts:4718
- Joined:Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:37 pm
- Location:Somewhere out from Strato-forum (=Etelä-Kymenlaakso)
Re: Finland School Shooting
TV news said the shooter is in a critical condition after shooting himself head.Carcass wrote:I'm not sure about the condition of the shooter, but if he has been questioned already, the police have not published anything yet. But I seriously doubt that he had a clear motive. Simply put, he's mental.
"I shall seize Fate by the throat; it shall certainly not bend and crush me completely"
Re: Finland School Shooting
The shooter shot himself to head and is in a critical condition , the doctors say that he will not survive .
5 boys and 2 girls died and a principal of that school .
5 boys and 2 girls died and a principal of that school .
- Mormegil
- Sr. Member
- Posts:4327
- Joined:Fri Apr 25, 2003 2:31 pm
- Location:United States of Europe, FI, Pori
- Contact:
Re: Finland School Shooting
Really shocking, especially since I know a guy who lives in that town and some of his friends had been there when that happened... This is what loneliness does to people.
- Mormegil
- Sr. Member
- Posts:4327
- Joined:Fri Apr 25, 2003 2:31 pm
- Location:United States of Europe, FI, Pori
- Contact:
Re: Finland School Shooting
He told it - Even before he executed his plan.Dawn_is_Here wrote:It's said that the shooter survived his attemp of suicide, did he tell why did he do this?
Here's what he wrote on his IRC-blog:
http://lobster.avenla.fi/ig-paivakirja.png
It's in Finnish and quite long, so I really don't have time to translate it right now, but the ending goes:
"HUMANITY IS OVERRATED! It's time to put NATURAL SELECTION & SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST back to rail!"
- exe knight
- Sr. Member
- Posts:2551
- Joined:Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:04 pm
- Location:the whitefish river (siikajoki)
Re: Finland School Shooting
We've talked alot of this on the Nintendo.fi forums.
We had really complicated discussions, I'm on my own kind of side, I'm trying to state how every human is as evil and how something bad must have happened to him too and that he had actually somekind of ideology, really evil indeed, but it's better than doing the same for no reason. But there is always reason and ansver for everything.
But I'll say no more, my head hurts already.
except I'll tell you this:
Ignorance is the source of all evil.
and
Forgiveness is the key.
We had really complicated discussions, I'm on my own kind of side, I'm trying to state how every human is as evil and how something bad must have happened to him too and that he had actually somekind of ideology, really evil indeed, but it's better than doing the same for no reason. But there is always reason and ansver for everything.
But I'll say no more, my head hurts already.
except I'll tell you this:
Ignorance is the source of all evil.
and
Forgiveness is the key.
-
- Sr. Member
- Posts:4718
- Joined:Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:37 pm
- Location:Somewhere out from Strato-forum (=Etelä-Kymenlaakso)
Re: Finland School Shooting
The shooter died tonight at 22:15 o´clock.
"I shall seize Fate by the throat; it shall certainly not bend and crush me completely"
- StratoTimo
- Sr. Member
- Posts:6657
- Joined:Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:18 pm
- Location:Suomen Chicago...Lahti!
- Contact:
Re: Finland School Shooting
he says that he is good shooter but why he can't kill him self?IceBreaker wrote:The shooter died tonight at 22:15 o´clock.
Meikä Ankka
- exe knight
- Sr. Member
- Posts:2551
- Joined:Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:04 pm
- Location:the whitefish river (siikajoki)
Re: Finland School Shooting
When you try to kill yourself you don't have FP kuvakulmaa and you just need to shoot off half blindly, unless you're ace at using mirrors.StratoTimo wrote:he says that he is good shooter but why he can't kill him self?IceBreaker wrote:The shooter died tonight at 22:15 o´clock.
Re: Finland School Shooting
It's FP angle, I believe.exe knight wrote:FP kuvakulmaa
- StratoTimo
- Sr. Member
- Posts:6657
- Joined:Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:18 pm
- Location:Suomen Chicago...Lahti!
- Contact:
Re: Finland School Shooting
Yes but if you shoot to your mouth... You kill your selfexe knight wrote:When you try to kill yourself you don't have FP kuvakulmaa and you just need to shoot off half blindly, unless you're ace at using mirrors.StratoTimo wrote:he says that he is good shooter but why he can't kill him self?IceBreaker wrote:The shooter died tonight at 22:15 o´clock.
Meikä Ankka
- Damien Thorn
- Sr. Member
- Posts:548
- Joined:Mon May 26, 2003 12:40 pm
- Location:South of Heaven...
Re: Finland School Shooting
Absolutely horrible news...
... and I was totally flabbergasted about this...
... until I heard Finland is the third country in the world rankings of gun possession per capita, right after the USA and Yemen...
Draw your own conclusions, I'd say.
Damien
... and I was totally flabbergasted about this...
... until I heard Finland is the third country in the world rankings of gun possession per capita, right after the USA and Yemen...
Draw your own conclusions, I'd say.
Damien
Trite
Rhetorical
Cliched
Inane
Rhetorical
Cliched
Inane
- Just a Vampire
- Sr. Member
- Posts:536
- Joined:Sun Feb 27, 2005 11:52 pm
- Location:Colombia
Re: Finland School Shooting
completelly shocking.
I would expect that form any other country but Finland???
it's a horrible new, definitively there are young kids with serious problems everywhere.
Peace for the students and the teacher that died.
I would expect that form any other country but Finland???
it's a horrible new, definitively there are young kids with serious problems everywhere.
Peace for the students and the teacher that died.
"now he knows his father betrays
now his wings turns to ashes to ashes his grave"
Iron Maiden: Fligth of Icarus
now his wings turns to ashes to ashes his grave"
Iron Maiden: Fligth of Icarus
Re: Finland School Shooting
True, but I think they are mostly for hunting, not ideal for killing people. And the gun used in the school massacre was a .22 calibre pistol. He couldn't get the permission for a bigger gun.Damien Thorn wrote:Absolutely horrible news...
... and I was totally flabbergasted about this...
... until I heard Finland is the third country in the world rankings of gun possession per capita, right after the USA and Yemen...
Draw your own conclusions, I'd say.
Damien
I don't know much about these issues, they are rarely debated in the media, since crime and violence are not mega big problems over here. There certainly will be a debate now, I'll keep my eyes and ears open
-
- Sr. Member
- Posts:1082
- Joined:Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:56 am
- Location:Hungary,Tatabanya
- Contact:
Re: Finland School Shooting
This is very terrible and sad. But not only in Finland but happened in America recently.
This child was an idiotic animal. This opinion of mine: I am glad that he dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry that I'm so evil.
This child was an idiotic animal. This opinion of mine: I am glad that he dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry that I'm so evil.
- exe knight
- Sr. Member
- Posts:2551
- Joined:Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:04 pm
- Location:the whitefish river (siikajoki)
Re: Finland School Shooting
Well but it's also possible that he wasn't going to kill himself, or he didn't have time to think where to shoot.StratoTimo wrote:Yes but if you shoot to your mouth... You kill your selfexe knight wrote:When you try to kill yourself you don't have FP kuvakulmaa and you just need to shoot off half blindly, unless you're ace at using mirrors.StratoTimo wrote:he says that he is good shooter but why he can't kill him self?IceBreaker wrote:The shooter died tonight at 22:15 o´clock.
- Me, My Enemy
- Sr. Member
- Posts:721
- Joined:Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:34 pm
- Location:The Edge of Darkness
Re: Finland School Shooting
Well... I think...you can't just blame him, even though the reason can't justify what he's done you have to look at the reason and also think of it...and need to think if there aren't some other people to blame as well. In most of the cases murder and crime aren't the fault of one single person. I think most times society is very responsible.finnlandia wrote:
This is very terrible and sad. But not only in Finland but happened in America recently.
This child was an idiotic animal. This opinion of mine: I am glad that he dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry that I'm so evil.
As exe knight says...
I agree with that but would maybe say: ignorance is one source of evil. The unfair or selfish behaviour of people and also other absence of well...fairness and harmony between the people.exe knight wrote:
Ignorance is the source of all evil.
Doesn't make it less a crime though, but I think it's kind of silly to point at one man, shout: "look what he's done" and never look at oneself and the company one keeps.
Like a glacier melting
watch me dissipate
I looked for love in an empty world
but all I found was hate
watch me dissipate
I looked for love in an empty world
but all I found was hate
Re: Finland School Shooting
I've been a bit cut off from the outside world for the last week and I just caught wind of this now, I straight away came and logged in to make sure everyone was ok.
Terrible tragedy
It is shocking, but Finns seem to be very disciplined with firearms. Yes, a very high rate of gun ownership but a low crime rate. But Finland is not a utopia, and people do get upset.
With this incident I'm pretty sure gun laws will become tighter. This person obviously had mental problems and needed help, and he should not have been allowed to come into possession of firearms.
But then again who is there to blame.
My thoughts are with the families of the victims. And again, I hope everyone here is okay.
Terrible tragedy
It is shocking, but Finns seem to be very disciplined with firearms. Yes, a very high rate of gun ownership but a low crime rate. But Finland is not a utopia, and people do get upset.
With this incident I'm pretty sure gun laws will become tighter. This person obviously had mental problems and needed help, and he should not have been allowed to come into possession of firearms.
But then again who is there to blame.
My thoughts are with the families of the victims. And again, I hope everyone here is okay.
"Beneath the freezing sky arrives Winter's Verge..."
http://www.wintersverge.com
I'm going to hell, and loving the ride!
http://www.wintersverge.com
I'm going to hell, and loving the ride!
- stratoplayer
- Sr. Member
- Posts:2598
- Joined:Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:05 pm
- Location:Monterrey, Mexico
Re: Finland School Shooting
Close your eyes and try to remember, destroyed lullabies of days gone by
Close your eyes on the edge of forever, a chance to dream fast asleep your nightmare ends
Close your eyes on the edge of forever, a chance to dream fast asleep your nightmare ends
- browneyedgirl
- Sr. Member
- Posts:27239
- Joined:Thu Aug 29, 2002 6:00 pm
- Location:Starfall
- Contact:
Re: Finland School Shooting
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21755646
So, history repeats itself. When are we going to learn. He was bullied. These days using another human being as a verbal punching bag is a death wish, especially if the person is already mentally unstable. The question is obvious---how long can a troubled person get bullied before he/she cracks&does something stupid?
It used to be people who were constantly picked on either ignored the taunts(and went home&took it out on their family), fought the smartasses provoking them, or just learned to live with being singled out as an outcast, realizing everybody does have their day. These days people singled out are not taking the Bullshit anymore. It's the signs of the times. You pick on someone at your own risk. Its bad enough to be picked on for no reason if you are sane, but if the person involved is alittle wacko to begin with, hey, you get what you order! You are adding fuel to the fire in aggrevating an unstable person, to say the least!
What that shooter did was horrible&there is absolutely no excuse for his actions. OTOH, can anyone say he was not provoked? Like I say, its the signs of the times.
I was more or less a geeky outcast in High School, and had my share of verbal confrontations&catfights, but instead of shooting people I went home and had a box of chocolate chip cookies, a few brews from my Dad's stash, or looked up Jim Bob and had a fling to restore my broken self-esteem. Also, I had enough sense to realize there was life after High School&that these smartasses would not always be so cool, in 10 years or so they'd probably have THEIR share of unhappiness to deal with.
The point is, an unstable person(like these school shooters)cannot see the reality of tomorrow. All they know is their pain&ending what is seemingly causing that pain. Once again, this does NOT excuse what they do&they should be dealt with the fullest harsh penalty of the law.
I also have to wonder about this shooters parents&if they saw the signs that their son was troubled?
As a parent, I could always tell if my son was depressed, or if something was bothering him. There are signs each child expreses&parents learn to see those litle cues/clues. And, my parents always knew my little clues. Parents can be annoyingly psychic sometimes. Thank God!
These incidents are horribly tragic, and in many ways, in hindsight, somewhat preventable.
So, history repeats itself. When are we going to learn. He was bullied. These days using another human being as a verbal punching bag is a death wish, especially if the person is already mentally unstable. The question is obvious---how long can a troubled person get bullied before he/she cracks&does something stupid?
It used to be people who were constantly picked on either ignored the taunts(and went home&took it out on their family), fought the smartasses provoking them, or just learned to live with being singled out as an outcast, realizing everybody does have their day. These days people singled out are not taking the Bullshit anymore. It's the signs of the times. You pick on someone at your own risk. Its bad enough to be picked on for no reason if you are sane, but if the person involved is alittle wacko to begin with, hey, you get what you order! You are adding fuel to the fire in aggrevating an unstable person, to say the least!
What that shooter did was horrible&there is absolutely no excuse for his actions. OTOH, can anyone say he was not provoked? Like I say, its the signs of the times.
I was more or less a geeky outcast in High School, and had my share of verbal confrontations&catfights, but instead of shooting people I went home and had a box of chocolate chip cookies, a few brews from my Dad's stash, or looked up Jim Bob and had a fling to restore my broken self-esteem. Also, I had enough sense to realize there was life after High School&that these smartasses would not always be so cool, in 10 years or so they'd probably have THEIR share of unhappiness to deal with.
The point is, an unstable person(like these school shooters)cannot see the reality of tomorrow. All they know is their pain&ending what is seemingly causing that pain. Once again, this does NOT excuse what they do&they should be dealt with the fullest harsh penalty of the law.
I also have to wonder about this shooters parents&if they saw the signs that their son was troubled?
As a parent, I could always tell if my son was depressed, or if something was bothering him. There are signs each child expreses&parents learn to see those litle cues/clues. And, my parents always knew my little clues. Parents can be annoyingly psychic sometimes. Thank God!
These incidents are horribly tragic, and in many ways, in hindsight, somewhat preventable.
"Your life is yours, and yours alone. Rise up and live it!"
Bob: I don't believe in God.
Archangel Michael: That's OK, Bob, because He doesn't believe in you, either!~Legion~
Bob: I don't believe in God.
Archangel Michael: That's OK, Bob, because He doesn't believe in you, either!~Legion~
- stratohawk
- Sr. Member
- Posts:3067
- Joined:Thu Jan 09, 2003 5:35 pm
- Location:Germany
Re: Finland School Shooting
These are horrible news and is a terrible tragedy, but somehow such news don't suprise me anymore. I guess this is a bad sign for the state our societies are in.
<<check out http://www.myspace.com/myaversion1 >>
- browneyedgirl
- Sr. Member
- Posts:27239
- Joined:Thu Aug 29, 2002 6:00 pm
- Location:Starfall
- Contact:
Re: Finland School Shooting
@stratohawk, here is something that happened in your neck of the woods. It is apparent that there are many troubled teens in the world. So sad, because those years are ideally the happiest&most carefree times of life. Its a reflection of society and its expectations of human beings, and the times we are living in, IMO.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/11 ... index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/11 ... index.html
"Your life is yours, and yours alone. Rise up and live it!"
Bob: I don't believe in God.
Archangel Michael: That's OK, Bob, because He doesn't believe in you, either!~Legion~
Bob: I don't believe in God.
Archangel Michael: That's OK, Bob, because He doesn't believe in you, either!~Legion~
Re: Finland School Shooting
Looks like this kind of events is becoming some sort of a fashion for outsider kids in schools all over the western world. I guess, partly it generates itself over and over because of the media-echo. However, IMO it's the increasing toughness of our societies, the need to compete against each other and the uncertainty about your social status that makes these kids get to that point of aggressive desperation. Maybe we really have to think over the structure of society and economy.
Life can only be understood in reverse
But must be lived forwards...
I'm losing my senses, I'm losing my senses
D. Mustaine
But must be lived forwards...
I'm losing my senses, I'm losing my senses
D. Mustaine