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HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:57 pm
by Ragehead91
TONY IOMMI Says HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing Some OZZY-Era SABBATH Material - Aug. 26, 2009
Jed Gottlieb of BostonHerald.com recently conducted an interview with legendary heavy metal guitarist Tony Iommi (BLACK SABBATH, HEAVEN & HELL). A few excerpts from the chat follow below.

On his riff-writing ability:

"I stockpile them [riffs] at home. I've got a hundred of them stashed away, but I never go back to them. Every time I go to write an album, they come more fast and furious then before."

On his love for volume:

"From day one, we were always louder than anyone. We certainly made sure no one could talk in our shows."

On BLACK SABBATH's early days:

"We were always asked to turn it down. They'd tell us to turn it down or they wouldn't book us again. And unfortunately even now, and this is a sign of the times, there's a lot of restrictions on the sound. In Europe, we'd play 50,000-, 60,000-people festivals and we'd go out there and there would be somebody with a meter saying, 'You can't play any louder than this.' At one show in Bond, the limit was so low that I actually used only two (amplifier) cabinets of my eight. Bloody hell, I haven't used two cabinets since maybe the '60s."

On the Dio-era BLACK SABBATH:

"A lot of bands, like METALLICA and FOO FIGHTERS, really relate to those Dio albums. I think Dave Grohl has said one of his favorite albums is (1981 Dio SABBATH album) 'Mob Rules'. A generation of bands like that have taken to this stuff, and it's trickled down to the fans."

On performing only Dio-era SABBATH songs as HEAVEN & HELL:

"We love 'War Pigs' and 'Iron Man' and 'Paranoid', but we've played those for 40 years so it's been a nice change. Maybe next year we'll do some of the old stuff."

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:57 am
by hiro23
It's just like I said before, because of recent events with OZZY they should just call themselves Black Sabbath again and continue on with the Dio line up.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:16 pm
by Ragehead91
Someone will be very pissed of about this XD

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:59 am
by hiro23
Someone lost his right to be pissed off when he sued his former friends. LOL

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:55 pm
by Ragehead91
But I guess someone's wife will be more pissed off.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:26 pm
by Star_Ocean
Dio has amazing vocal talent that has been used in great songs.

Ozzy has no vocal talent that has been used in great songs.

If Dio came along before Ozzy, and Dio left Sabbath, Ozzy wouldn't have even been considered for the job. Ever.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:46 pm
by Ragehead91
Pretty much the only reason why Ozzy had such a succesful carrere is because he had other very talented people writing songs for him.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:16 pm
by hiro23
Tony Iommi has said in countless interviews how Ozzy would only write lyrics that would match the beat he heard whereas Dio he has said writes lyrics that compliment the music rather then match the beat.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:53 pm
by Ragehead91
Fuck Ozzy now. He's just a money puppet for Sharon. His last two albums were utter shit written by pop writers and Dave Grohl. He's never wrote anything and just had the good fortune of having a unique sounding voice and all the right contacts. People should be celebrating Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler, Bob Daisley, Rudy Sarzo, Randy Rhoads, Jake E. Lee, Zakk Wylde, and all the other people Ozzy has fucked over for his millions. His legacy was once gold but as soon as the facts come to the surface...Ozzy is a hack with incredible luck. A unique sounding hack on some of the best written albums of all time, but the credit should go to those that deserve it. Ozzy used to mean something. He now means nothing. He's simply famous for being famous. Overexposed. A cash cow for a cash cow.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:34 am
by hiro23
Ragehead91 wrote:Fuck Ozzy now. He's just a money puppet for Sharon. His last two albums were utter shit written by pop writers and Dave Grohl. He's never wrote anything and just had the good fortune of having a unique sounding voice and all the right contacts. People should be celebrating Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler, Bob Daisley, Rudy Sarzo, Randy Rhoads, Jake E. Lee, Zakk Wylde, and all the other people Ozzy has fucked over for his millions. His legacy was once gold but as soon as the facts come to the surface...Ozzy is a hack with incredible luck. A unique sounding hack on some of the best written albums of all time, but the credit should go to those that deserve it. Ozzy used to mean something. He now means nothing. He's simply famous for being famous. Overexposed. A cash cow for a cash cow.
Don't know if I would quite put it that way but yes that does seem to be the case

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:15 am
by icecab21
If people like what the pop writers are writing, that makes them successful songwriters, not shitty ones. If the goal is to hit a target, and you hit it, you win, you don't lose.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:24 am
by hiro23
We aren't talking about Ozzy's success, yes he is very successful, however he's only successful because of the many people that put him there, he didn't rely on his own talent to get there.

In Sabbath he relied on Iommi,Butler and Ward for the songwriting, in his solo career he's relied on all the other musicians for the songwriting, we aren't saying this doesn't make him successful we are merely saying this makes him mooch off other people's talents.

Yes he does have a very unique voice however I think that's the only talent he has going for him.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:42 am
by icecab21
I was talking about rage head calling the albums shitty. They can be shitty to ragehead, but that's about it since a lot of people like them and they certainly were successful too much of the world in many ways.

I would say there is some give and take here. Sabbath is most successful with ozzy. No one gets anywhere without other people. There is absolutely nothing wrong about writing songs with others. Ozzys tone is a huge part of the whole that got Sabbath recognized. Part of a songwriter’s job is to find a singer who they think suits their material or to write material they think suits a singer. The songs can be more or less successful depending on whom they pick but ozzy’s ability to make songs successful is something I consider a talent. Delivering a song to an audience is a singers job, I consider him as doing a find job at it.

If the issue is about ozzy giving more credit to those around him, then yes that’s something for him to do. I don’t really consider songwriting to be much of a factor of credibility in performance since most bands have one or two songwriters and it would make everyone else somehow less of a band member if it was all about songwriting,

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:40 am
by hiro23
As I said I wouldn't word it the way Ragehead did but it does seem lately Ozzy hasn't been very grateful to the people who helped get him to where he is now.

As I said Ozzy does have a distinct voice and yes that is a talent however it's also good to acknowledge the talents of those who helped you get there as well, and with suing black sabbath and kicking out Zakk Wylde it doesn't seem as if he's doing that.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:12 pm
by Ragehead91
hiro23 wrote:As I said I wouldn't word it the way Ragehead did but it does seem lately Ozzy hasn't been very grateful to the people who helped get him to where he is now.
Ozzy never was.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:14 pm
by Ragehead91
icecab21 wrote:I would say there is some give and take here. Sabbath is most successful with ozzy. No one gets anywhere without other people. There is absolutely nothing wrong about writing songs with others. Ozzys tone is a huge part of the whole that got Sabbath recognized. Part of a songwriter’s job is to find a singer who they think suits their material or to write material they think suits a singer. The songs can be more or less successful depending on whom they pick but ozzy’s ability to make songs successful is something I consider a talent. Delivering a song to an audience is a singers job, I consider him as doing a find job at it.
If Dio was the first Sabbath singer and left the Band in 1979 Tony never would've hierd Ozzy as a replacement.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:35 pm
by icecab21
Sabbath would not have become Sabbath with Dio so it’s a useless argument. We can't just do this what ifs in history as if we can just replace one factor and think everything else would turn out the same. Life is a sequence of events, fucking with time is not a reasonable point. All success is a mixture of right time right place. I think its more fair to say that a band would not replace a dio with a ozzy than it is to say if a band started with one instead of the other that some certain thing would happen.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:42 pm
by Ragehead91
Well, how do you know? How can you say that Sabbath wouldn't have become Sabbath with Dio? I think they would've been way more succesful with Dio than they were with Ozzy.

But anyway, to me Ozzy is just a extremly lucky hack with a medicore yet unique voice that only had succes because he all the right contacts and very talented people writing his stuff for him. I'd take the Live Evil Versions of the Ozzy Songs over the original any day.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:05 pm
by icecab21
Back to the future...
You can have the entire fantasy scenario you want, but the hypothetical’s are really a joke as far as logic and time go as far as I know. How is it that this group is supposed to acquire dio? How is it that they are to somehow make all the same songs they did with ozzy? How it is that butler somehow goes to see black Sabbath the movie and the group decides to change its name and music direction? how can would we know that some other set of songs would have made a certain impact? I don't think we can magically pop people in other people’s places in history.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:22 pm
by hiro23
As far as predicting what could have happened in the past and the future I don't think we can do that however what it does not change is the fact that Ozzy has been alienating a lot of his old friends.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:32 pm
by Ragehead91
Ozzy Osbourn is, was and will always be a very lucky hack with a medicore yet unique voice.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:07 pm
by Rage1979
I´d rather listen to the songs from Tony Martin era. Never liked the songs with Ozzy.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:18 pm
by Ragehead91
Why does everyone think that the Tony Martin era is so bad? Headless Cross, The Eternal Idol, Tyr, Cross Purposes and Forbidden are great Albums in my opinion.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:27 pm
by NeonVomit
Ragehead91 wrote: If Dio was the first Sabbath singer and left the Band in 1979 Tony never would've hierd Ozzy as a replacement.
But then again, the first albums would have been very different and the world of metal as we know it would probably not be the same ;)

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:27 am
by hiro23
I'm not going to try and change history, what's been done has been done, however you would think that Ozzy would be a bit more grateful to the people who've helped him to maintain his fame.

That's all I'm saying

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:48 pm
by Ragehead91
But I guess Ozzy doesn't really know what is going on anyway. I mean, look at interviews with the guy. He isn't even able to form cohesive sentences.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:18 pm
by hiro23
More then likely these days he's more Sharon's puppet

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:31 pm
by Ragehead91
hiro23 wrote:More then likely these days he's more Sharon's puppet
I always thought this whole "Sharon's Puppet" thin was a bit extreme but sadly it seems to be true.

Re: HEAVEN & HELL May Start Performing OZZY-Era SABBATH Mate

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:51 pm
by hiro23
Well it's as you said his mental capacities aren't what they used to be anymore, Sharon has been the driving force of Ozzy for quite some time

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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:59 pm
by Ragehead91
Okay, after looking at a few clips from the Osbournes TV again show I complettly agree :lol:

I mean hell, both Ozzy and Sharon said that he was on drugs all the time whie they were filming the show...