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This can't be serious =)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVY4CK8ciJw

Yes, they are serious. The Album is full of that bullshit apart from "The Keeper's Trilogy" and "A Tale That Wasn't Right". Especially the new versions of "I Want Out", "Dr. Stein" and "Eagle Fly Free" are horrendous in my opinion.

You know, in the past I always tried to defend them from everyone who said they suck since Kai or Kiske left the band or because of Andi Deris. I love the band. But this really sucks. Say about Chameleon what you will, but at least they didn't butcher the classics.

Well, I certainly wasn't expecting that.

For me their best album will remain: The Dark Ride, Master of the Ring and of course Walls of Jericho and the two KOT7K!

Ragehead91 wrote:Yes, they are serious. The Album is full of that bullshit apart from "The Keeper's Trilogy" and "A Tale That Wasn't Right". Especially the new versions of "I Want Out", "Dr. Stein" and "Eagle Fly Free" are horrendous in my opinion.

You know, in the past I always tried to defend them from everyone who said they suck since Kai or Kiske left the band or because of Andi Deris. I love the band. But this really sucks. Say about Chameleon what you will, but at least they didn't butcher the classics.

I have also been defending them. I love gambling with the devil.

Rage1979 wrote:

Ragehead91 wrote:Yes, they are serious. The Album is full of that bullshit apart from "The Keeper's Trilogy" and "A Tale That Wasn't Right". Especially the new versions of "I Want Out", "Dr. Stein" and "Eagle Fly Free" are horrendous in my opinion.

You know, in the past I always tried to defend them from everyone who said they suck since Kai or Kiske left the band or because of Andi Deris. I love the band. But this really sucks. Say about Chameleon what you will, but at least they didn't butcher the classics.

I have also been defending them. I love gambling with the devil.

I like all their stuff with Andi. Especially Dark Ride, Gambling and Master Of The Rings. Yes, they don't play that straight-forward style of Power Metal that Kai Hansen does with Gamma Ray (at least not most of the time), but that doesn't make them bad. But this record...Well, at least we'll probably have a real album by the end of the year.

Ragehead91 wrote:

Rage1979 wrote:

Ragehead91 wrote:Yes, they are serious. The Album is full of that bullshit apart from "The Keeper's Trilogy" and "A Tale That Wasn't Right". Especially the new versions of "I Want Out", "Dr. Stein" and "Eagle Fly Free" are horrendous in my opinion.

You know, in the past I always tried to defend them from everyone who said they suck since Kai or Kiske left the band or because of Andi Deris. I love the band. But this really sucks. Say about Chameleon what you will, but at least they didn't butcher the classics.

I have also been defending them. I love gambling with the devil.

I like all their stuff with Andi. Especially Dark Ride, Gambling and Master Of The Rings. Yes, they don't play that straight-forward style of Power Metal that Kai Hansen does with Gamma Ray (at least not most of the time), but that doesn't make them bad. But this record...Well, at least we'll probably have a real album by the end of the year.

Those three you mentioned are the greatest =)

Rage1979 wrote:

Ragehead91 wrote:

Rage1979 wrote:

Ragehead91 wrote:Yes, they are serious. The Album is full of that bullshit apart from "The Keeper's Trilogy" and "A Tale That Wasn't Right". Especially the new versions of "I Want Out", "Dr. Stein" and "Eagle Fly Free" are horrendous in my opinion.

You know, in the past I always tried to defend them from everyone who said they suck since Kai or Kiske left the band or because of Andi Deris. I love the band. But this really sucks. Say about Chameleon what you will, but at least they didn't butcher the classics.

I have also been defending them. I love gambling with the devil.

I like all their stuff with Andi. Especially Dark Ride, Gambling and Master Of The Rings. Yes, they don't play that straight-forward style of Power Metal that Kai Hansen does with Gamma Ray (at least not most of the time), but that doesn't make them bad. But this record...Well, at least we'll probably have a real album by the end of the year.

Those three you mentioned are the greatest =)

It is really strange that most people seem to dislike "The Dark Ride". Yes, it isn't your typical "happy Helloween" kind of album (exept for "All Over The Nation" and "Salvation") but it still has some really great Songs like The Dark Ride, Departed (Sun Is Going Down), Mr. Torture, Escalation 666, If I Could Fly, The Madness Of The Crowds and Deliver Us From Temptation (why are those two bonus tracks?). The only song I really dislike is "I Live For Your Pain".

Ragehead91 wrote:

Rage1979 wrote:

Ragehead91 wrote:

Rage1979 wrote:

Ragehead91 wrote:Yes, they are serious. The Album is full of that bullshit apart from "The Keeper's Trilogy" and "A Tale That Wasn't Right". Especially the new versions of "I Want Out", "Dr. Stein" and "Eagle Fly Free" are horrendous in my opinion.

You know, in the past I always tried to defend them from everyone who said they suck since Kai or Kiske left the band or because of Andi Deris. I love the band. But this really sucks. Say about Chameleon what you will, but at least they didn't butcher the classics.

I have also been defending them. I love gambling with the devil.

I like all their stuff with Andi. Especially Dark Ride, Gambling and Master Of The Rings. Yes, they don't play that straight-forward style of Power Metal that Kai Hansen does with Gamma Ray (at least not most of the time), but that doesn't make them bad. But this record...Well, at least we'll probably have a real album by the end of the year.

Those three you mentioned are the greatest =)

It is really strange that most people seem to dislike "The Dark Ride". Yes, it isn't your typical "happy Helloween" kind of album (exept for "All Over The Nation" and "Salvation") but it still has some really great Songs like The Dark Ride, Departed (Sun Is Going Down), Mr. Torture, Escalation 666, If I Could Fly, The Madness Of The Crowds and Deliver Us From Temptation (why are those two bonus tracks?). The only song I really dislike is "I Live For Your Pain".

I live for your pain i a good song... But songs lite The departed and Mr torture are among their best ever.

The Main Track is a masterpiece. Everyone who says that Roland can't write songs should listen to this one.

Ragehead91 wrote:The Main Track is a masterpiece. Everyone who says that Roland can't write songs should listen to this one.

Maybe Roland's best song.

The dark ride is one of their best albums!!!!! really!!!!!

Sun is going down, we damn the night and actually quite the whole album is absolutly wonderful!

Rage1979 wrote:

Ragehead91 wrote:The Main Track is a masterpiece. Everyone who says that Roland can't write songs should listen to this one.

Maybe Roland's best song.

Only thing I would've changed is the finale. After the last guitar solo Andi again sings the "Is It any wonder..." part and then it fades out. They just should've done the chorus again.

Ragehead91 wrote:The Madness Of The Crowds and Deliver Us From Temptation (why are those two bonus tracks?)

As for DUFT, it's because Markus has always been the king of B-sides.

Seriously, it has been said the management decided the album tracks, not the band. I don't know if it's true or not.

Jabi wrote:

Ragehead91 wrote:The Madness Of The Crowds and Deliver Us From Temptation (why are those two bonus tracks?)

As for DUFT, it's because Markus has always been the king of B-sides.

Seriously, it has been said the management decided the album tracks, not the band. I don't know if it's true or not.

I know. All this Japanese Bonus Track BS.

Honestly though, Deris' performance on the Keeper's trilogy, especially singing Kiske's parts
A. made me forget the rest of the album sucked
and
B. made me wish all the more that they had done REAL covers of the other songs

Not the best release, definitely. Kind of a joke, I suppose.

gon wrote:Not the best release, definitely. Kind of a joke, I suppose.

There was already a topic... I am sorry.. haven't been here for awhile.

That´s true. Anyway, I agree with your opinion.

Rage1979 wrote:

gon wrote:Not the best release, definitely. Kind of a joke, I suppose.

There was already a topic... I am sorry.. haven't been here for awhile.

Who cares? The Album sucks so much it deserves 2 topics.

the performances of the album are great.

All of them are great musicians, nobody discuss it, but... they made a mistake, in my opinion.

gon wrote:All of them are great musicians, nobody discuss it, but... they made a mistake, in my opinion.

Indeed. The problem here aren't the performances.

Ragehead91 wrote:

gon wrote:All of them are great musicians, nobody discuss it, but... they made a mistake, in my opinion.

Indeed. The problem here aren't the performances.

Yeah sure. We just can hope the next album is really good...

Rage1979 wrote:

Ragehead91 wrote:

gon wrote:All of them are great musicians, nobody discuss it, but... they made a mistake, in my opinion.

Indeed. The problem here aren't the performances.

Yeah sure. We just can hope the next album is really good...

Sascha said in an interview that they'll be on tour again by the end of the year. I hope that is true.

Ragehead91 wrote:

Rage1979 wrote:

Ragehead91 wrote:

gon wrote:All of them are great musicians, nobody discuss it, but... they made a mistake, in my opinion.

Indeed. The problem here aren't the performances.

Yeah sure. We just can hope the next album is really good...

Sascha said in an interview that they'll be on tour again by the end of the year. I hope that is true.

They won't preform with these versions live!

Rage1979 wrote:

Ragehead91 wrote:

Rage1979 wrote:

Ragehead91 wrote:

gon wrote:All of them are great musicians, nobody discuss it, but... they made a mistake, in my opinion.

Indeed. The problem here aren't the performances.

Yeah sure. We just can hope the next album is really good...

Sascha said in an interview that they'll be on tour again by the end of the year. I hope that is true.

They won't preform with these versions live!

Actually they do. They're doing some one-off shows in some CD stores.

If the band originally did the songs this way, people would not be fussing about it, that’s mainly why I think it’s lame that people are so dramatic about it. I respect the band more for doing this kind of thing than if they restricted themselves to what some community so disrespectfully demands. It’s a lot more mature if people go "I don't like it and won't listen to it, but I’m glad they did it how they wanted to and I hope their next album is X way".

icecab21 wrote:If the band originally did the songs this way, people would not be fussing about it, that’s mainly why I think it’s lame that people are so dramatic about it. I respect the band more for doing this kind of thing than if they restricted themselves to what some community so disrespectfully demands. It’s a lot more mature if people go "I don't like it and won't listen to it, but I’m glad they did it how they wanted to and I hope their next album is X way".

Agreed 100%.

It is just an experiment. Not to take too seriously.