MUSLIM Man Beheads Wife for Wanting a Divorce!

[icecab21]

There is not much room set up for tolerance when mankind thinks up a religion that says “convert others or they will go to hell" or "convert others or you will go to hell". With so many different interpretations flying around that are man made, I think it’s a shame “god” was not more specific.

[Stealth]

I am not pro religion or pro evolution, I believe that by tying yourself to some brand of belief system that you just open yourself up to fanaticism and no matter what you believe to be true if your extreme in that belief it will only lead to something bad.

Ok, one more time, evolution is not a belief system. You can actually see evolution at work. You can experiment in a lab under controlled conditions and see how generations of insects adapt to their changing environment. Religions are belief systems; evolution is not.

EDIT: Btw, I am 100% Pro Evolution Soccer 6.

[Stealth]

@Mormegil, I would not talk about tolerance if I were you, Finnish trash. You bash me and call me silly I'll give it back to you. You get what you order. My Mom is dying right now, so I don't have to be nice to you or anyone else in this forum who insults me. Go to fucking Hell, asshole.
Of course, if its fucking in Hell it ain't so bad, is it?

Oh the irony. You started a topic that stereotypes and stigmatizes Muslims and now YOU want to come across as tolerant? And you think that you have a better reason for feeling offended than any Muslim that might read this thread? "I would not talk about tolerance if I were you, Finnish trash." Wow, you really managed to contradict yourself perfectly in a mere 12 words.

[hiro23]

to Stealth:however once again my point is missed, I'm saying I'm willing to accept people for what they DO in life, not by what they believe or don't believe.

[Carcass]

I am not pro religion or pro evolution, I believe that by tying yourself to some brand of belief system that you just open yourself up to fanaticism and no matter what you believe to be true if your extreme in that belief it will only lead to something bad.

Ok, one more time, evolution is not a belief system. You can actually see evolution at work. You can experiment in a lab under controlled conditions and see how generations of insects adapt to their changing environment. Religions are belief systems; evolution is not.

EDIT: Btw, I am 100% Pro Evolution Soccer 6.

And might I add, why do you all of a sudden draw a line between religion and evolution?

[Stealth]

And might I add, why do you all of a sudden draw a line between religion and evolution?

Because I do think that religion and evolution are incompatible.

@hiro23: I agree with you, I'm just saying that people who agree with evolution are not "believers" of evolution.

[icecab21]

1. Cosmic Evolution (the origin of space, time, matter and energy from nothing)
2. Stellar and Planetary Evolution (the origin of stars and planets)
3. Abiogenesis (the origin of organic life from non-organic molecules)
4. Biological Evolution (the development and diversification of biological life, often broken into microevolution and macroevolution)
5. Chemical Evolution (the development of the larger elements from hydrogen)

We have data and methods to prove the reality of them all?

[hiro23]

to stealth:if I made it sound that way it wasn't intentional and I'm sorry I was just trying to make a point about judging people based on actions rather then what they do or do not believe in.

[Carcass]

And might I add, why do you all of a sudden draw a line between religion and evolution?

Because I do think that religion and evolution are incompatible.

@hiro23: I agree with you, I'm just saying that people who agree with evolution are not "believers" of evolution.

Darn! It was Hiro who said it first and I quoted the wrong post. Nevertheless, I disagree with you.

I don't think that science and religion are incompatible, what science is incompatible with is the literal interpretation of holy scriptures. Moreover, science severely limits God's sphere of responsibility. If you look at the history of species, for example, there are no signs of a cosmic index finger poking apes to develop to the right direction.

Cosmology and biology have little to do with what I understand to be the core of religions, so I really don't understand why some are so afraid of science explaining things to us.

[Stealth]

I agree with you Carcass, but I don't quite understand how you see science and religion as compatible.

EDIT: The only hand of God I have ever seen with my own eyes was Maradona's goal against England in 1986.

[Ragehead91]

I agree with you Carcass, but I don't quite understand how you see science and religion as compatible.

Yeah. Science and religion contradict each other in nearly every way possible. To summarize it, science is knowing and religion is believing. I know this is not completely right but it sums it up pretty well.

[icecab21]

If we look at the creationist’s webpages, and a lot, since they can't decide what to debate and how, we find that they believe in micro evolution and not in the other kinds.

Atheism chooses to believe in more than what mankind knows as well. If not, tell me the laws of all types of evolution. I’ll need to look more into it, but I know Darwin and hawking were/are agnostic.

[Carcass]

I agree with you Carcass, but I don't quite understand how you see science and religion as compatible.

In a nutshell: religions are metaphysics, they answer questions that science by definition cannot answer. The existense of God, soul or Flying Spaghetti Monster are not possible to verify.

EDIT: The only hand of God I have ever seen with my own eyes was Maradona's goal against England in 1986.

You mean he scored it with his hand?

EDIT: Maybe coexist would be a better word than compatible.

[Ragehead91]

If we look at the creationist’s webpages, and a lot, since they can't decide what to debate and how, we find that they believe in micro evolution and not in the other kinds.

Atheism chooses to believe in more than what mankind knows as well. If not, tell me the laws of all types of evolution. I’ll need to look more into it, but I know Darwin and hawking were/are agnostic.

Atheism choses to belive in nothing. Atheism is the simple answer to the question "Do you belive in god?". It is not a belief system.

[Carcass]

they believe in micro evolution

Which for some unexplained reason can't pile up into 'macroevolution'.

If not, tell me the laws of all types of evolution. I’ll need to look more into it, but I know Darwin and hawking were/are agnostic.

Like Stealth explained earlier, we don't know everything, far from it. From a historical point of view it's quite recently that we really started to figure out how the world works. If you want to place God in gaps that science has not explained (yet), then be my guest. Those gaps are getting smaller and fewer all the time.

[icecab21]

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

What proof do people have to reject alternatives to atheism? If they are making a decision without proof, is that not faith?

Do you choose to live your life as if there are no possible alternatives to atheism? That is a world view that is a belief system. I think this is more about semantics though.

[Carcass]

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

What proof do people have to reject theism? If they are making a decision without proof, is that not faith?

Do you choose to live your life as if there is no theism? That is a world view that is a belief system. I think this is more about semantics though.

I can only speak for myself, I call myself an agnostic. The existense of a deity is pretty much a non-issue for me. Dwelling on it is a waste of my finite time. Who knows and, more importantly, who cares?

[NeverendingAbyss]

There are Islam nation that are conservative nuts and others that are just nuts. Take a look at this:
http://www.dubai-architecture.info/DUB-GAL1.htm

[hiro23]

Some people like the idea of living on after their body dies and others find comfort in the idea that they have only one life and after that it's all over.

Really we shouldn't let these life philosophies separate us and turn us into enemies, I've always been of the mind that people can find some kind of common ground.

[icecab21]

who cares?

I think the issue has direct and indirect effects on individuals and communities. We are in a forum discussing it. Societies can be built on the beliefs of the members with power, and in that direction, I think the issue is deep in with sociology. This is a huge issue with real consequences for so many, so I guess a large percentage of the world can be the answer to who cares and who is involved.

[NeonVomit]

There are Islam nation that are conservative nuts and others that are just nuts. Take a look at this:
http://www.dubai-architecture.info/DUB-GAL1.htm

That's what a lot of money will do I knew about most of the projects but holy crap some of those are crazy

But, in their position I'd do exactly the same. They're attempting to diversify their economy from oil to services and tourism, since oil will eventually run out. Most of the architects and companies involved are European or American though (the construction company behind that big hotel is MACE International, a UK-based construction firm whose Middle-Eastern division are clients of my dad's company).

It must be said, the UAE is definately one of the most liberal and westernised Gulf states.

[Ragehead91]

Sorry if that offends anyone, but I just saw this and I couldn't resist.

[Carcass]

who cares?

I think the issue has direct and indirect effects on individuals and communities. We are in a forum discussing it. Societies can be built on the beliefs of the members with power, and in that direction, I think the issue is deep in with sociology. This is a huge issue with real consequences for so many, so I guess a large percentage of the world can be the answer to who cares and who is involved.

That was a rhetoric question. I can only speak for myself. I probably should've written "I don't know and I don't care", but who the fuck wants to talk like a lawyer? Anyway...

I'm very aware of the fact that people in general are religious. Some academics have described Europe as a secular 'island' in a religious world. Many sociologists see (or saw, I'm not so familiar with this debate) modernism and secularism as intertwined, it can be argued that this view is eurocentric. But then again, the whole division of religion from other spheres of life is quite Western.