Does Helloween have the worst fanbase, ever?

[Rebel]

I took a look around the forums, hoping to find a cohesive group of fans that actually enjoy the band (As opposed to the youtube Helloween fans), but I discovered a fanbase more splintered than the worst stereotype of In Flames,
Both in Kiske vs. Hansen Vs. Deris, but in how the only thing anyone can agree on is they would enjoy chameleon live. WHAT. THE. FUCK.

[AAAAAAAAAA]

I don't get it, are you trying to provoke Drag(on) Queen again!? :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:

:yuk: :jump2: :rotflmao2: :rotflmao1:

[Ragehead91]

I took a look around the forums, hoping to find a cohesive group of fans that actually enjoy the band (As opposed to the youtube Helloween fans), but I discovered a fanbase more splintered than the worst stereotype of In Flames,
Both in Kiske vs. Hansen Vs. Deris, but in how the only thing anyone can agree on is they would enjoy chameleon live. WHAT. THE. FUCK.

I love Helloween. Did you visit the Helloween forums? If yes, I'm shocked. I used to post there a lot and it actually used to be a very nice place.

[Intiaani]

I don't know, I think the "I wish Kiske had stayed" things and all that are ridiculous. Can't they see there would have been no Master of the Rings, no Time of the Oath, Dark Ride, Gambling, almost anything without the singer change? What do they want anyway? More Keeper albums, from the late 80s to eternity? What would it be now? Keeper of the Seven Keys XI: The Secrets Behind His High Iron Voice Causing Sickness? Helloween is one of the most versatile bands I know. They've done everything from the raw heavy WoJ to epic, dark, humorous Keepers to 'what the heck just happened?' Bubbles to orchestral softmetal Chameleon to hard rocking MotR to epic, mysterious TTotO to versatile BTR to dark 'Ride to something of a very heavy human relations drama Rabbit to yet again very versatile Legacy to once again heavy and obscure Gambling. Ridiculous to state they would have done all this, should Kiske have stayed. It would have been a bunch of SupaReds.

And Helloween fans want to hear Chameleon live? What the heck is this? I think it's their second or most weekest album, although I like it a lot. I'd never want to hear it live though. Maybe one or two songs, but not the album. C'mon guys...

[Ragehead91]

I couldn't agree more.

Although they still owe us a new Version of Chameleon. They originally wanted to re-record it for the 2002 Best-Of Album. But because of time pressure and worries about the reaction of the Kiske Fanfucks they decided not to record it.

[icecab21]

as far as personality and fans go, there are plenty of bands with worse fans than helloween.

[Rebel]

I don't get it, are you trying to provoke Drag(on) Queen again!? :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:

:yuk: :jump2: :rotflmao2: :rotflmao1:

No, the only thing she said about Helloween was that she wanted to throw cookies at Sascha Gerstner.

The only iteration of Helloween I really dislike is Kiske without Kai Hansen, PBGA and Chameleon are terrible.
But, Keepers 1, 2, and 3, Time of the Oath, Better than Raw, Dark Ride, all ultimate win.
Stuff like Occasion Avenue, and King for 1000 years is nuts, but I really don't blame the band for not telling anyone anything about their new album.

[Ragehead91]

By far the worst fanboys are the Kiske fanboys.

[Rebel]

By far the worst fanboys are the Kiske fanboys.

They'd suck his balls if they weren't chopped off before he hit puberty

[NeonVomit]

By far the worst fanboys are the Kiske fanboys.

Are you implying that, in at least one respect, Kai Hansen is better than Kiske?

[icecab21]

I think kiske lovers can be too extreme, and kiske haters can be too extreme.

It’s not even logical to say kiske is castrato; therefore that is a douche bag drama queen comment.

[Rebel]

I think kiske lovers can be too extreme, and kiske haters can be too extreme.

It’s not even logical to say kiske is castrato; therefore that is a douche bag drama queen comment.

I was making a joke, evidently falling on deaf ears. As I said, I liked Kiske's work on the Keepers saga.

[DawnIsHere]

I know it's old, but I couldn't resist

HELLOWEEN discuss stuff.

KAI HANSEN
I find it too difficult to play guitar and sing at the same time.

MARKUS GROSSKOPF
Let’s get another singer then. Let’s call that kid we know from ILL PROPHECY.

He calls MICHAEL KISKE and asks him to join.

MICHAEL KISKE
I don’t want to, your music is too heavy and fast, it hurts my ears.

KAI HANSEN then calls RALPH SCHEEPERS.

RALPH SCHEEPERS
Sorry, I believe TYRAN PACE is going to be huge.

HELLOWEEN decide to call MICHAEL KISKE. Again.

MICHAEL WEIKATH
If you join us, we’ll write lighter stuff and slow down a little, much to KAI HANSEN’s dismay.

MICHAEL KISKE.
OK then, but I want to write songs too. How do you say this music is called? Heavy Rock?

MICHAEL KISKE joins HELLOWEEN and they release the KEEPER OF THE SEVEN KEYS albums. They become HUGE.

KAI HANSEN.
Management sucks, touring sucks, and I don’t like the direction the band wants to take. I want out.

He leaves.

MICHAEL KISKE.
I am the leader now, bow down to me or I’ll leave the band! Let’s write a new album, it’ll be called PINK BUBBLES GO APE and be lighter than the KEEPERS. I also demand to be the main guy or I’ll leave the band!

HELLOWEEN.
Ok, but please don’t leave us.

MICHAEL WEIKATH (Thinking)
Damn this kid, but we need him now that KAI HANSEN left.

HELLOWEEN releases PINK BUBBLES GO APE. Some fans go WTF.

MICHAEL KISKE.
For the next album, I want the music to be even lighter, and with ORCHESTRA parts too. I also want acoustic guitars, lots and lots of them. And I want us to be the best ROCK POP band ever!

HELLOWEEN.
Not sure about that, you know? We are a metal band and…

MICHAEL KISKE (Interrupting).
I’ll leave you!

HELLOWEEN.
OK, maybe after all it’s not such a bad idea, we can experiment a little and then go back to metal.

HELLOWEEN releases CHAMELEON. It’s utterly DESPISED by most fans.

MICHAEL KISKE
What? What happened? This can’t be happening, we are HELLOWEEN! We are UNIQUE and FUNNY and…

METAL FANS
And ROCK POP.

MICHAEL KISKE
So what? It’s all about ARTISTIC EXPRESSION and TRUE ART. You don’t understand because you are morons. Only those who LIKE CHAMELEON are NOT.

MICHAEL WEIKATH (Thinking).
Ever since KAI HANSEN left I’ve wanted to be the leader, but this MICHAEL KISKE is in the way, now it’s the time to get rid of him.

He kicks him out of HELLOWEEN.

MICHAEL KISKE goes ballistic, bitter and angry at all things metal. He snaps. Permanently. He also swears REVENGE. Christian Revenge and Unforgiveness (TM).

KAI HANSEN calls MICHAEL KISKE.
Would you like to do some guest vocals for the upcoming GAMMA RAY album?

MICHAEL KISKE.
Yes. I need money. I’ve been a pauper since I LEFT HELLOWEEN by MY OWN WILL last year. Let’s do it.

LAND OF THE FREE is released. Kiske fanboys go nuts over “Time to Break Free”.

KISKE FANBOYS
OMG! OMG! MICHAEL KISKE is back into METAL!!1 We love him forevers!

MICHAEL KISKE.
NO! NO! I just did that because.. as a FAVOR for a friend. I HATE METAL! It’s EVIL and stuff. I’ll write a book about how the world is so corrupt and bad and how it doesn’t follow MY ideas of what is TRUE ART.

A couple of years go by.

MICHAEL KISKE
I’m out of money again. I haven’t finished my book yet, so I can’t be rich now. But once I’ll publish it everyone will see me as the true and only new MESSIAH. In the meantime, I’ll record an album. Problem is only METAL dorks know who I am.

I know, I’ll hardrockify it! Haha, I am so GENIUS. That way no one can say I’m back into METAL.

MICHAEL KISKE requests aid from two very UNMETAL persons. KAI HANSEN and ADRIAN SMITH.

INSTANT CLARITY is released. It’s accepted as an “OK” hard rock / metal album.

MICHAEL KISKE is angry at the METAL tag after the slash. He also publishes a BOOK. NOBODY but KISKE FANBOYS ever read it.

MICHAEL KISKE.
I announce I’m leaving the hard rock / metal scene FOREVER. My next album will be POP!

READINESS TO SACRIFICE is released. The album BLOWS and BOMBS.

MICHAEL KISKE.
No one understands what TRUE ART is anymore. METAL is corrupt and dumb and dead and noisy. TRUE ART can’t be expressed through METAL. It can only be expressed through what *I* say.

TOBIAS SAMMET calls MICHAEL KISKE.
You are my idol and my role model. I have an altar with your image. Would you like to sing in a metal opera I’m working on?

MICHAEL KISKE.
Yes. But I don’t want my name to appear in the credits.

TOBIAS SAMMET.
I don’t get it.

MICHAEL KISKE.
I’m out of metal.

TOBIAS SAMMET.
I see, but well, this is a METAL opera and…

MICHAEL KISKE (Interrupting)
Shut up. I need money. I’ll think of a clever pseudonym. I’ll get back to you when I’m ready.

After much thought, MICHAEL KISKE comes up with the pseudonym of ERNIE.

MICHAEL KISKE.
I am such a GENIUS. No one will ever know ERNIE is me!

AVANTASIA is released. Everyone talks about MICHAEL KISKE’s participation in the album.

METAL FANS.
I thought the guy was out of metal.

MICHAEL KISKE.
I AM! You morons! Can’t you see that’s not me? That’s ERNIE.

METAL FANS.
Uh, ok…

MICHAEL KISKE.
Just to be sure, I announce my departure from the hard rock / metal scene. Forever. Again.

TIMO TOLKKI.
I am releasing a superb solo album. I want you to sing in a song. I respect your wishes of unmetalness. So I’ll make your song a sappy ballad.

MICHAEL KISKE accepts. HYMN TO LIFE is released. No one but STRATOVARIUS fans care.

ROLAND GRAPOW and ULI KUSCH
We were kicked out of HELLOWEEN. We want you to be the singer for our band.

MICHAEL KISKE.
I’m out of metal.

ROLAND GRAPOW and ULI KUSCH.
We understand, but could you make a guest appearance? We’ll pay you.

MICHAEL KISKE.
I’m in.

MASTERPLAN’s debut album is released. It’s widely accepted.

METAL FANS
Wait a second. Isn’t that… MICHAEL KISKE? I thought he was out of metal

MICHAEL KISKE
I announce my departure from the hard rock / metal scene. Forever. Again. This time I mean it. That’s why I’ll record a new album with hard rock elements in it. I’ll think of a catchy and clever name for it.

SUPARED is released. Only KISKE FANBOYS like it. The album BOMBS.

MICHAEL KISKE.
I know what’s happening. I’m an alien in this world. My music is so advanced and genuine that just a few enlightened souls comprehend it. Therefore I know humanity will never understand TRUE ART and TRUE MUSIC, which is the one only *I* do.

HARD ROCK / METAL FANS.
Isn’t that SUPARED album kinda hard rockish? I thought MICHAEL KISKE was out of that…

SUPARED continues to receive negative or bland reviews. MICHAEL KISKE feels himself threatened so much he releases a NEW statement that NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN BEFORE.

MICHAEL KISKE.
I announce my departure from the hard rock / metal scene. Forever. Again. I don’t fit.

THE END.

Just kidding!!

A couple of years go by.

SERAFINO PERUGINO
Michael, we would like you to sing in a project, but fear not! This is not Metal nor is even heavy at all, it’s just ehhh… melodic rock! Yeah, it invloves some dudes from VANDEN PLAS, PINK CREAM 69 and whatsitsname…? Well, anyway, we’ll pay you well.

MICHAEL KISKE
Kickass!

PLACE VENDOME is released. It is heavier than Michi expected though.

MICHAEL KISKE
Nooo! Those guitars sound very distorted and heavy! I hate it!! Now I need to wash my soul and ears!

Sometime later MICHAEL KISKE releases a new solo album called “KISKE”. No one but Kiske fanboys care.

MICHAEL KISKE
Damn it, I’m running out of my green friend again. I need to think of something. *Brainstorms furiously*

SERAFINO PERUGINO
Michael, I have this super duper idea, it will give us a quick buck and the work needed is minimal.

MICHAEL KISKE
*Stroking his chin* Hmmm, continue.

SERAFINO PERUGINO
Listen, all you have to do is re-record your old HELLOWEEN songs and…

Perugino is interrupted by a hellish shriek emitted by Kiske. Michi’s eyes grow big, he starts shaking while clenching his teeth, his eyes resemble those of a maniac who is about to go on a murderous rampage.

SERAFINO PERUGINO (Desperately)
Calm down! Calm down! This would be done in a completely ACOUSTIC manner!

Michael slowly calms down.

SERAFINO PERUGINO
Well, what do you think?

MICHAEL KISKE
It’s a great idea!

METAL FANS (Rolling eyes)
Now the guy is trying to make a buck out of past glories. Truly pathetic. Maybe he should team up with PAUL DI’ANNO.

MICHAEL KISKE (Angrily)
What!? Those are MY songs! None of you can stop me from re-recording them in any way I want! All you are is a bunch of dogmatic, negative enemies of ART!! I am FED UP with your DESTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOUR! Metal ideologies are STUPID AND NEGATIVE AND RESTRICTING, I AM BRAVE ENOUGH TO DENOUNCE WHAT’S WRONG WITH THE METAL WORLD AND THAT’S WHY YOU HATE ME!

METAL FANS (Bewildered)
What the…? Dude, you’ve been an outsider for a long, long time. It’s kinda funny how you pretend to know everything about metal and…

MICHAEL KISKE (Interrupting. Quite Enraged.)
SHUT UP! YOU JUST CAN’T HANDLE ME! THAT’S WHY YOU HATE ME! I AM A MARTYR!! METAL TRIES TO TELL ME WHAT TO THINK AND PLAY AND IF I DARE TO TRY TO BE FREE AND PLAY RAP OR POP OR REGGAE YOU WILL CRITICIZE ME!

METAL FANS
Only if you release it under the name of a METAL band.

MICHAEL KISKE (Interrupting. Quite Enraged.)
SILENCE! METAL PROCLAIMS FREEDOM BUT REALLY BETRAYS FREEDOM AND SO TO BE TRULY FREE YOU HAVE TO “BETRAY” METAL!

The METAL FANS look at each other with an incredulous look, then point at Michael and laugh hysterically

METAL FANS
Man, this guy is truly a nutjob and completely oblivious to what Metal is about. Let’s go.

They leave.

MICHAEL KISKE (Still pissed off.)
HEY! DON’T YUO DARE TO IGNORE ME, BITCHES! COME BACK! COME BACK! YOU WILL HEAR FROM ME AGAIN!!!

We know.

THE END.

[Intiaani]

I LOVE The Story Of, but they should update it already. Nothing about Indigo Dying, Trick or Treat, nothing.

[Rebel]

I LOVE The Story Of, but they should update it already. Nothing about Indigo Dying, Trick or Treat, nothing.

I am out of Metal forever! Even though New Era makes no effort whatsoever to sound even the slightest bit not metal, I will sing in LAST NIGHT ON EARTH! With screeching ELECTRIC GUITARS, and be, NOT METAL

[Intiaani]

Come to think of it, yeah, not even New Era or The Scarecrow stuff are in there.

Anyway, there's an interesting rumor now.

AngelCryGr wrote:
Friday evening

Michael Kiske is in a new band again! There is no name for this band yet, but one of the members will be the acclaimed bassist and producer Dennis Ward (Place Vendome , Pink Cream 69...). The creation of this band is in its first steps so there isn't a lot information yet, but in the next year there will be a NEW ALBUM and TOUR.

Just to tease you. The shoutbox messages can't be wrong! D:

[Rebel]

Come to think of it, yeah, not even New Era or The Scarecrow stuff are in there.

Anyway, there's an interesting rumor now.

AngelCryGr wrote:
Friday evening

Michael Kiske is in a new band again! There is no name for this band yet, but one of the members will be the acclaimed bassist and producer Dennis Ward (Place Vendome , Pink Cream 69...). The creation of this band is in its first steps so there isn't a lot information yet, but in the next year there will be a NEW ALBUM and TOUR.

Just to tease you. The shoutbox messages can't be wrong! D:

This one is true, check the other threads.

[icecab21]

I was making a joke, evidently falling on deaf ears. As I said, I liked Kiske's work on the Keepers saga.

what does liking a voice or some cds have to do with a comment about the range of the voice?

i know you were joking, others say it with less jest so i was making a general statement about that kind of comment that is a general comment that many metal singers seem to get towards them.

[Ragehead91]

By far the worst fanboys are the Kiske fanboys.

Are you implying that, in at least one respect, Kai Hansen is better than Kiske?

Yes

[Rebel]

I was making a joke, evidently falling on deaf ears. As I said, I liked Kiske's work on the Keepers saga.

what does liking a voice or some cds have to do with a comment about the range of the voice?

i know you were joking, others say it with less jest so i was making a general statement about that kind of comment that is a general comment that many metal singers seem to get towards them.

Kiske can go fairly high, not eunuch high, but high nonetheless
As Jens put it to describe the "Man" video he uploaded
"He's Unique, not Eunuch"

[Ragehead91]

[Babylon]

By far the worst fanboys are the Kiske fanboys.

Yes. I have no problem with him, he is a fantastic singer and I even enjoy some of his solo stuff, but I do have a problem with these fanboys. If they don't like the band anymore, that's fine, but what is the point of bashing them all the time - especially Andi when he sings the old stuff... It is a DIFFERENT singer, of course it's not gonna sound like Kiske's versions - if you want that, just listen to the damn album and quit whining!

[Rebel]

By far the worst fanboys are the Kiske fanboys.

Yes. I have no problem with him, he is a fantastic singer and I even enjoy some of his solo stuff, but I do have a problem with these fanboys. If they don't like the band anymore, that's fine, but what is the point of bashing them all the time - especially Andi when he sings the old stuff... It is a DIFFERENT singer, of course it's not gonna sound like Kiske's versions - if you want that, just listen to the damn album and quit whining!

Deris actually sings Eagle Fly Free better IMO.

[Ragehead91]

By far the worst fanboys are the Kiske fanboys.

Yes. I have no problem with him, he is a fantastic singer and I even enjoy some of his solo stuff, but I do have a problem with these fanboys. If they don't like the band anymore, that's fine, but what is the point of bashing them all the time - especially Andi when he sings the old stuff... It is a DIFFERENT singer, of course it's not gonna sound like Kiske's versions - if you want that, just listen to the damn album and quit whining!

+<9000

[Intiaani]

By far the worst fanboys are the Kiske fanboys.

Yes. I have no problem with him, he is a fantastic singer and I even enjoy some of his solo stuff, but I do have a problem with these fanboys. If they don't like the band anymore, that's fine, but what is the point of bashing them all the time - especially Andi when he sings the old stuff... It is a DIFFERENT singer, of course it's not gonna sound like Kiske's versions - if you want that, just listen to the damn album and quit whining!

Deris actually sings Eagle Fly Free better IMO.

I don't know about better, but I've said this for many times too. I think the style he's turned the song in, you know the pausing, rhytming, it works really well. The best Kiske-era song as a result of Derisiation.

[Ragehead91]

By far the worst fanboys are the Kiske fanboys.

Yes. I have no problem with him, he is a fantastic singer and I even enjoy some of his solo stuff, but I do have a problem with these fanboys. If they don't like the band anymore, that's fine, but what is the point of bashing them all the time - especially Andi when he sings the old stuff... It is a DIFFERENT singer, of course it's not gonna sound like Kiske's versions - if you want that, just listen to the damn album and quit whining!

Deris actually sings Eagle Fly Free better IMO.

I don't know about better, but I've said this for many times too. I think the style he's turned the song in, you know the pausing, rhytming, it works really well. The best Kiske-era song as a result of Derisiation.

Yeah. I love the way Deris plays with the crowd.

[Rebel]

By far the worst fanboys are the Kiske fanboys.

Yes. I have no problem with him, he is a fantastic singer and I even enjoy some of his solo stuff, but I do have a problem with these fanboys. If they don't like the band anymore, that's fine, but what is the point of bashing them all the time - especially Andi when he sings the old stuff... It is a DIFFERENT singer, of course it's not gonna sound like Kiske's versions - if you want that, just listen to the damn album and quit whining!

Deris actually sings Eagle Fly Free better IMO.

I don't know about better, but I've said this for many times too. I think the style he's turned the song in, you know the pausing, rhytming, it works really well. The best Kiske-era song as a result of Derisiation.

The Sao Paulo video is what sold me on Deris singing Kiske completely, he's made Helloween one of the most unique power metal bands ever.

[Ragehead91]

Yes. Maybe Andi doesn't have the vocal range that Kiske had, but makes up for that with his Charisma and ability to play with the crowd instead of Kiske who was, from what I've seen from him, more of a stage-poser.

[Babylon]

The Sao Paulo video is what sold me on Deris singing Kiske completely, he's made Helloween one of the most unique power metal bands ever.

He sounds AWESOME on that DVD. From all the live versions I've heard of A Tale That Wasn't Right, I think that one is my favorite. And I cannot get enough of that version of Keeper of the Seven Keys.

Yes. Maybe Andi doesn't have the vocal range that Kiske had, but makes up for that with his Charisma and ability to play with the crowd instead of Kiske who was, from what I've seen from him, more of a stage-poser.

Exactly. He's such a cool frontman and always looks like he's having fun onstage.

[icecab21]

lots of fans are "kiske fanboys suck!!! i'm a deris fanboy" and vice versa. it is ok to complement one without having to insult the other.