Should this Forum be overhauled and moderated?

[Rebel]

You're putting words in my mouth. As I said, I have no problem with people stating their opinions in a behaved an civilized way. But what they're doing is neither behaved nor civilized. All they do is producing more fake accounts, spam a shitload of smiley, making stupid jokes and bash Tolkki. And this is really becoming rampant in the recent time. You can't discuss with them because all they give you is even more shit. And as long as they don't stop this and behave civilized they should get banend. Period.

What will banning do? Make them harder to keep track of? Its like you said, they'll just keep making more accounts.

If this forum would've a few active mods and admins, this problem can be sloved too.

it DOES have active mods and admins, they're just quiet and sneaky, I asked Jens about this, he said he wasn't the one who banned the A24s (Which, I assume were not from the same group as the regular A10ers)

Then why aren't the other A's banned yet. They're as obnoxious as the others.

Because you touch yourself at night?
Hell if I know, it's because the A24s were actually breaking forum rules and blitz posting without any substance.
Or maybe it's because the mods don't listen to the fan mail you send.
I can already tell you're one of the people that is overly self assured in their own opinions, so I would say discussing this with you is about as pointless as discussing Tolkki with the A10ers. But you never thought about that, did you?

There is nothing to discuss about the As. They're obnoxious trolls that should be banned right away.

Well to say the least you're argument is unconvincing.

Congratulations! You've spent an entire page of debate pretending "I don't like them, they annoy me" is a valid excuse for banning a group of posters!

[Gossimoto]

I'm relatively new here but I will say that the AAAA guys are annoying and pathetic.

They flood every thread with a wave of emoticons and garbage and it makes my brain leak out of my head a little after every post.

[JensJohansson]

No. Not this. Banning. Period.

Again, "banning someone" is not technically feasible. Unless everyone who participates is willing to establish a very strong link between their actual ("real life" or "AFK") identity, and their user ID here, it's not possible to ban "a person".

It's not even clear to me how it would be possible to establish such a strong link. I could require everyone to re-register and in that process, to send me a scan of their passport/ ID card and a snail-mail address. I'd then snail-mail a form which they would sign and return and only then would I re-enable their account here.

Or perhaps require a valid credit card on registration, charge a $20 membership fee, appoint someone moderator (who? browneyedgirl? Allison? DreamT? 10A? Ragehead91?), and then have this moderator fine people $1 against their "balance" when they make posts the moderator finds objectionable. Or ban them with forfeiture of the whole remaining balance.

And then we could have a real vibrant Stalinist community here, with the maybe two - three people on the planet who would subject themselves to such intrusions and restrictions, agreeing and talking amongst themselves.

I'll think of something else than that I think...

[Ragehead91]

You're putting words in my mouth. As I said, I have no problem with people stating their opinions in a behaved an civilized way. But what they're doing is neither behaved nor civilized. All they do is producing more fake accounts, spam a shitload of smiley, making stupid jokes and bash Tolkki. And this is really becoming rampant in the recent time. You can't discuss with them because all they give you is even more shit. And as long as they don't stop this and behave civilized they should get banend. Period.

What will banning do? Make them harder to keep track of? Its like you said, they'll just keep making more accounts.

If this forum would've a few active mods and admins, this problem can be sloved too.

it DOES have active mods and admins, they're just quiet and sneaky, I asked Jens about this, he said he wasn't the one who banned the A24s (Which, I assume were not from the same group as the regular A10ers)

Then why aren't the other A's banned yet. They're as obnoxious as the others.

Because you touch yourself at night?
Hell if I know, it's because the A24s were actually breaking forum rules and blitz posting without any substance.
Or maybe it's because the mods don't listen to the fan mail you send.
I can already tell you're one of the people that is overly self assured in their own opinions, so I would say discussing this with you is about as pointless as discussing Tolkki with the A10ers. But you never thought about that, did you?

There is nothing to discuss about the As. They're obnoxious trolls that should be banned right away.

Well to say the least you're argument is unconvincing.

Congratulations! You've spent an entire page of debate pretending "I don't like them, they annoy me" is a valid excuse for banning a group of posters!

Read my posts. I gave you reasons for why I think they should be banned.

[Rebel]

You're putting words in my mouth. As I said, I have no problem with people stating their opinions in a behaved an civilized way. But what they're doing is neither behaved nor civilized. All they do is producing more fake accounts, spam a shitload of smiley, making stupid jokes and bash Tolkki. And this is really becoming rampant in the recent time. You can't discuss with them because all they give you is even more shit. And as long as they don't stop this and behave civilized they should get banend. Period.

What will banning do? Make them harder to keep track of? Its like you said, they'll just keep making more accounts.

If this forum would've a few active mods and admins, this problem can be sloved too.

it DOES have active mods and admins, they're just quiet and sneaky, I asked Jens about this, he said he wasn't the one who banned the A24s (Which, I assume were not from the same group as the regular A10ers)

Then why aren't the other A's banned yet. They're as obnoxious as the others.

Because you touch yourself at night?
Hell if I know, it's because the A24s were actually breaking forum rules and blitz posting without any substance.
Or maybe it's because the mods don't listen to the fan mail you send.
I can already tell you're one of the people that is overly self assured in their own opinions, so I would say discussing this with you is about as pointless as discussing Tolkki with the A10ers. But you never thought about that, did you?

There is nothing to discuss about the As. They're obnoxious trolls that should be banned right away.

Well to say the least you're argument is unconvincing.

Congratulations! You've spent an entire page of debate pretending "I don't like them, they annoy me" is a valid excuse for banning a group of posters!

Read my posts. I gave you reasons for why I think they should be banned.

We get it, you don't like them, but in one post, Irinia has made more valid posts than you have in a barrage of pointless crap.

And you also failed to read Jens' post.
I support an ignore feature, it's the best solution, I've seen it work time and time again.

(and yes, (s)he(?) does have a point, if the A10 spent more time in the Spam and Flames section, I think Irinia's concerns wouldn't be so bad)

[Ragehead91]

We get it, you don't like them, but in one post, Irinia has made more valid posts than you have in a barrage of pointless crap.

And you also failed to read Jens' post.
I support an ignore feature, it's the best solution, I've seen it work time and time again.

(and yes, (s)he(?) does have a point, if the A10 spent more time in the Spam and Flames section, I think Irinia's concerns wouldn't be so bad)

No, I said more than that. I said that they're obnoxious and tedious. They don't contribute anything usefull to discussions but spam, unfunny jokes a shitload of smileys. If you try to discuss with them, they only give you more of the aforementioned. They turn every discussion into nonsense. I like jokes and I have nothing against sarcasm but what they do is just pathetic. As other people already said, they don't help attracting new users at all. Quite the contrary, they scare off potential new users. And a lot of the users we currently have are also leaving because of them. If they would keep their spam exclusively to the Flames section I would've no problem. But I mean EXCLUSIVELY. Only in the Flames and the Spam section. Not ANYWHERE else. That would be a compromise.

[Aldaron]

We get it, you don't like them, but in one post, Irinia has made more valid posts than you have in a barrage of pointless crap.

And you also failed to read Jens' post.
I support an ignore feature, it's the best solution, I've seen it work time and time again.

(and yes, (s)he(?) does have a point, if the A10 spent more time in the Spam and Flames section, I think Irinia's concerns wouldn't be so bad)

Just want to point out one more thing that gets annoying. People who don't edit out all the previous posts when they quote someone. It's really easy to do. See? I did it. If you don't, then we get these really, really long quotes before short comments on them. I should think Rageman would not want to have the posts that annoy him repeated?

On Topic, I like Jens' idea. Wouldn't cure all ills but would at least stick a bandaid on it.

[AAAAAAAAAA]

They don't contribute anything usefull to discussions but spam, unfunny jokes a shitload of smileys. If you try to discuss with them, they only give you more of the aforementioned.

I wonder what Pinhead91's so mad about this time. :heil: :heil: You do realize the new Sonata Arctica album is "The Days of Grays", right? :laff: :rotflmao1:



:poke: I suggest you cut down on the beer , take a bath, and lighten up (lose 50 pounds)!

A few more notes: :rotflmao1:
1) Some new users might maybe be intimidated by the A-Family. But isn't that Jens' problem? If he even suggested that I change my avatar, post in certain sections, whatever, I would do it! Priapus knows!

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:ola:

2) This poll is inheritance unfair because your opening statement and the negative title of the topic introduce an inherent bias. If we really want to know the collective opinion of the Stratovarius community, the title should be "A-Family Discussion" and we should each be allowed to make a statement asserting our case!

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:ola:

3) Remember I am just one guy! There's A9, A10 2.0, A7, A12, A24, whatever. We might collectively be overbearing, but I didn't tell anyone else to register these nicks! And why should we be so serious all the time . Lets have a party! :rotflmao1: :rotflmao1: :rotflmao1:

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4) Did you hear? They're not making pencils any longer! :laff: :rotflmao1: :rotflmao1:
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THEY'RE LONG ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

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:ola::ola:

[NeverendingAbyss]

If you don't like it, you have the official AAAAAAAAAA website http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/AAAAAAAAA!

[fernandotcl]

Like I said in another thread, the AAA thing was initially slightly amusing, but now it's just plain boring, distracting, and it's also the main reason why I don't post much here anymore.

I vote yes, let the banhammer fall. I want to see all the AAA family banned and I want to be able to blacklist A*.

[emperor_black]

A-team has like 100 acounts here, so this poll is not going to work out

[AAAAAAAAAA]

this poll is not going to work out

Neither is Timo Tolkki!

.........
Anyway, if the general consensus is that A10 is a pest...I suppose I COULD take my business elsewhere (although I cannot speak for the rest of the A's). So long my buncombes! As I will not be around, someone please keep Icetray in line. I will try to find some forum more fitting to my abrasive mannerisms!

Buh-bye!
:ola:

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[warrencurrymetal]

If you don't like it, you have the official AAAAAAAAAA website http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/AAAAAAAAA!

That was pretty damn funny!!

[gnurt_gp]

I'm a Strato fan, I've been following this forum for a while, have just registered only to express my opinion here on this topic: it's quite irritating to read this forum now with all the spams those AAAs do

[AAAAAAAAA]

this poll is not going to work out

Neither is Timo Tolkki!

.........
Anyway, if the general consensus is that A10 is a pest...I suppose I COULD take my business elsewhere (although I cannot speak for the rest of the A's). So long my buncombes! As I will not be around, someone please keep Icetray in line. I will try to find some forum more fitting to my abrasive mannerisms!

Buh-bye!
:ola:

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I am out too. Have fun with the German metal.

[Rebel]

this poll is not going to work out

Neither is Timo Tolkki!

.........
Anyway, if the general consensus is that A10 is a pest...I suppose I COULD take my business elsewhere (although I cannot speak for the rest of the A's). So long my buncombes! As I will not be around, someone please keep Icetray in line. I will try to find some forum more fitting to my abrasive mannerisms!

Buh-bye!
:ola:

:crowd1: :crowd1: :crowd1: :crowd1: :crowd1: :crowd1: :crowd1: :crowd1:

I am out too. Have fun with the German metal.

I think I just died a little bit.

[icecab21]

rebel, start a band and have the A family be your official forum posters.

[mayhem-for-all]

Definately YES!
I just can't stand those A people anymore.
Come on we are trying to discuss music here and I can't remember when they have last said a word about music (and no bashing Tolkki and calling him fat ain't music discussion)

And if nothing happens to them maybe I should start mindless trolling around here instead of proper discussion.
Then we might have just a forum full of trolls spamming emoticons that make no sense.

A people are just pathetic and childish and definately not funny.

[kameli]

I agree with Ragehead91. Atrolls are just fucking annoying!
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[Mormegil]

No. Not this. Banning. Period.

Again, "banning someone" is not technically feasible. Unless everyone who participates is willing to establish a very strong link between their actual ("real life" or "AFK") identity, and their user ID here, it's not possible to ban "a person".

It's not even clear to me how it would be possible to establish such a strong link. I could require everyone to re-register and in that process, to send me a scan of their passport/ ID card and a snail-mail address. I'd then snail-mail a form which they would sign and return and only then would I re-enable their account here.

Or perhaps require a valid credit card on registration, charge a $20 membership fee, appoint someone moderator (who? browneyedgirl? Allison? DreamT? 10A? Ragehead91?), and then have this moderator fine people $1 against their "balance" when they make posts the moderator finds objectionable. Or ban them with forfeiture of the whole remaining balance.

And then we could have a real vibrant Stalinist community here, with the maybe two - three people on the planet who would subject themselves to such intrusions and restrictions, agreeing and talking amongst themselves.

I'll think of something else than that I think...

I swear, this is where internet is heading for for real.

I don't much care about the A's. Every forum has it's trolls, but Stratoforum has at least decent ones.

[palarmux]

I agree with Ragehead91. Atrolls are just fucking annoying!
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OMG! My computer almost crashed And it is crashing over tiem when browsing this thread! GUYS STOP USING SO HELL AMOUNT OF SMILIES!!!

And yes, we need moderators here

[Balu]

If we get rid of the A-team or what the fuck, there will be others.

[NeverendingAbyss]

I agree with Ragehead91. Atrolls are just fucking annoying!
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OMG! My computer almost crashed And it is crashing over tiem when browsing this thread! GUYS STOP USING SO HELL AMOUNT OF SMILIES!!!

And yes, we need moderators here

FUCK YEAH!!!

[empi]

I think a ignore function like on other forums would do good work for the A problem.I have not a real problem with them cause i scroll down and dont read their posts.

[mayhem-for-all]

I think a ignore function like on other forums would do good work for the A problem.I have not a real problem with them cause i scroll down and dont read their posts.

Yeah you will just have tol specify for it: Any account with 2 or more A-letters in a row and thats it.

[icecab21]

So block anyone named "aaron" or "aardvark"?

[mayhem-for-all]

So block anyone named "aaron" or "aardvark"?

Thats what I'm saying there are a billion of A's and such.
It will be a hell to go through all those annoying trolls they have and if people decide to block them why wouldn't they make a dozen more?

[Rebel]

So block anyone named "aaron" or "aardvark"?

Thats what I'm saying there are a billion of A's and such.
It will be a hell to go through all those annoying trolls they have and if people decide to block them why wouldn't they make a dozen more?

Because... not everyone would block them, and they wouldn't know when they were blocked?
I asked Jens about the A-issue after the Cleveland Concert, and he said something to the extent of "It's not just one person, it's actually a bunch of people controlling their own accounts".

Your logic better applies to banning them, because if you ban them, they come back with new accounts. If you ignore them, they're free to post their thoughts for anyone who cares to read.

[gnurt_gp]

Because... not everyone would block them, and they wouldn't know when they were blocked?
I asked Jens about the A-issue after the Cleveland Concert, and he said something to the extent of "It's not just one person, it's actually a bunch of people controlling their own accounts".

Your logic better applies to banning them, because if you ban them, they come back with new accounts. If you ignore them, they're free to post their thoughts for anyone who cares to read.

I think it's not about banning, just delete the posts which are considered spams. I have never seen any forum that accepts this kind of post with tons of emoticons and crazy motion pictures like this. Also the avatars, microphallus or penis or whatever. If I use any social network and use that kind of avatar, I will have this avatar removed as soon as someone reports it. I know this is a metal forum, but IMO it's annoying.
The point I would like to express here is, I don't see this happen in any healthy forum. And I think there must be something wrong here. wtf about Timo Tolkki? do the fans care about Timo Tolkki and all the freaking things, or they care about music? It is Stratovarius official forum and what we see here is a bunch of Tolkki bashing. I know that Tollki has done many bad things to Stratovarius, and he is not healthy. But IMO, Jens, if you approve this place to be Tolkki bashing place, I'm sorry but I don't think you are healthy, either. Musicians supposed to play song with feelings, not like the machine. So, if you are happy to see Tolkki bashed, what is your feelings when you play his songs in gigs? I'm not backing Tolkki. I'm just very very sad to see the band that has such amazing songs which I can't see anywhere else, to be in such bad condition. It's impossible to explain. Very sad

[kameli]

some emoticons..

OMG! My computer almost crashed And it is crashing over tiem when browsing this thread! GUYS STOP USING SO HELL AMOUNT OF SMILIES!!!

That was exactly my point :crazy1: