Babylon and Jörg Michael

[JPR]

I've always wondered about this but at 2:28 in the Baybon, Jörg sounds early on just that one snare hit, is this a mistake or just musical genius? It doesn't sound bad I've just always been intruiged.

Alternately I got a defective copy of the Episode Album (Which I hope not), but has anyone else noticed this?

Peace \m/

(PS Forgive my Ignorance for searching wether this topic has been posted been but there is a lot of forum to go through xD)

[palarmux]

I think it is mistake, I have noticed it always I listen that song. it's hard to unnotice it, it's so straight mistake, I dunno

[fernandotcl]

It sounds intentional to me.

[Intiaani]

I noticed it on the first time and pay notice to it every time I listen to that song. I've also spoken about it with some of my friends, some of those being musicians. Everyone agrees with me that that early snare hit is there just to spice things up. That couldn't have gone unnoticed in the studio, so whether it's intentional or not, it was definitely left there on purpose. I think it's great, it confuses and surprises new listeners and makes discussions like this possible.

[valo_666]

To me it's just a cool progressive drumming arrangement

[JPR]

I noticed it on the first time and pay notice to it every time I listen to that song. I've also spoken about it with some of my friends, some of those being musicians. Everyone agrees with me that that early snare hit is there just to spice things up. That couldn't have gone unnoticed in the studio, so whether it's intentional or not, it was definitely left there on purpose. I think it's great, it confuses and surprises new listeners and makes discussions like this possible.

Yeah I'm all with you on that, just something to create musical interest. Though again I was unsure so I thought I'd ask xD

[Rebel]

sounds to me like a mistake.

[ggonza43]

I think it's intentional. There are plenty of drummers that do the same

[Plisken]

ether way Jorg is having a good laugh right about now lol.

[ggonza43]

Sure he is . But it would be great if Jorg post a message here explaining if our thoughts are right

[Empathica1928]

There are several moments on Episode that do something similar, where the snare plays on the bass beat and vice versa, so Babylon's not the only song with strange drum moments on that album. But yea, there's no way that could've gone unnoticed in the studio. Given both of those, I gotta believe it's intentional. It's impossible to not notice it when it's playing...

[ggonza43]

... Or maybe they noticed it, but were too lazy to re-record it again

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[Keyssion]

I'd actually believe that it's just a pure mistake! But I think it can't really be called a true mistake since it was left there and it sounds good I've done some recording and producing, and things like that happen sometimes. And a good sounding mistake is a pretty funny thing to notice It can't really be bad! Nobody cares if it's a mistake, if it sounds good!

ggonza, that's possible. It's a darn long song to rerecord completely! Of course you can record it in smaller parts but that's not what you usually do with professional musicians


....or then it can just be a cool detail!

[Intiaani]

Also that tempo ain't so hard for a drummer as good as Jörg, so actually it's a VERY bad miss from him or it's intentional, as I strongly believe it is. It would be harder to find the tempo again after an accidental early hit anyway, so, it must be intentional?

[Rebel]

Also that tempo ain't so hard for a drummer as good as Jörg, so actually it's a VERY bad miss from him or it's intentional, as I strongly believe it is. It would be harder to find the tempo again after an accidental early hit anyway, so, it must be intentional?

My guess is that song is really, really, boring to play on drums, especially in studio when you're not hearing the rest of the instruments, he was probably distracting himself somehow, like hitting the drums really hard, or something of that nature, and just missed. Instead of recording it again he told the engineer, "Just loop over that part" and they forgot, they put the song together and either nobody noticed, or it wasn't a big enough deal to go back and fix. It's far too random to be a mistake, especially since I've never heard anything like it in any other Stratovarius songs.

[lalodrums2]

intentional! He is my hero so sh** the fu** off!

JUST KIDDING!!

I don't know either, but sounds like a little progressive arrangement to me too.

Cheers everyoneeeeeeeeeeeeee from Monterrey mexico! (im already wasted, lol)

[Intiaani]

I don't know either, but sounds like a little progressive arrangement to me too.

In those two posts oh mine, I never said this. But now: yes.

Also, agree with it being very boring for a drummer.

[ggonza43]

Also, agree with it being very boring for a drummer.

What do you exactly mean?

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[foerg]

well, in munich jörg crashed BD by trying to bring a variantion to the speed... half a minute "every man for himself".

well, the bavarian beer...

[ggonza43]

I think like a lot of bands (specially trash/power metal) enjoy speeding the tempo of original songs, it's something to make the lie shows interesting and entertaining, and alos having more time for more songs.
Take the example of Metallica (saw them a week ago), they literally abuse of this, and they make songs like "For Whom The Bell Tolls" really different

[foerg]

i think you are right...

at wacken rocks festival they were so fast, that they could play visions (!) at the end...

but the variations, escecially by jens, are one reason i like stratovarius and one rason why i like them live and loud (and drunk...)

[ggonza43]

Strato live sure blows everybody's mind :headbang:!