Underrated guitar players?

[Plisken]

I like how people here cannot grasp the concept of subjectivism in art.

Not necessarily art, talent.
I do think Buckethead is an incredibly artistic guitarist, but that's subjective, what I'm arguing is that he is the most TALENTED guitarist to ever walk the face of the earth.


Also, what's subjectivity if you can't argue it?

If you want to continue...

He might be a great guitarist, but he does too many albums, and more albums means lower quality albums, so his talent can't shine.

Although I still think he sucks.

actually reason he has so many albums is because he is actually the number one go to guy for any guitar related music in the movie/tv industry. A lot of his albums are songs he has done for movies and tv shows.

I personally think buckethead is an amazing guitarist and musician. Its unfortunate you think he is mediocre and thats fine but what I think rebel is trying to do is show you your opinion has no real basis and that if you want your opinions to be taken seriously you have to explain why. For example rebel has told you exactly why he thinks buckethead is so good. All you said in return is its "my opinion"... while thats true you totally made your self look like you had no basis for your opinion other then he has a lot of albums... Thats why rebel might be a little frustrated.

Listen to these 2 songs by Buckethead in there entirety, I personally think these are his best 2 songs. His progression in both is amazing. They show his skill has a composer and a guitarist very well.
The songs start off slow but pick up speed quickly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adV8-_hg ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyKpoh1Y ... re=related

If after listen to these 2 songs you still think he is mediocre then please do tell what exactly made you conclude this.

(oh and lets not forget the guy was paul gilberts guitar student for like the longest time.)

[Rebel]

(oh and lets not forget the guy was paul gilberts guitar student for like the longest time.)

Only a year actually, and while I love those songs, they're by no means his most impressive.

[Balu]

I like how people here cannot grasp the concept of subjectivism in art.

Not necessarily art, talent.
I do think Buckethead is an incredibly artistic guitarist, but that's subjective, what I'm arguing is that he is the most TALENTED guitarist to ever walk the face of the earth.


Also, what's subjectivity if you can't argue it?

If you want to continue...

He might be a great guitarist, but he does too many albums, and more albums means lower quality albums, so his talent can't shine.

Although I still think he sucks.

actually reason he has so many albums is because he is actually the number one go to guy for any guitar related music in the movie/tv industry. A lot of his albums are songs he has done for movies and tv shows.

I personally think buckethead is an amazing guitarist and musician. Its unfortunate you think he is mediocre and thats fine but what I think rebel is trying to do is show you your opinion has no real basis and that if you want your opinions to be taken seriously you have to explain why. For example rebel has told you exactly why he thinks buckethead is so good. All you said in return is its "my opinion"... while thats true you totally made your self look like you had no basis for your opinion other then he has a lot of albums... Thats why rebel might be a little frustrated.

Listen to these 2 songs by Buckethead in there entirety, I personally think these are his best 2 songs. His progression in both is amazing. They show his skill has a composer and a guitarist very well.
The songs start off slow but pick up speed quickly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adV8-_hg ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyKpoh1Y ... re=related

If after listen to these 2 songs you still think he is mediocre then please do tell what exactly made you conclude this.

(oh and lets not forget the guy was paul gilberts guitar student for like the longest time.)

Okay, now that someone, who makes valid points has come, this will actually be fun.
While I must admit, that he is a very talented guitarist, I don't think he reaches the level of let's say Malmsteen in neo-classical metal or Petrucci in progressive metal in any of the styles he is playing in, but that is probably because he doesn't limit himself to one. The reason I called him mediocre was simply that his music isn't interestng to me, that is totally subjective, and I can only form my opinion subjectively. The music itself isn't bad, but his composing skills aren't even close to true composing geniuses, like Devin Townsend or Arjen Lucassen (or even Timo Tolkki in power metal). His 'image' is a problem to me too (though not a big one), that whole bucket on head and mask, the themes of his albums (at least according to Wikipedia) etc. is just not my style.


I hope, this seems a bit better than what I did with Rebel, but actually trying to make a discussion is a lot better than calling me a moron and continuing worshipping the bucket-headed God.

[Plisken]

oh it was only 1 year? huh... damn the internet and its false information I saw somewhere it said it was like 4 years. Oh well makes more since if it was only a year.

As for the 2 songs, buckethead has a lot of amazing songs but if I had to choose 2 songs for someone who has never heard of buckethead those would be what I would pick. I know he has a lot more technically impressive songs but I wouldn't say that they are by "no means" his most impressive. They are some pretty impressive songs, maybe not his most impressive but enough so that buckethead plays them both at every show he does.

[Plisken]

Okay, now that someone, who makes valid points has come, this will actually be fun.
While I must admit, that he is a very talented guitarist, I don't think he reaches the level of let's say Malmsteen in neo-classical metal or Petrucci in progressive metal in any of the styles he is playing in, but that is probably because he doesn't limit himself to one. The reason I called him mediocre was simply that his music isn't interestng to me, that is totally subjective, and I can only form my opinion subjectively. The music itself isn't bad, but his composing skills aren't even close to true composing geniuses, like Devin Townsend or Arjen Lucassen (or even Timo Tolkki in power metal). His 'image' is a problem to me too (though not a big one), that whole bucket on head and mask, the themes of his albums (at least according to Wikipedia) etc. is just not my style.


I hope, this seems a bit better than what I did with Rebel, but actually trying to make a discussion is a lot better than calling me a moron and continuing worshipping the bucket-headed God.

I agree that he isnt at the level of Petrucci when it comes to his progressive metal stuff or the equivalent of Malmsteen in neo-classical metal but I never really put him on that scale though. Also once you get to certain point of skill, like buckethead, petrucci and malmsteen really it isnt about who is more skilled then the other. They have all mastered the guitar. Its about the music from that point one. Malmsteen and Dream Theater make music that using composition techniques everyone popular and everyone is familiar with. For good reason, its the best way to write and structure songs in my opinion.

This is also where we start seeing the difference between them and buckethead. Most of the time buckethead takes very different approch when writing his music. His composition and structuring of his songs can be very different and off putting as a result which I understand why someone might not like it.

Now that you explained exactly why you dont like him it totally makes sense. Composition wise lets compare his music with lets say paul gilbert. They are both guitarist who (often times for gilbert) play shows where its all about the guitarist. Now both of them write great guitar parts but Buckethead for the most part only right his parts really well. If you listen to the drums, bass or 2nd guitar they are all pretty underwhelming. Drums are almost always extremely basic (some songs dont even have drums) the bass is almost none existents and there is only a 2nd guitar in a few songs and even then still not doing much. Im not sure if he does it on purpose, it could be what he is going for.

Now take a look at pual gilbert. His guitar parts are amazing, his bass parts are intensely hard (has Billy Sheehan usually playing) the drums are very well written, catchy and technical (usually has mike portnoy playing) and his music is structured in a very appealing way.

So in the end it comes down to what you personally think makes some one more skillful. If you think being able to play any genre well and being able to write music in a way in a sort of more experimental way is what makes skill then buckethead is your choice.

But if you think that dedicating your self to one genre, perfecting your self at it. Writing truly amazing and fresh music using the tried and true composition formula most metal uses today is what makes someone more skilled then paul gilbert is who you would choose.

I like buckethead but I do like the more familiar style of composing that dream theater, malmsteen, and gilbert a lot more.

[Balu]

Okay, now that someone, who makes valid points has come, this will actually be fun.
While I must admit, that he is a very talented guitarist, I don't think he reaches the level of let's say Malmsteen in neo-classical metal or Petrucci in progressive metal in any of the styles he is playing in, but that is probably because he doesn't limit himself to one. The reason I called him mediocre was simply that his music isn't interestng to me, that is totally subjective, and I can only form my opinion subjectively. The music itself isn't bad, but his composing skills aren't even close to true composing geniuses, like Devin Townsend or Arjen Lucassen (or even Timo Tolkki in power metal). His 'image' is a problem to me too (though not a big one), that whole bucket on head and mask, the themes of his albums (at least according to Wikipedia) etc. is just not my style.


I hope, this seems a bit better than what I did with Rebel, but actually trying to make a discussion is a lot better than calling me a moron and continuing worshipping the bucket-headed God.

I agree that he isnt at the level of Petrucci when it comes to his progressive metal stuff or the equivalent of Malmsteen in neo-classical metal but I never really put his on that scale though. Also once you get to certain point of skill, like buckethead, petrucci and malmsteen really it isnt about who is more skilled then the other. They have all mastered the guitar. Its about the music from that point one. Malmsteen and Dream Theater make music that using composition techniques everyone popular and everyone is familiar with. For good reason, its the best way to write and structure songs in my opinion.

This is also where we start seeing the difference between them and buckethead. Most of the time buckethead takes very different approch when writing his music. His composition and structuring of his songs can be very different and off putting as a result which I understand why someone might not like it.

Now that you explained exactly why you dont like him it totally makes sense. Composition wise lets compare his music with lets say paul gilbert. They are both guitarist who (often times for gilbert) play shows where its all about the guitarist. Now both of them write great guitar parts but Buckethead for the most part only right his parts really well. If you listen to the drums, bass or 2nd guitar they are all pretty underwhelming. Drums are almost always extremely basic (some songs dont even have drums) the bass is almost none existents and there is only a 2nd guitar in a few songs and even then still not doing much. Im not sure if he does it on purpose, it could be what he is going for.

Now take a look at pual gilbert. His guitar parts are amazing, his bass parts are intensely hard (has Billy Sheehan usually playing) the drums are very well written, catchy and technical (usually has mike portnoy playing) and his music is structured in a very appealing way.

So in the end it comes down to what you personally think makes some one more skillful. If you think being able to play any genre well and being able to write music in a way in a sort of more experimental way is what makes skill then buckethead is your choice.

But if you think that dedicating your self to one genre, perfecting your self at it. Writing truly amazing and fresh music using the tried and true composition formula most metal uses today is what makes someone more skilled then paul gilbert is who you would choose.

I like buckethead but I do like the more familiar style of composing that dream theater, malmsteen, and gilbert a lot more.

I do agree with most of what you said, except the experimental part. I do like experimenting in music, in fact, it is one of the reasons why I like progressive (like Arjen Lucassen (with incorporating folk, classical, or even ambient elements in his music), Devin Townsend (can't even describe it honestly)and avant-garde metal, but somehow I still don't like Buckethead. The reason might be that I really love vocals in songs, and BH's music doesn't have that. I really don't know.

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:user: Behold, my latest pet

[adrian9]

I just want to point out two things.

1) there is a Huge Difference between "I dont like" and "he is mediocre"
is ok to not like something (there is people who dont like the beatles for heaven sake) but call somebody mediocre like I said previously is judging their capacity, like......"Jordan Rudess and Rick Wakeman are mediocre keyboard players" ......can you imagine that in a music magazine or press!?

so; if you dont like say....Stratovarius, that is ok!! but saying that the band is mediocre you´re going to have to prove your point pal.

2) its an undeniable truth that ynwgie is god, but he stays safe in one style, in my opinion, he does some bluesy things randomly , but thats it!
I gonna have to say that I like Buckethead the best for his versatility , because it takes some balls to left your comfortable zone and be able to play whatever music you get into.

[NeonVomit]

I like how people here cannot grasp the concept of subjectivism in art.

Not necessarily art, talent.
I do think Buckethead is an incredibly artistic guitarist, but that's subjective, what I'm arguing is that he is the most TALENTED guitarist to ever walk the face of the earth.


Also, what's subjectivity if you can't argue it?

Subjectivity can indeed be argued, as long as you don't try to portray it as objective.

Talent is subjective. Some people think Jackson Pollock was an incredibly talented visual artist, others thought he was a joke.

Last I checked, talent was not a quantifiable issue.

[Plisken]

I do agree with most of what you said, except the experimental part. I do like experimenting in music, in fact, it is one of the reasons why I like progressive (like Arjen Lucassen (with incorporating folk, classical, or even ambient elements in his music), Devin Townsend (can't even describe it honestly)and avant-garde metal, but somehow I still don't like Buckethead. The reason might be that I really love vocals in songs, and BH's music doesn't have that. I really don't know.

I didnt mean to say that experimental music is bad or anything. On the contrary I love experimental and avant-grade metal (bands like I wrestled a bear once and Arcturus). Having no vocals in metal does put a lot of people off, I personally prefer there to be vocals most of the time. Unless the songs are songs like stratovarius's stratrofortress, Holy Light or Stratosphere. But I still dont mind if i can get into the music. Bands like Plant X and people like buckethead I like in moderation. Not something I listen to always but something I listen to every now and then.

[Rebel]

Okay, now that someone, who makes valid points has come, this will actually be fun.
While I must admit, that he is a very talented guitarist, I don't think he reaches the level of let's say Malmsteen in neo-classical metal or Petrucci in progressive metal in any of the styles he is playing in, but that is probably because he doesn't limit himself to one. The reason I called him mediocre was simply that his music isn't interestng to me, that is totally subjective, and I can only form my opinion subjectively. The music itself isn't bad, but his composing skills aren't even close to true composing geniuses, like Devin Townsend or Arjen Lucassen (or even Timo Tolkki in power metal). His 'image' is a problem to me too (though not a big one), that whole bucket on head and mask, the themes of his albums (at least according to Wikipedia) etc. is just not my style.


I hope, this seems a bit better than what I did with Rebel, but actually trying to make a discussion is a lot better than calling me a moron and continuing worshipping the bucket-headed God.

I agree that he isnt at the level of Petrucci when it comes to his progressive metal stuff or the equivalent of Malmsteen in neo-classical metal but I never really put his on that scale though. Also once you get to certain point of skill, like buckethead, petrucci and malmsteen really it isnt about who is more skilled then the other. They have all mastered the guitar. Its about the music from that point one. Malmsteen and Dream Theater make music that using composition techniques everyone popular and everyone is familiar with. For good reason, its the best way to write and structure songs in my opinion.

This is also where we start seeing the difference between them and buckethead. Most of the time buckethead takes very different approch when writing his music. His composition and structuring of his songs can be very different and off putting as a result which I understand why someone might not like it.

Now that you explained exactly why you dont like him it totally makes sense. Composition wise lets compare his music with lets say paul gilbert. They are both guitarist who (often times for gilbert) play shows where its all about the guitarist. Now both of them write great guitar parts but Buckethead for the most part only right his parts really well. If you listen to the drums, bass or 2nd guitar they are all pretty underwhelming. Drums are almost always extremely basic (some songs dont even have drums) the bass is almost none existents and there is only a 2nd guitar in a few songs and even then still not doing much. Im not sure if he does it on purpose, it could be what he is going for.

Now take a look at pual gilbert. His guitar parts are amazing, his bass parts are intensely hard (has Billy Sheehan usually playing) the drums are very well written, catchy and technical (usually has mike portnoy playing) and his music is structured in a very appealing way.

So in the end it comes down to what you personally think makes some one more skillful. If you think being able to play any genre well and being able to write music in a way in a sort of more experimental way is what makes skill then buckethead is your choice.

But if you think that dedicating your self to one genre, perfecting your self at it. Writing truly amazing and fresh music using the tried and true composition formula most metal uses today is what makes someone more skilled then paul gilbert is who you would choose.

I like buckethead but I do like the more familiar style of composing that dream theater, malmsteen, and gilbert a lot more.

I do agree with most of what you said, except the experimental part. I do like experimenting in music, in fact, it is one of the reasons why I like progressive (like Arjen Lucassen (with incorporating folk, classical, or even ambient elements in his music), Devin Townsend (can't even describe it honestly)and avant-garde metal, but somehow I still don't like Buckethead. The reason might be that I really love vocals in songs, and BH's music doesn't have that. I really don't know.

BH has occasional vocals, but they're never standard. However, I think we've arrived at the conclusion that you really don't know much about Buckethead, and you're letting various prejudices like "Instrumental", or "Releases a lot of music", instead of really exploring the music.

[Balu]

Okay, now that someone, who makes valid points has come, this will actually be fun.
While I must admit, that he is a very talented guitarist, I don't think he reaches the level of let's say Malmsteen in neo-classical metal or Petrucci in progressive metal in any of the styles he is playing in, but that is probably because he doesn't limit himself to one. The reason I called him mediocre was simply that his music isn't interestng to me, that is totally subjective, and I can only form my opinion subjectively. The music itself isn't bad, but his composing skills aren't even close to true composing geniuses, like Devin Townsend or Arjen Lucassen (or even Timo Tolkki in power metal). His 'image' is a problem to me too (though not a big one), that whole bucket on head and mask, the themes of his albums (at least according to Wikipedia) etc. is just not my style.


I hope, this seems a bit better than what I did with Rebel, but actually trying to make a discussion is a lot better than calling me a moron and continuing worshipping the bucket-headed God.

I agree that he isnt at the level of Petrucci when it comes to his progressive metal stuff or the equivalent of Malmsteen in neo-classical metal but I never really put his on that scale though. Also once you get to certain point of skill, like buckethead, petrucci and malmsteen really it isnt about who is more skilled then the other. They have all mastered the guitar. Its about the music from that point one. Malmsteen and Dream Theater make music that using composition techniques everyone popular and everyone is familiar with. For good reason, its the best way to write and structure songs in my opinion.

This is also where we start seeing the difference between them and buckethead. Most of the time buckethead takes very different approch when writing his music. His composition and structuring of his songs can be very different and off putting as a result which I understand why someone might not like it.

Now that you explained exactly why you dont like him it totally makes sense. Composition wise lets compare his music with lets say paul gilbert. They are both guitarist who (often times for gilbert) play shows where its all about the guitarist. Now both of them write great guitar parts but Buckethead for the most part only right his parts really well. If you listen to the drums, bass or 2nd guitar they are all pretty underwhelming. Drums are almost always extremely basic (some songs dont even have drums) the bass is almost none existents and there is only a 2nd guitar in a few songs and even then still not doing much. Im not sure if he does it on purpose, it could be what he is going for.

Now take a look at pual gilbert. His guitar parts are amazing, his bass parts are intensely hard (has Billy Sheehan usually playing) the drums are very well written, catchy and technical (usually has mike portnoy playing) and his music is structured in a very appealing way.

So in the end it comes down to what you personally think makes some one more skillful. If you think being able to play any genre well and being able to write music in a way in a sort of more experimental way is what makes skill then buckethead is your choice.

But if you think that dedicating your self to one genre, perfecting your self at it. Writing truly amazing and fresh music using the tried and true composition formula most metal uses today is what makes someone more skilled then paul gilbert is who you would choose.

I like buckethead but I do like the more familiar style of composing that dream theater, malmsteen, and gilbert a lot more.

I do agree with most of what you said, except the experimental part. I do like experimenting in music, in fact, it is one of the reasons why I like progressive (like Arjen Lucassen (with incorporating folk, classical, or even ambient elements in his music), Devin Townsend (can't even describe it honestly)and avant-garde metal, but somehow I still don't like Buckethead. The reason might be that I really love vocals in songs, and BH's music doesn't have that. I really don't know.

BH has occasional vocals, but they're never standard. However, I think we've arrived at the conclusion that you really don't know much about Buckethead, and you're letting various prejudices like "Instrumental", or "Releases a lot of music", instead of really exploring the music.

I listened to some songs. They were boring and crappy for my taste. You still want me to listen to his music just because you say it's great? I don't give a crap. Go listen to Justin Bieber because millions of retarded teen girls say it's great.

[warrencurrymetal]

I dont think Shawn Lane is underrated, he is a master!!!
I have to say Tony Macalpine, that guys is amazing, his first album Edge Of Insanity is a Shred Must. the thing is that he makes his living in the shadows of Steve Vai.

Tony macalpine is one of the most talented men in music let alone guitar! The man can outplay most on both piano and guitar.

here is piano
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and here is guitar
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He can sing too, and he sounds kind of like timo tolkki
tmac owns all

[stratowerner]

I really like Alex Beyrodt from bands like Silent Force,Voodoo Circle,Primal Fear,Sinner great player.

[NeonVomit]

Brendt Allman from Shadow Gallery gets my vote. Dude rocks.

[adrian9]

Tony macalpine is one of the most talented men in music let alone guitar! The man can outplay most on both piano and guitar.

you got that right men!! tony is out of this planet!! I really dig his performance on his first album and more recently on the Steve Vai DVD live in astoria

here is a list of mother fuckers u guys should check it out

-David Chastain
-Jarno Keskine (kenziner)
-Vinney Moore
-Michael Lee Firkins

check you tube I guess all the material is there

[icecab21]

amusing video so ill add this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6NdmvdsIpk

[HinatAArcticA]

Oh Mike Oldfield...

I actually started playing the guitar because of him 7 years ago. I might post more stuff of him later. He's so SO awsome...

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