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miditek wrote:

Of course this is true that poverty also causes crime, but the correlation is clear. Non-religian morality is equally or even often better than religian (like in Canada)

Secular regimes have committed some of the most monstrous crimes in history- from the Chancellery to the Kremlin, and at many points in between.

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Carcass wrote:

miditek wrote:

Of course this is true that poverty also causes crime, but the correlation is clear. Non-religian morality is equally or even often better than religian (like in Canada)

Secular regimes have committed some of the most monstrous crimes in history- from the Chancellery to the Kremlin, and at many points in between.

We have no instrument for measuring all the good and evil secular and religious people have done. The question of which camp is more moral keeps popping up, but it's quite clear that it's unanswerable.

pneumonia wrote:Yes, it's becoming more and more stupid discussion.

miditek wrote:

Of course this is true that poverty also causes crime, but the correlation is clear. Non-religian morality is equally or even often better than religian (like in Canada)

Secular regimes have committed some of the most monstrous crimes in history- from the Chancellery to the Kremlin, and at many points in between.

miditek wrote:

Carcass wrote:

miditek wrote:

Secular regimes have committed some of the most monstrous crimes in history- from the Chancellery to the Kremlin, and at many points in between.

We have no instrument for measuring all the good and evil secular and religious people have done. The question of which camp is more moral keeps popping up, but it's quite clear that it's unanswerable.

You may have a point there, but the line between good and evil should be quite clear to most people. It's called having a conscience. Both the left and the right are trying to get political points from the shooting in AZ, which makes pundits on both sides equally despicable.

I mean, maybe a few years ago, we could all hear this stuff and laugh it off, because we think that "It'll never happen"

Rebel wrote:

miditek wrote:

Carcass wrote: We have no instrument for measuring all the good and evil secular and religious people have done. The question of which camp is more moral keeps popping up, but it's quite clear that it's unanswerable.

You may have a point there, but the line between good and evil should be quite clear to most people. It's called having a conscience. Both the left and the right are trying to get political points from the shooting in AZ, which makes pundits on both sides equally despicable.

Glenn Beck is an idiot, too. He may have several degrees, served in countless wars but still with that attitude he is a cold-hearted, judgmental, self-righteous prick idiot.
And, about Obamacare. We are already paying for folks bills who cannot financially pay for them. Every state has a type of bailout for hospitals who have unpaid bills on their books. More and more people are running up unpaid hospital and medical bills because they cannot pay. I don't know if some people realize it but half the people in USA are in bad, I mean TERRIBLE financial shape. And it STARTED during Bush's administration.

miditek wrote:

I mean, maybe a few years ago, we could all hear this stuff and laugh it off, because we think that "It'll never happen"

Oh, really?

I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made

I shouted out,
"Who killed the Kennedys?"
When after all
It was you and me

There's really nothing "new" in regards to what's going on in the country right now. The Pima County sheriff blaming "free speech" for the outrage, even though there are now reports that the shooter was already under investigation for calling in threats against local officials.

Sort of reminds me when Obungler called on people to "punish" their "enemies" when he was pushing through Obamacare, despite the fact that the majority of voters were against it.

Rebel wrote:

miditek wrote:

I mean, maybe a few years ago, we could all hear this stuff and laugh it off, because we think that "It'll never happen"

Oh, really?

I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made

I shouted out,
"Who killed the Kennedys?"
When after all
It was you and me

There's really nothing "new" in regards to what's going on in the country right now. The Pima County sheriff blaming "free speech" for the outrage, even though there are now reports that the shooter was already under investigation for calling in threats against local officials.

Sort of reminds me when Obungler called on people to "punish" their "enemies" when he was pushing through Obamacare, despite the fact that the majority of voters were against it.

Republicans who didn't condemn the glorification of murder from people like Sharon Angle and Glenn Beck have no right to distance themselves from someone who did what they all talked about doing.

miditek wrote:
Just like Obama cabinet officials that praise, Mao, for instance? I've yet to see Beck glorify murder- got a link to one of his episodes on Fox News where he's doing that?

The left was spewing bullshit at the right for eight years during the Bush 42 administration. Fuck them, and no need for them to start crying now. The only thing that is going to solve the differences between the left and the right is another civil war. If you'd bought stock in Speer or Remington ten years ago, you'd be a millionaire today.

NeverendingAbyss wrote:The shooter is Jared Loughner. He likes Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto (whaaaat a combo).

Kecos wrote:

miditek wrote:the fact that the majority of voters were against it.

[citation needed]

miditek wrote: One of the more amusing ironies of this entire saga is the fact that the shooter has been descibed as a dope-smoking lefty by his former college classmates!

robocop656 wrote:Was he raised in the house of representatives?

NeonVomit wrote:Again, people are dicks regardless of what they believe, as they feel it justifies them using the deaths of innocent people for a political end.

This guy is clearly off his head in any case.

robocop656 wrote:It's the most famous debate against Atheists. HITLER WAS ATHEIST!

robocop656 wrote:

robocop656 wrote:It's the most famous debate against Atheists. HITLER WAS ATHEIST!

I'm quoting myself.

The term blood libel is generally used to mean the false accusation that Jews murder Christian children to use their blood in religious rituals, in particular the baking of matzos for passover.

That false claim was circulated for centuries to incite anti-Semitism and justify violent pogroms against Jews. Ms. Palin’s use of the phrase in her video, which helped make the video rapidly go viral, is attracting criticism, not least because Ms. Giffords, who remains in critical condition in a Tucson hospital, is Jewish.

Rebel wrote:

robocop656 wrote:

robocop656 wrote:It's the most famous debate against Atheists. HITLER WAS ATHEIST!

I'm quoting myself.

propaganda, Hitler did that purely to scapegoat someone for The Great War