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Well, I feel like I'm my worst enemy with this commentRazielSR wrote:But, regarding MP:
You and gonza are -of course- MP lovers, (I like MP a lot too, one of my fav drummer), but not as a person, where I think it's more or less the same or worst than TT in his maniac Stratodays).
You are stating that he left the band because the comercial oriented of the other guy. I can't believe what I'm reading. Don't you know that it's exactly the opposite? You both are the two first persons I read saying that. I read two DT forums and other music forums and even the MP lovers says the man has lost his mind this time. Seriously, you seem to me like the TT clan around here two years ago.
The best for DT has been the departure of MP. If the next album is a flop, the band will dissapear soon, but now everybody is excited to see what the rest will offer.
. I'll never stop saying MP was a main screw in this machine we now still call Dream Theater; but I hate to say and agree with all of you guys when you say thath MP as a person is a great drummer. Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to see a new reborn band without him and I do hope they success, but I hardly see an exit to this: The band is already downhill, and it's hard to get back in the road UNLESS they do something similar Strato has done (although I don't like to compare bands, but couldn't thing of anything), and here's where I go to my next quote:From my point of view I see 2 possible resolution to this hell of a problem:RazielSR wrote:I agree that the best album is Awake, but many people think it is another. That's not important. And is not important either if you don't feel emotion in that solo or you don't like BC&SL (incredible, seriously). The most important is that you are just clearly attacking a band with wrong arguments. I just think you are tired of this band, like everybody when is listening to a band so many years and it doesn't matter if the band change or not, it will be the same for you again. You (well many people, me included) would like to hear another SFAM of 6DOIT, or Awake, but If that happens,I'm sure 95% of people will be angry cause DT is using the old formula again showing how uninspired they are.
You forgot the ideal resolution: fans realise that there are bands out there that are a LOT better.ggonza43 wrote:Well, I feel like I'm my worst enemy with this commentRazielSR wrote:But, regarding MP:
You and gonza are -of course- MP lovers, (I like MP a lot too, one of my fav drummer), but not as a person, where I think it's more or less the same or worst than TT in his maniac Stratodays).
You are stating that he left the band because the comercial oriented of the other guy. I can't believe what I'm reading. Don't you know that it's exactly the opposite? You both are the two first persons I read saying that. I read two DT forums and other music forums and even the MP lovers says the man has lost his mind this time. Seriously, you seem to me like the TT clan around here two years ago.
The best for DT has been the departure of MP. If the next album is a flop, the band will dissapear soon, but now everybody is excited to see what the rest will offer.
From my point of view I see 2 possible resolution to this hell of a problem:RazielSR wrote:I agree that the best album is Awake, but many people think it is another. That's not important. And is not important either if you don't feel emotion in that solo or you don't like BC&SL (incredible, seriously). The most important is that you are just clearly attacking a band with wrong arguments. I just think you are tired of this band, like everybody when is listening to a band so many years and it doesn't matter if the band change or not, it will be the same for you again. You (well many people, me included) would like to hear another SFAM of 6DOIT, or Awake, but If that happens,I'm sure 95% of people will be angry cause DT is using the old formula again showing how uninspired they are.
* The band releases another mix-up of the same music, fans get tired and dissapointed with the band, they split up
* The band goes back to their roots with yet a slight change into a proggier direction, many elder fans are pleased they haven't forgotten where they come from, many newer fans are pleased to see the band is changing into something better
Here we go againBalu wrote:You forgot the ideal resolution: fans realise that there are bands out there that are a LOT better.
:Don't worry, I don't. : Dggonza43 wrote:Here we go againBalu wrote:You forgot the ideal resolution: fans realise that there are bands out there that are a LOT better.
I was giving those resolutions for FANS, don't know if that word sounds familiar to you. I'm not denying that there are bands that might/are better than DT, but I just don't see a reason to go into a topic titled "Any DT fans?" and a clearly non-fan person start talking shit about that band. Don't expect anybody to be nice at you
?But what's the point of that? I mean, I really love Strato, but if they ever do something bad, I can admit that it is bad.ggonza43 wrote:...Because that's what fanatism means maybe
. And it's OK to critizice the band you follow: I've always said, being a Strato fan, that their self-titled was total crap and that didn't mean I stopped loved them. But I've never said there were a lot more better bands than they (there sure might be), because one bad album doesn't make a band badAm I the new Ragehead?ggonza43 wrote:You're the new icecab
He had a better taste. : <Rebel wrote:Am I the new Ragehead?ggonza43 wrote:You're the new icecab
Gather-up people, here it comes round 3Balu wrote:He had a better taste. : <Rebel wrote: Am I the new Ragehead?
!True, but I consider that BC&SL is an excelent album. I'm not fanatic, I ALWAYS speak by myself, and about my taste. By saying that BC&SL is good and that TCOT is amazing, I'm not being fanatic, I'm just talking about my taste. I think it is more a fanatic behaviour when you don't accept the band if a member leaves. Many people will not listen to Elysium just because TT is not in (that's pathetic imo). You have to listen and say if you like it or not and take your decisions, that's all. I will listen the new DT. If i like it, I'll be happy, if not, the album will have some spins in my stereo and ipod and will be enough.Balu wrote:But what's the point of that? I mean, I really love Strato, but if they ever do something bad, I can admit that it is bad.ggonza43 wrote:...Because that's what fanatism means maybe
Actually, BC&CL is a decent album, was worth a few listens to me but nothing more. Out of the new 'similar' DT albums, I like Octavarium the most I think though.RazielSR wrote:True, but I consider that BC&SL is an excelent album. I'm not fanatic, I ALWAYS speak by myself, and about my taste. By saying that BC&SL is good and that TCOT is amazing, I'm not being fanatic, I'm just talking about my taste. I think it is more a fanatic behaviour when you don't accept the band if a member leaves. Many people will not listen to Elysium just because TT is not in (that's pathetic imo). You have to listen and say if you like it or not and take your decisions, that's all. I will listen the new DT. If i like it, I'll be happy, if not, the album will have some spins in my stereo and ipod and will be enough.Balu wrote:But what's the point of that? I mean, I really love Strato, but if they ever do something bad, I can admit that it is bad.ggonza43 wrote:...Because that's what fanatism means maybe
About the new DT album, many people will be just listening to hear how it sounds without MP, in the next weeks the "truth" will be the one to decide the fate of the band. If you ask me NOW: I'm really excited to hear it and I REALLY think the band will be ok. The same feeling will dissapear if I don't like it, but that doesn't mean I'll be right or wrong.
And I'm sure, completely sure that if a band release BC&SL (the best charting album by DT) you all would be amazed and wooooooooooow. But it's DT, a band playing for around 26 years and we are all tired of listening (well, not me).
For example, NEW prog bands that I like are Circus Maximus or Seventh Wonder. I like these bands a lot, but I can't say I like them more than DT. And you can be sure that I'd like a lot to feel it, just because they are the future. But at the moment, I can't say it. Maybe in a few years, yes.
Here we have our friend gonza that is sick of thinking about DT without MP. I understand, it's really strange, but fuck it, the man is now starting a new project and plenty of hope and he is happy now. Why should I be angry now? Fuck, this is music, we should enjoy. Two years ago, when I thought about Stratovarius without Tolkki I get mad around here, I felt destroyed. But fuck it, he is with new projects and bands and the rest are releasing albums. Why should I be angry? NO.
Of course, it will never be the same, never. The Episode-Visions times are gone, the Awake-SFAM-6DOIT are gone, but that does not mean you can live a new era with the same intensity and plenty of fun. that's what I wanna find, If I don't find it here, I'll just go away.
For example, Edguy for me SUCKS since Rocket Ride. Some years ago Sammet made me laugh a lot, now I hate the stupid things he make. Of course that doesn't mean the band is worst, is it worst for me and better for another people. But , for me the band is over. To compare Mandrake of Hellfire Club with Rocket Ride or TinnitusSanctus is just pure madness. Then you have people who loves it,of course I think that those people are mad and know nothing about music. My decision? Bye bye Edguy, you are over. You can be happy with your path and I can be happy with mine.
I mean, it is all about taste and your emotions/moments in life. But I think there's one thing clear: in DT the "nowadays MP" wasn't wanted. Why? Soon, time will tell. For better or for worse.
You surely take your time when wanna talk serious my friendRazielSR wrote:True, but I consider that BC&SL is an excelent album. I'm not fanatic, I ALWAYS speak by myself, and about my taste. By saying that BC&SL is good and that TCOT is amazing, I'm not being fanatic, I'm just talking about my taste. I think it is more a fanatic behaviour when you don't accept the band if a member leaves. Many people will not listen to Elysium just because TT is not in (that's pathetic imo). You have to listen and say if you like it or not and take your decisions, that's all. I will listen the new DT. If i like it, I'll be happy, if not, the album will have some spins in my stereo and ipod and will be enough.
About the new DT album, many people will be just listening to hear how it sounds without MP, in the next weeks the "truth" will be the one to decide the fate of the band. If you ask me NOW: I'm really excited to hear it and I REALLY think the band will be ok. The same feeling will dissapear if I don't like it, but that doesn't mean I'll be right or wrong.
And I'm sure, completely sure that if a band release BC&SL (the best charting album by DT) you all would be amazed and wooooooooooow. But it's DT, a band playing for around 26 years and we are all tired of listening (well, not me).
For example, NEW prog bands that I like are Circus Maximus or Seventh Wonder. I like these bands a lot, but I can't say I like them more than DT. And you can be sure that I'd like a lot to feel it, just because they are the future. But at the moment, I can't say it. Maybe in a few years, yes.
Here we have our friend gonza that is sick of thinking about DT without MP. I understand, it's really strange, but fuck it, the man is now starting a new project and plenty of hope and he is happy now. Why should I be angry now? Fuck, this is music, we should enjoy. Two years ago, when I thought about Stratovarius without Tolkki I get mad around here, I felt destroyed. But fuck it, he is with new projects and bands and the rest are releasing albums. Why should I be angry? NO.
Of course, it will never be the same, never. The Episode-Visions times are gone, the Awake-SFAM-6DOIT are gone, but that does not mean you can live a new era with the same intensity and plenty of fun. that's what I wanna find, If I don't find it here, I'll just go away.
For example, Edguy for me SUCKS since Rocket Ride. Some years ago Sammet made me laugh a lot, now I hate the stupid things he make. Of course that doesn't mean the band is worst, is it worst for me and better for another people. But , for me the band is over. To compare Mandrake of Hellfire Club with Rocket Ride or TinnitusSanctus is just pure madness. Then you have people who loves it,of course I think that those people are mad and know nothing about music. My decision? Bye bye Edguy, you are over. You can be happy with your path and I can be happy with mine.
I mean, it is all about taste and your emotions/moments in life. But I think there's one thing clear: in DT the "nowadays MP" wasn't wanted. Why? Soon, time will tell. For better or for worse.
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. You just need to understand it was very soon and out of the blue. And maybe you are right, after their new record I would totally have forgotten about MP, and still enjoy the band's music. Let's hope the best for themit comes across to me as saying he tries to copy bon jovi when you call him pseudo bon jovi.that pseudo-Bon Jovi gets really on my nerves!