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Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 8:50 am
by Luca
Well, I haven't read an insult to metalheads! His tone is not respectful, I agree, and the reason is the same he criticize: MONEY!
Men, I guess he's finishing his money, that's why he's angry. But he didn't say that metalheads are stupid, though of course he thinks so. The worst part to read for me was the "FUCK YOU" attack to those who downloaded the album instead of buying it: dear Michael, what do you think? That people would have gone by thousands buying your Supared album? I always download few songs before deciding if the CD is worth enough to be bought... The new Kotipelto for example. I didn't like the songs I heard, too simple and banal though good anyway. But I decided not to buy the album.
And another thing Michael: don't spit NOW on Helloween's period, don't forget that Kiske will always be a metal singer or nothing for fans, and even for me... Kiske? = Eagle Fly Free!!!!
And don't forget that Keepers albums sold over a million of copies worldwide (1.600.000 if I remember right...) so don't come here and insult everyone that didn't want your Supared album. Supared is nothing, Helloween is The Legend of power metal '80.
Re: Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 3:42 pm
by Cristiane
Luca wrote:
Supared is nothing, Helloween is The Legend of power metal '80.
Hey Hey!! You go Luca!
I agree with you. Kiske was kind of fool thinking that metalheads would like his pop music, I mean, people know him as a melodic metal singer, so obviously his fans are metalheads expecting him to sing melodic metal or any other style of metal music. To be honest I could never expect him singing pop songs with electronic elements. That really sucked on my ears. I didn't dowloaded the entire album... just a feel songs made me find it pure crap. So what's the deal? I'd never buy something that I'd never listen to.
And I got mad with him everytime he starts bashing Helloween. I'm surprised he left Weiki out of his statement. He loves to say that Weiki is arrogant, that he's this or that... blablabla... it's so easy to put the fault of all your problems on someone else.
Re: Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 6:18 pm
by MAJINDIEGO
Majindiego powers up, turns into a Super Sayajin, starts a Booga Flashing and melts whatever was left of Fenrir´s brain...
Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 6:28 pm
by StratoHeart
That's right, Cris. It's easier than to asssume his own mistakes.
I think you cannot make country music to reach the reggae music fans, for an example. What the hell Michael Kiske was looking for with his album? It's a pop album, to the pop fans. The problem is that there is so bad taste music in the album that even those ones didn't like it. But what we can do? We are metal fans, we want to hear metal music, and we will not buy (or even download) an album like this.
We have nothing to do with his ruin. Still he open his mouth to spit shits about us. It smells like jealousy.
He still is the best melodic metal singer ever, but his attitudes suck. So, I will join some people here: fuck Kiske.
Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:39 am
by The_Trooper
After reading his statements, I understood the reason why Helloween made such awful albums as Pink Bubbles Go Ape and Chameleon. If Kiske was not identified with metal at that time, why did he put the band in the crisis it was in the early 90's when these two albums were released?
I don't agree with his attitude of indirectly saying that metal sucks and he will surely lose many fans that admire him as the best Helloween singer ever.
As Cristiane said, I also like non-metal bands. I was introduced to rock n' roll by listening to Bon Jovi and I like very much their songs until today. I know that many people will want to kill me because of that, but I don't give a fuck! Just why you love metal bands such a Strato, Helloween, Angra, etc., you are prohibited to admire other rock stlyles too? I love Bon Jovi, Guns N' Roses, Aerosmith, Skid Row, Pearl Jam... and I'm also a METAL fan!
I really think this stupid prejudice should be swept aside and I'm sure that those who have it would enjoy many things in hard rock, for example, if they'd give it a try...
Coming back to Kiske's words about those who downloaded his music, FUCK-OFF KISKE!
Re: Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:50 am
by Stealth
Fenrir wrote:
I ALMOST FORGOT...FUCK THE CREATOR OF THIS FUCKIN POST!
Oh you are just being nice
I send you all my love and lots of kisses :luv3:
Re: Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:35 am
by Dreamspace
The_Trooper wrote:
After reading his statements, I understood the reason why Helloween made such awful albums as Pink Bubbles Go Ape and Chameleon.
What are you talking about??!!! Yeah, "Pink Bubbles" not very strong, but "Chameleon" is a FANTASTIC album, absolutely fucking unbelievable! There's no other album like "Chameleon". Maybe it's not Metal, but it surely done with heart and soul. People who want to record anything MUST STUDY "Chameleon" as a state-of-art example of recording, songwriting and production.
To be honest, I don't like your board too much, guys. Sometimes you seem thick as a brick and so goddamn high on yourselves. Sorry.
Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:30 pm
by Cristiane
Well, let's be honest... "Pink Bubbles.." isn't a good ablum... I don't like it at all, I only like the song "The Chance", though that was made by Roland "Poodle" Grapow.... argh...
"Chameleon" also isn't a good album, it's tottaly experimental. For me there's only one good song in there, that's Longing, written by Kiske. That's a Non-Metal song but it's fucking amazing! I really love that song, and that's an example how you can make a non-metal song and still sound good.
I do believe that all the songs had the Kiske influence, cause he didn't want to make metal anymore, that's why that album sold so bad between the metal fans. And it's stupidity recording a pop album to metal fans... there's no other reason to explain why those albuns sold so bad.
And I disagree with you Dreamspace, Chamaleon for sure was very well produced, but if it didn't reach the people it was made for, it means nothing.
Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:35 pm
by StratoBOB
I will do just one paralel.
When Bruce Dickinson left Maiden he wanted to do something different than metal . You know , records like Balls To Picaso and Skunkworks ares way different from what Bruce did before . But step after step he turns his music back to his rooods with AOB and CW . Right now all we know waht Bruce did. I think one day Kiske will sign again some heavy stuf . Until now I will be happy to hear his voice in some ballad duetes . His voice is powerful in the ballads and I'm sure someday he will sing for some TT stuf again.
Re: Re: Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:56 pm
by jean_luc_picard
Dreamspace wrote:
The_Trooper wrote:
After reading his statements, I understood the reason why Helloween made such awful albums as Pink Bubbles Go Ape and Chameleon.
What are you talking about??!!! Yeah, "Pink Bubbles" not very strong, but "Chameleon" is a FANTASTIC album, absolutely fucking unbelievable! There's no other album like "Chameleon". Maybe it's not Metal, but it surely done with heart and soul. People who want to record anything MUST STUDY "Chameleon" as a state-of-art example of recording, songwriting and production.
To be honest, I don't like your board too much, guys. Sometimes you seem thick as a brick and so goddamn high on yourselves. Sorry.
and to be honest, you may have misunderstood most of us. you should give yourself a little bit more of time to understand the community before judging a it as a whole. Don't you think?
Re: Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:33 am
by Luca
As Cristiane said, I also like non-metal bands. I was introduced to rock n' roll by listening to Bon Jovi and I like very much their songs until today. I know that many people will want to kill me because of that, but I don't give a fuck! ]
HEI, I EVEN LIKE THE BLACKEYED PEAS, IF IT'S FOR THAT. I LIKE EVEN BLINK 182. I LIKE THE RASMUS. I LIKE MANY DIFFERENT ARTISTS OF MANY KINDS OF MUSIC. WHY DO YOU THINK WE NOW WILL KILL YOU?
NEVER BE NARROW-MINDED. MY FAVOURITE BAND IS CHILDREN OF BODOM, BUT SOMETIMES I DO LIKE EVEN POP-ROCK MUSIC, WHEN IT'S DONE WITH FEELINGS.
AH, CHAMELEON SUCKS....IMO
PINK BUBBLES.... NOT TOO BAD BUT NOT A MASTERPIECE AT ALL.
Re: Re: Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 7:31 am
by The_Trooper
Luca wrote:
HEI, I EVEN LIKE THE BLACKEYED PEAS, IF IT'S FOR THAT. I LIKE EVEN BLINK 182. I LIKE THE RASMUS. I LIKE MANY DIFFERENT ARTISTS OF MANY KINDS OF MUSIC. WHY DO YOU THINK WE NOW WILL KILL YOU?
NEVER BE NARROW-MINDED. MY FAVOURITE BAND IS CHILDREN OF BODOM, BUT SOMETIMES I DO LIKE EVEN POP-ROCK MUSIC, WHEN IT'S DONE WITH FEELINGS.
AH, CHAMELEON SUCKS....IMO
PINK BUBBLES.... NOT TOO BAD BUT NOT A MASTERPIECE AT ALL.
That's it...
Re: Re: Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:01 pm
by Fenrir
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Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:18 pm
by NordicStorm
Have you people learnt nothing from the stuff that's being going in the Stratovarius camp lately? People, that includes artists, say a lot of stuff. If you like their musical output, why would it matter what they say (so long it's not nazi propaganda and the like you'd be obliged to object to on moral grounds)? And if you don't like their musical output...uuh, why would it matter what they say?
Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:05 am
by johnnyingrstrv
I think that Kiske will always rule with his voice and his style ... a really cool person
Re: Re: Re: Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2004 6:08 am
by Dreamspace
jean_luc_picard wrote:
: and to be honest, you may have misunderstood most of us. you should give yourself a little bit more of time to understand the community before judging a it as a whole. Don't you think?
Hey, I'm not judging!!! I'm just saying that as a person who doesn't visit too frequently, I'm under the impression that people here are usually quite aggressive towards each-other. "Fuck you, no fuck YOU, and fuck you too and fuck this and fuck that..." - not very friendly, is it?
As I said, I don't really mind, since I'm not here too often, but maybe that's the reason why?
And, sorry, "Chameleon" rocks and there's nothing you can do to change my mind.
Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:04 pm
by neonlightchild
Kinda late for him, don´t you think?
Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 7:11 am
by svensson
My final comment: fuck Kiske!
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You really don't know what you're saying. He's got complete control of his life and he doesn't wanna sing metal anymore, let him be.
I believe you think that due to you being a river plate's fan. Waiting for this Thursday? You're going down!!!!!
We'll kick your ass like we always do
Re: Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 8:41 pm
by Stealth
svensson wrote:
My final comment: fuck Kiske!
You really don't know what you're saying. He's got complete control of his life and he doesn't wanna sing metal anymore, let him be.
I believe you think that due to you being a river plate's fan. Waiting for this Thursday? You're going down!!!!!
We'll kick your ass like we always do[/quote]
You mean like you did last time?
Abbondanzieri is gonna have some work to do today...
Re: Re: Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 9:21 pm
by svensson
You mean like you did last time?
Abbondanzieri is gonna have some work to do today...
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We'll see...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:02 am
by MAJINDIEGO
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Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:33 pm
by antonio
fuck this post..
it really sucks..
who are you to criticize one of the best singer, in my opinion...
p.s. music is not only metal..
understand me!
Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:52 pm
by Mystical
Fight4Freedom wrote:Heavy metal
is the law!
Heavy metal or no metal at all!
Wimps and posers leave the hall!
Heavymetal battlecry, hey hey hey...
Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:03 pm
by StragOvariuS
THREAD...
Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:30 pm
by Beast_Pete
They listened too much to Legions.
Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:24 pm
by nepi
I didn't read all these lines - I wasn't here for 3 days and I shall read too much... But I think I know what Kiske said: Metal is bad, destroys your soul and heart, music for paranoia people etc. I have read any statement in german.
But my things, what I have to say here is: Mr Kiske would play a Helloween-Reunion show with Kai Hansen and the other Helloween-guys. So I am really confused: He says metal is bad and devil's music and on the other side he would play an reunion-show and sing metal songs? so the fuck up!
I respect his deeds and what he has done with Helloween (fucking masterpieces) but now, he's too confused. Shall find himself for the first before he makes more mistakes....
Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:37 pm
by MaFiaBoY
I don't see what's so rvolting in Kiske's statement. In fact I agree with him 100%.
Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:09 pm
by StragOvariuS
nepi wrote:But my things, what I have to say here is: Mr Kiske would play a Helloween-Reunion show with Kai Hansen and the other Helloween-guys. So I am really confused: He says metal is bad and devil's music and on the other side he would play an reunion-show and sing metal songs?
Yes...
Why? Wow, its simple...pay the whore that she will ****, capiche?
Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:30 am
by nepi
StragOvariuS wrote:nepi wrote:But my things, what I have to say here is: Mr Kiske would play a Helloween-Reunion show with Kai Hansen and the other Helloween-guys. So I am really confused: He says metal is bad and devil's music and on the other side he would play an reunion-show and sing metal songs?
Yes...
Why? Wow, its simple...pay the whore that she will ****, capiche?
Are you sure? I think he still has enough money from the Keeper-album...
Re: Kiske's "truth"
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:25 pm
by StragOvariuS
nepi wrote:StragOvariuS wrote:nepi wrote:But my things, what I have to say here is: Mr Kiske would play a Helloween-Reunion show with Kai Hansen and the other Helloween-guys. So I am really confused: He says metal is bad and devil's music and on the other side he would play an reunion-show and sing metal songs?
Yes...
Why? Wow, its simple...pay the whore that she will ****, capiche?
Are you sure? I think he still has enough money from the Keeper-album...
Yeah man...im pretty sure, see the Place Vendome project, its AOR(hard rock)Kiske told that NEVER would sing heavy music...but, oh my god! haha...did it. Here in brazil was involved in another project, but this one was heavy metal and? hmm...Metal never more? ahaha...i saw this history many times.