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Dave wrote:But you have the luck to know that he loves you back. You don't have to spend nights with thinking what his feelings are like, you don't feel like a toy that lands in the corner when it's getting boring.. Be happy of your situation, always make the best out of it.. As long as it's possible..

Totally agree with you...

Forget-me-not wrote:Have you heard about existential loneliness? According to this theory, man is irresistibly solitary. He is born against his will and when he dies he is doomed to meet death face to face. And during his life he is absolutely lonely, and even if it seems to him that somebody entirely understands him, it is temporary and transient feeling, unity with somebody is momentary. To flee from solitude is useless..

As an anthropologist wannabe, I have to disagree with this. Human beings are social beings as much as they are biological beings. No one wants to be alone all the time, and I don't think it's impossible to flee from solitude. I think there are people who understand you, but I guess that for someone to feel exactly the way you feel most of the time, that person would have to be your clone, and would you really want to live among people who are identical to yourself? That would be boring and not cool at all.

@ Bathory Killcraft: You got Morgana's posts wrong, which is understandable because you probably don't know what she is referring to.

stratoplayer wrote:

Miguel_Ricardo wrote:am I the only one that didn't think about suicide when reading what Morgana posted ? or am I just a bit retarded

Nope, but suicide is a viable option for me, don't get me wrong, I'm talking terminal and excruziating disease, I'd gladly drive my katana through my throat than have others miserable about me being in pain for years slowly wasting away, thats not living in my book.

i am somehow through these situation, but in a projected way, i mean, my uncle is sick, a terrible disease, and probably he's about to die sooner or later due to that fact...the problem is that everyone but him knows what he has, because we know him, he is a little bit weak and the psichologist told us that if he knew about his disease he'd probably drop his strenght down.
It is even harder for the ones who love him (including me of course), so i decided that if i ever fall sick... in terminal matters, suicide would be nothing but a wise movement

I agree with both of you, stratoplayer and neonlightchild. But in those terminal situations, I would use the term euthanasia rather than suicide. Encarta defines euthanasia as "painless killing to relieve suffering: the act or practice of killing somebody who has an incurable illness or injury, or of assisting that person to die." I think that suicide refers more to depression and mental state.

well, yeah, i meant suicide as a way of dying, not necessarily killing yourself, but just dying

Forget-me-not wrote:Have you heard about existential loneliness? According to this theory, man is irresistibly solitary. He is born against his will and when he dies he is doomed to meet death face to face. And during his life he is absolutely lonely, and even if it seems to him that somebody entirely understands him, it is temporary and transient feeling, unity with somebody is momentary. To flee from solitude is useless..

I don't agree with this theory. I know it of course, It's my profession. But I prefer to agree with another theory. Didn't you hear about E. Fromm or A. Maslow? They were humanistic scientists, humanistic psychologists. Everybody needs to be with someone. Love is salvation of our life. As for me, I feel good only if I know that somewhere there's a person who thinks about me and cares about me. Even if he too far away from here.

I feel that a single human being can trascend his/her pain on pure strength of will, sure a significant other is a great help (or a really really good friend in my case) but I believe that a mentally and spiritually (not religiouse, just inner peace and such) can overcome anything.

Stealth wrote:@ Bathory Killcraft: You got Morgana's posts wrong, which is understandable because you probably don't know what she is referring to.

Well, my intention was not to refer to her post specifically but comment on depression generally. A great number of depression cases - especially in younger age - relates to love life, rejection and dissapointment and sometimes bullying. When you are a teenager your main problems are usually girls and school. Everything else is more or less set up for you; someone else is providing for you. At a later age however things become serious; you come face to face with health problems, unemployment, social security and physical loss.

To put it this way; I used to have a friend who threatened to commit suicide after she broke up with her boyfriend (for whatever reason). And I used to know (indirectly) two brothers who lost both their parents in a period of one year. Both were students in high school, totaly dependent to their parents financially. Now what can you say to them? How can you compare the loss of life to a break up? I don't think you can.

That's why I think it is too shelfish and perhaps spoilt to be like that over a break up - or whatever reason related to love and relationships. Real life out there can be much more cruel than that. Be thankful for what you still have, your health, your family, your friends and cherish it every single day.

Bathory, I agree, but the point is that no one here ever referred to a break up. I think it's a little out of context, that's all, but yes, I certainly agree with what you said.

Stealth wrote:Bathory, I agree, but the point is that no one here ever referred to a break up. I think it's a little out of context, that's all, but yes, I certainly agree with what you said.

Yeah I understand, I only use the term break up as an example. What I imply is all the possible disapointments stemming from a relationship. Be it a break up or being unable to be with the person you love and loves you. I understand how serious is for the individuals involved but in the big scheme of things it is not very important, at least in my opinion.

To Morgana&Stealth:
It's not surprising for me, I haven't found anyone who'd entirely agreed with this theory.. I still searching for

"However, all theories are worth each other. There is one among them, according to which everyone will get that in what he believes" (M. Bulgakov.)

i have felt all of that many times over i know how you feel
im feeling that now, i have just been dumped by the man i was madly in love with, he said he doesnt love me and never will, im heartbroken, i will never get over this

Morgana wrote:What do you do when your world is breaking down?

When I see such scenery I feel that my world is breaking down..

http://ft.fotoplenka.ru/ft/79/28/92879/ ... 7aa4d9.jpg

Forget-Me-Not, because your world is forest, yes?

I walked in the forest yesterday from the morning until deep evening. And I had a real rest of all troubles that I have now. My stomach didn't hurt me, my body neither, my breath was easy and pleasant... And despair disappeared for awhile...

Not only, but it takes a sizeable place in my world. And I took this picture not far from my house. This power transmission line is built provide several cottages of rich people with electric power!!

Forget-me-not wrote:When I see such scenery I feel that my world is breaking down..

http://ft.fotoplenka.ru/ft/79/28/92879/ ... 7aa4d9.jpg

Spring has come, and birch sap trickles out from stumps, like blood from wounds. Trees die upright

Forget-me-not wrote:

Forget-me-not wrote:When I see such scenery I feel that my world is breaking down..

http://ft.fotoplenka.ru/ft/79/28/92879/ ... 7aa4d9.jpg

Spring has come, and birch sap trickles out from stumps, like blood from wounds. Trees die upright

Damn! I don't know what's with you people and darkness. It's like you enjoy dark, depressing, melancholic, rainy, foggy, grey and cold sceneries.

Stealth wrote:Damn! I don't know what's with you people and darkness. It's like you enjoy dark, depressing, melancholic, rainy, foggy, grey and cold sceneries.

Can person enjoy any other scenery? I can't just look at my photoes I am more of a "night creature" than any other person here, I live in certain kind of darkness

Forget-me-not wrote:

Forget-me-not wrote:When I see such scenery I feel that my world is breaking down..

http://ft.fotoplenka.ru/ft/79/28/92879/ ... 7aa4d9.jpg

Spring has come, and birch sap trickles out from stumps, like blood from wounds. Trees die upright

The blood of this forest has been shed... now it cries for vengance, any kind of vengance, the worst kind of vengance...

Forget-me-not wrote:

Forget-me-not wrote:When I see such scenery I feel that my world is breaking down..

http://ft.fotoplenka.ru/ft/79/28/92879/ ... 7aa4d9.jpg

Spring has come, and birch sap trickles out from stumps, like blood from wounds. Trees die upright

If you translate that it actually sounds a lot like Molinos de Viento of Mago de Oz

Morgana wrote:Have you ever been hurt?
Have you ever been abandoned?
Have you ever been truly scared?
Have you ever felt you don't belong here?
Have you ever you don't have a home?
Have you ever felt you don't have a chance?

Why in my case is true??

Paola wrote:

Morgana wrote:Have you ever been hurt?
Have you ever been abandoned?
Have you ever been truly scared?
Have you ever felt you don't belong here?
Have you ever you don't have a home?
Have you ever felt you don't have a chance?

Why in my case is true??

Because it's true in most of cases

Stealth wrote:

Forget-me-not wrote:

Forget-me-not wrote:When I see such scenery I feel that my world is breaking down..

http://ft.fotoplenka.ru/ft/79/28/92879/ ... 7aa4d9.jpg

Spring has come, and birch sap trickles out from stumps, like blood from wounds. Trees die upright

Damn! I don't know what's with you people and darkness. It's like you enjoy dark, depressing, melancholic, rainy, foggy, grey and cold sceneries..

Why do you think I am delighted by this scenery? I have lived all my conscious life near this forest, and I can say I know every tree here. I am happy when I see the first flowers, awaken chipmunk, birds of passage, who came back. But I can’t dissemble rubbish, burnt ant hills, culled flowers and corpses of dogs… And when I see trees fallen I feel despair.

I enjoy dark woodland sceneries like this http://irc-galleria.net/view.php?nick=S ... d=34886817, but not that on my picture.

To Kain´s seventh son : Thanks for understanding! If only dead trees could wreak vengeance...

Forget-me-not wrote:

Paola wrote:

Morgana wrote:Have you ever been hurt?
Have you ever been abandoned?
Have you ever been truly scared?
Have you ever felt you don't belong here?
Have you ever you don't have a home?
Have you ever felt you don't have a chance?

Why in my case is true??

Because it's true in most of cases

We can also say that Hopelessness is a state of our minds...in that case.