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@Patricia : yeah, I think these matches would be really great and interesting. But, imho, the finals will be Portugal against Germany, unfortunately. Portugal has more better player than the french team and has a common playing, whereas France hasn't.

@nepi : I'm still hopeful too.

@NeonVomit : Hm, maybe next year.^^

NeonVomit wrote:
Too bad about Equador, I think they could've done much better against Portugal than England

Czech Rep.... that was a shock! I was thinking they'd make it to the final 4...

yup i know, they are a pretty good team and i wanted to see a surprising world cup.

Czech was a shock indeed... i mean, they have an asweone team! and did an amazing job in Euro 2004

That's why you don't have to trust the FIFA's list of best countries:

Czech Rep was 2nd, and USA was 5th!!

I thought those were the countries that were gonna make it to finals




Anyways in 2002 the 1st one was France (cuak) and the 2nd was Argentina (cuak)

Miguel_Ricardo wrote:That's why you don't have to trust the FIFA's list of best countries:

Czech Rep was 2nd, and USA was 5th!!

What the hell was FIFA thinking? I understand about Czech Rep, I had very high hopes for them but USA 5th?! Since when did they achieve ANYTHING in football? They had a decent showing in 1998, but 2002 they only scored ONE goal and lost all their matches.... kind of like this time around! What the hell?

This evening's winner will be the next World Champion, I think... Germany or Italy.

stratohawk wrote:This evening's winner will be the next World Champion, I think... Germany or Italy.

That's pretty much what I've been saying for almost a week. Of course, you never know, but at least in theory, I think that today's winner will probably win the World Cup.

Stealth wrote:

stratohawk wrote:This evening's winner will be the next World Champion, I think... Germany or Italy.

That's pretty much what I've been saying for almost a week. Of course, you never know, but at least in theory, I think that today's winner will probably win the World Cup.

I think so that if today´s winner is Germany, then it will win the whole world cup too.

But if Italy wins, then they might just be able to win half a Cup.

Italy won! my grandma is freaking happy, she is Italian and i am happy too

bah! I wanted it to go to penalties and for italy to lose

I'm happy too !!

Great Italy !

No one will win in this year!!!!!! You know why???? Coz they notised that actually Finland Should be there where german is coz Litmanen said that...."I Think that we are best but if something is sure then, It will be sure" (He haven't said anything ) So the nato decided to black mail germany to stop soccer games.....Well that is dirty truth!


Don't ask me how nato affects in this case......

Damn..

fuck! fuck! fuck! fuck! fuck! fuck! fuck! fuck!fuck! fuck! fuck! fuck!fuck! fuck! fuck! fuck!fuck! fuck! fuck! fuck!fuck! fuck! fuck! fuck!fuck! fuck! fuck! fuck!fuck! fuck! fuck! fuck!

FORZA ITALIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

My grandparents are really happy toooooo !!!!!!!!!!





But at the same time I feel bad for Odonkor, that guy runned like hell against Arg and Ita, that's the spirit!



Anyways, now what will happen tomorrow?? I beleive Portugal will beat the Frenchs

Wow. Congrats to the Azzuri, they played well.

Let's see if Zidane can recreate Saturday's magic tomorrow against Portugal.

I renew this :

cliff wrote:

Please people, pray that France lose vs Portugal.
It's so scary in here (France) : nowadays, EVERYBODY talks about how great is the team and how they support it and how great football is (causing mass-hysteria and riots).

Well, there was a lot of overconfidence surrounding the German team and German fans. I honestly haven't seen any team in the Cup so far that played really good football, and if you think so, then you haven't watched international games from 20 years ago. The truth has finally been revealed: Germany doesn't have anything. All of their individual players suck (Podolski, Klose and Ballack are stars?!? I think not; they are three among MANY like them). And before you say that I'm being biased, Argentina's team play sucked too. The problem with Germany is that this sudden feeling of overconfidence after getting some good results at home made almost every German think that they were going to win for sure. Klinsmann was praised as a great leader, for some reason unknown to me.

Dave wrote:Nah anyway.. Germany will beat Argentinia 6:0 on friday, so i have no reason to feel unhappy

Deutschland Deutschland !!!! Mit dem Herzen in der Hand, und der Leidenschaft im Bein, werden wir Weltmeister sein !!

btw: germany won already '54, '74 and '90, see:

54 x 74 - 1990 = ......

Warrior of Hell wrote: we will kick Argentina`s ass Klose, Podolski.... one of then will shoot 2 goals! 2-0 the result

final against brazil... 4-1 because they suck!

stratohawk wrote:YESSS!!!! OOOOHHH YYYEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's celebrate, my friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I still cannot believe it.... Let's celebrate Jürgen Klinsmann - he is the one and only!!!!!!!

As an Italian citizen, I can only tell all of you this: Up yours! (hopefully you know what this means).

Ai tedeschi: Non piangere troppo per favore! FORZA ITALIA!!!

YES YES YES!! HAPPY HAPPY ITALY WON WOOO HOOOOO YAY AND SO ON.....

NOOO!!! Damn, that they won, but they played better than the Germans, who didn´t play so good and specially Klose was quite lame...

Anyway, must support Portugal today like hell. They has to win France...

Stealth wrote: All of their individual players suck (Podolski, Klose and Ballack are stars?!?

Klinsmann was praised as a great leader, for some reason unknown to me.

I tell you one thing, my friend: Everybody in Germany knows that the indivdual players aren't as strong as the ones from other nations. But Lehmann was very strong as a goalkeeper, and don't mess with Klose - expect yesterday he was the best striker of the Championship so far. Anyways, you might have recognized that it was not the abilitys of the individual players, but the fact that they were (almost) the only team in this championship that REALLY played as a team. That was/is their strength.

If you say you don't know the reasons why Klinsmann was praised as a great leader, you didn't follow the development in football Germany over the last 10, 20 years (and I don't blame you, by the way ): German soccer was always slow, a little bit boring, not very fast and offensive. Klinsmann changed that, which was like a Revolution for German Football (even the international press has recognized this fact). And he formed a team with a great spirit and coherence. Weeks before the Championship, the German Boulevard press and lots of trainers and self-called experts bashed against Klinsmann. Now they praise him... I personally like him VERY MUCH, he is an honest (and I REALLY mean honest!!), natural, determined guy, and it would be the best for German Football if he'd stay, but in his case I really would doubt if it is the best decision. He definitely has not forget how the publicity treated him before the Championship.

Stealth wrote:Well, there was a lot of overconfidence surrounding the German team and German fans. I honestly haven't seen any team in the Cup so far that played really good football, and if you think so, then you haven't watched international games from 20 years ago. The truth has finally been revealed: Germany doesn't have anything. All of their individual players suck (Podolski, Klose and Ballack are stars?!? I think not; they are three among MANY like them). And before you say that I'm being biased, Argentina's team play sucked too. The problem with Germany is that this sudden feeling of overconfidence after getting some good results at home made almost every German think that they were going to win for sure. Klinsmann was praised as a great leader, for some reason unknown to me.

Dave wrote:Nah anyway.. Germany will beat Argentinia 6:0 on friday, so i have no reason to feel unhappy

Deutschland Deutschland !!!! Mit dem Herzen in der Hand, und der Leidenschaft im Bein, werden wir Weltmeister sein !!

btw: germany won already '54, '74 and '90, see:

54 x 74 - 1990 = ......

Warrior of Hell wrote: we will kick Argentina`s ass Klose, Podolski.... one of then will shoot 2 goals! 2-0 the result

final against brazil... 4-1 because they suck!

stratohawk wrote:YESSS!!!! OOOOHHH YYYEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's celebrate, my friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I still cannot believe it.... Let's celebrate Jürgen Klinsmann - he is the one and only!!!!!!!

As an Italian citizen, I can only tell all of you this: Up yours! (hopefully you know what this means).

Ai tedeschi: Non piangere troppo per favore! FORZA ITALIA!!!

whats wrong? Italy did an unfair thing to Frings! And the FIFA said, that this was a mistake, to block him in the semifinals! The game has been cheated before it started! And dont mess with Klose! Who shot 5 goals in the WC?!

The surprises keep on working! ^^

Let's see what Portugal can do now!

Warrior of Hell wrote:

Stealth wrote:Well, there was a lot of overconfidence surrounding the German team and German fans. I honestly haven't seen any team in the Cup so far that played really good football, and if you think so, then you haven't watched international games from 20 years ago. The truth has finally been revealed: Germany doesn't have anything. All of their individual players suck (Podolski, Klose and Ballack are stars?!? I think not; they are three among MANY like them). And before you say that I'm being biased, Argentina's team play sucked too. The problem with Germany is that this sudden feeling of overconfidence after getting some good results at home made almost every German think that they were going to win for sure. Klinsmann was praised as a great leader, for some reason unknown to me.

Dave wrote:Nah anyway.. Germany will beat Argentinia 6:0 on friday, so i have no reason to feel unhappy

Deutschland Deutschland !!!! Mit dem Herzen in der Hand, und der Leidenschaft im Bein, werden wir Weltmeister sein !!

btw: germany won already '54, '74 and '90, see:

54 x 74 - 1990 = ......

Warrior of Hell wrote: we will kick Argentina`s ass Klose, Podolski.... one of then will shoot 2 goals! 2-0 the result

final against brazil... 4-1 because they suck!

stratohawk wrote:YESSS!!!! OOOOHHH YYYEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's celebrate, my friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I still cannot believe it.... Let's celebrate Jürgen Klinsmann - he is the one and only!!!!!!!

As an Italian citizen, I can only tell all of you this: Up yours! (hopefully you know what this means).

Ai tedeschi: Non piangere troppo per favore! FORZA ITALIA!!!

whats wrong? Italy did an unfair thing to Frings! And the FIFA said, that this was a mistake, to block him in the semifinals! The game has been cheated before it started! And dont mess with Klose! Who shot 5 goals in the WC?!

Stealth, mi amigo, what's wrong about the germans being happy because of overconfidence ? We usually don't have many reasons to be happy, or at least we can't find any. Being proud of our country, showing our flag and singing our hymn is pretty difficult, and you exactly know why.

Let's start from basic: As a (half) german I can tell you, that we're not really happy people, let's say we can complain about pretty everything, though I guess almost every German would try to convince you of the opposite.. However, now it was finally cool to hang out german flags and be proud of our country.
After that terrible EM 2004 nobody believed that we would come this far, in fact most of the people even thought that we would already get wiped out in preliminary round. As stratohawk said, everybody was bashing Klinsmann for his decisions before WC, like taking Kahn out. I don't follow soccer that much, i can't really say whether Lehmann was a good "replacement" for Kahn.

That WC gave us much, I just hope that we don't give up everything now. Yet before WC started, there were campaigns like "Du bist Deutschland" which tried to give us back the feeling of a united nation, which tried to make us proud of ourselves again. Let's continue this way.

I still hope (secretly) that these ones will be this year's winners of the FIFA World Cup 2006.

stratohawk wrote:I tell you one thing, my friend: Everybody in Germany knows that the indivdual players aren't as strong as the ones from other nations. But Lehmann was very strong as a goalkeeper, and don't mess with Klose - expect yesterday he was the best striker of the Championship so far. Anyways, you might have recognized that it was not the abilitys of the individual players, but the fact that they were (almost) the only team in this championship that REALLY played as a team. That was/is their strength.

No! That's what I meant before, I don't think that Germany played well as a team. Germany has traditionally had strong physical teams, and this was one of their weakest teams in recent history. As I was talking on the phone with my dad, we agreed on that: they are not the strong complicated team they used to be. Sorry, I'm sure we have different opinions on what makes a good team; I think that Germany, both individually and collectively, was not a good team. But as I said before, I think that no team nowadays is really good, strong and agile.

@ Dave: What you say about feeling united, waving flags, etc. is more than ok with me. But in your overconfidence, some of you here started bullying on the other teams. So, feeling united and happy again is excellent. Just make sure than in your quest for unity, you don't restore the old feeling of superiority of many decades ago. Bullying other countries mixed with German slogans (Deutschland Deutschland !!!! Mit dem Herzen in der Hand, und der Leidenschaft im Bein, werden wir Weltmeister sein) is a sign of that. Well, the slogan alone isn't, but mixed with other comments, it can be.

And I don't see a reason or point for being proud of one's country.

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Stealth wrote:Just make sure than in your quest for unity, you don't restore the old feeling of superiority of many decades ago. Bullying other countries mixed with German slogans (Deutschland Deutschland !!!! Mit dem Herzen in der Hand, und der Leidenschaft im Bein, werden wir Weltmeister sein) is a sign of that. Well, the slogan alone isn't, but mixed with other comments, it can be.

Wow... we might disagree about sports, which is absolutely okay to me. But this quote here contains some of the biggest bullshit I read for a long time!!
I mean, did I miss something? Where did some German supporter bash against other nations? And what's with the supporters of other teams? I guess it's okay with everybody to wish your own country to win, and to write some small provocations - as long as everybody understands that it's not 100% serious.
You seem to have absolutely no clue about how we Germans deal with our difficult history, of how obedient we try to be in terms of Patriotism and stuff. Restoring feelings of superiority... I'm disappointed to read that. My friend, compare the German Anthem to all the other anthems of other nations. Whilst in many other ones the Nations are praised, often combined with prayers for strength and power, not seldom mixed with phrases of revenge, in the German anthem we only sing about Unity, Right and Freedom. This is only an example...
I'm very very disappointed to read such an injudicious trash. Ask the countless fans that visited our country. Ask them! None of them had problems to see that the Germans dare to hang out their National Flag again (a flag which has nothing to do with the Third Reich but with the democratic movement of 1848), to sing the anthem or some Football Songs. I have no idea where you got that impression from that some people try to "restore the old feeling of superiority" again. Of course also in Germany, Neofascistic groups do exist. But they absolutely had nothing to do with this world championship. Politicians were afraid that they could use the Cup as a kind of platform, to show the world their ideas. But this small group of fucking Nazis perished in the nation-wide enthusiasm for this team, for football, for our country.

Sorry, pal, you haven't realized how sensitive everyone in Germany is handling the difficult past of the 20th Century, and that the rest of the world is not afraid of a German country or German people getting on that bullshit of radical Nationalism again.

I don't want to be impolite, please don't misunderstand me. Maybe you exaggerated your formulation on purpose. But what you wrote hurt me.



Btw, Dave, I liked your post. In almost everyway what/how I think/feel. Nice observation, and also sense of humour. By the way, I'm also only half German. But it hits me in my heart if someone writes about us, that we should pay attention not to get in that attitude of "the past" again. Those people have no clue...

^^agreed

Maybe he talked about Warrior's post "final against brazil... 4-1 because they suck!" ? Although that hasn't got anything to do with "old feeling of superiority of many decades ago"..

100% agree about the hymn part, too. Of course, in those days and with a past like that the first verse of the Deutschlandlied doesn't sound that good anymore, but you have to mind the circumstances and the time in which that song was written.. Long before the 3rd Reich.
Other national hymns are about moving to the battle with axes and armies, ours is about unity, justice and freedom, drinking and dancing.

The little german phrase I wrote I took from a song from a little band, which has absolutely no "old feeling of superiority of many decades ago".. First: Do you know what it means in English ? Second: How can that offense other countries ?

stratohawk wrote:But Lehmann was very strong as a goalkeeper..

Agreed--the goalkeeping was very strong on Germany's side of the field yesterday. But the actual gameplaying just wasn't so good. Germany seemed to be having a serious problem with accuracy, which kept them from scoring AND ensured that they lost control of the ball to Italy's superior handling as often as possible.

However, I have to admit that I didn't think Italy would win, simply because Germany's team played such a fucking hard game that I figured they would either tire out the Italian team until they lost their heart, or just straight out injure everyone on the team until Italy could no longer play. I was really, really impressed with Germany's relentlessness and fortitude.