They did it again...

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Re: They did it again...

Post by JensJohansson » Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:39 pm

NeonVomit wrote: See, that's the thing. Israel (last time I checked, anyway) is a properly functioning democratic state that actually abides by principles such as the rule of law, separation of powers, executive accountability, that sort of stuff, right? So putting Israel's actions in contrast with places like Turkey (who as we know hardly has a shining track record) Russia (don't get me started) and China (ditto) kind of doesn't really work.
I agree. I think it's OK to hold democratic "Western" countries to a higher standard, too. In the end the West will be healthier and stronger for it.
...aaaaand scene. I would so dearly love for Hamas to have some sort of links with the PKK. That would make this whole thing even more sweetly ironic.
I would have loved for someone to load up a ship full of vegetables, blankets, bikinis, pork cutlets, Norwegian black metal CDs, gay porn and bibles.

That should hopefully just confuse everyone into being calm.

If that doesn't do the trick, they could put a huge-ass screen on the ship, and as it arrives to port (directly in Gaza of course) Lars Vilks could repeat his success as a movie projectionist:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyExaO4jzD0

I think Lars knows by now that nothing soothes Moslem rioters as nicely as showing a gay porn movie where the actors purportedly are wearing mohammed masks...

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Re: They did it again...

Post by robocop656 » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:13 am

That video was nuts. Even in my small town that I live in had muslims.(rednecks didn't take kindly) I'm pretty sure they can get a sponsor from one of these huge dildo manufacturers (dildo shaped like a pig for example, or pork scented lubricant) Gaahl can also fill the black metal/gay porn void in these peoples lives.

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Re: They did it again...

Post by NeonVomit » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:29 am

I can see it now, Hamas members running in terror from Abbath.
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Post by robocop656 » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:14 am

If you simultaneously watch faux news along with the oriley factor PLUS these 3 videos at once...you will foresee the future of the conflict.

http://vimeo.com/1908224

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmaHGY7BEog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1E6ApDTTro

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Post by browneyedgirl » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:37 am

Interesting links:

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/ne ... t-1.294382
Goes to show if you don't tempt fate, its often much kinder to you. No knife or axe bearing activists on this ship.

http://english.people.com.cn/90001/9077 ... 13913.html
Egyptian men married to Israeli women to be stripped of citizenship! Good Lord. :roll:

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/ne ... e-1.294388
Being angry is one thing, but some of this bullshit is going too far. It borders on fanaticism and obsession.

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Re: They did it again...

Post by miditek » Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:26 am

Turks complain about IDF interception of the "flotilla" bound for Gaza, and yet they neglect to take a look at their own sordid history-

The ill-fated ship "Struma"
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The ship, which was chartered during WWII to carry almost 800 Jewish men, women, and children from Romania to the Middle East lost power and was towed by the Turks and set adrift in the Black Sea. Shortly thereafter, the Struma was torpedoed by a Red Navy submarine, with the loss of all but one of the passengers.

A very sad footnote in history perhaps, but the hypocrisy of the "International Community" in general, and the Turks specifically, is pretty evident to me.

And in other news, those other unfriendly fanatics in this rough neighborhood, the Iranians, have offered to "escort" the next "aid" flotilla, in what is now being seen as an escalation. These people will never give up, as the story says Hamas official Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, the alleged mastermind behind the weapons smuggling into Gaza was assassinated by the Mossad earlier this year.

Iran offers to escort next aid convoy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ju ... aid-convoy

Personally, I think that this is more bluster coming from Tehran, but in the event that it is not, I'll put my money on IDF naval assets, and the fact that such a situation could also prove to be a target-rich environment of the IDF's air force, should Tehran decide to turn this into a naval confrontation.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyExaO4jzD0

I think Lars knows by now that nothing soothes Moslem rioters as nicely as showing a gay porn movie where the actors purportedly are wearing mohammed masks...
The cops over here would have positively kicked the shit out of the Muzz for attacking one in their own ranks. Hitting a cop over here; that is always a guaranteed ass-whipping, then a trip to the emergency room, and then felonious assault and battery, resisting arrest, obstruction of justice, and a veritable shopping list of other charges once the case ends up in court!
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Post by NeonVomit » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:11 pm

Uh, you don't have to look that far back in history for bad things the Turkish government has been involved in. Nobody is questioning their hypocrisy, and when the dust settles I can guarantee you that Erdogan is going to have some uncomfortable questions to answer. The article by Jonathan Head I posted a couple of pages back gives a pretty good analysis of the deal within Turkey.

And Iran is certainly not stupid enough to get involved in anything off the Israeli coast, that's just bluster. It is not in their interest at all, their goals don't need that sort of action. Besides, it would require an order from the Council of Experts of Iran (since the military answers to them, nobody else), and they're a lot smarter than most people give them credit for.
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Post by browneyedgirl » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:42 pm

Stop the hypocrisy about Israel

http://www.cnn.com/

Enjoy hypocrisy? This past weekend you could glut the appetite.

On Monday, Israeli ships stopped a flotilla carrying materials that could be used for war, including cement that Israel maintained could be used to build bunkers, to Hamas-ruled Gaza. The crew of one boat resisted violently, triggering a firefight in which nine people were killed, most of them Turkish nationals.

Turkey is protesting vigorously. But, question: Turkey is a NATO ally, an applicant to the European Union. What is it doing allowing its nationals to smuggle cement that could build bunkers? Especially when those nationals belong to a group, the Turkish IHH (Insani Yardim Vakfi) that Israel has designated a terrorist organization?

The flotilla departed from Turkish-occupied northern Cyprus. Turkey's occupation of half of Cyprus is deemed illegal by the European Union and the United Nations. If the government of Turkey feels so strongly about ending disputed occupations, why does it not start with the disputed occupation it is operating itself?

The flotilla followed a breathtaking Friday at the United Nations. The 189 signatories of the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty agreed on a final list of resolutions for a safer world. The nuclear threat from Iran? Unmentioned. Instead, the NPT resolution targeted -- what a surprise -- Israel.

Shamefully, the Friday resolution was joined by the United States. Yes, the Obama administration issued a statement at the same time that "deplores the decision to single out Israel" and also "the failure of the resolution to mention Iran." The administration deplored -- but it signed.

The Obama administration's signature marks an abrupt departure from previous U.S. policy. Since the 1960s, the United States has accepted Israel's nuclear arsenal on condition that Israel not threaten its neighbors. Israel has more than met that condition. In 1973, Egypt outright invaded Israel, in full confidence that Israel would not go nuclear so long as Egypt stopped short of attacking Israel's cities.

It's important to understand that Israel (like India and Pakistan) has never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. So Israel's nuclear force violates no commitments or pledges: unlike, say, the nuclear programs of Syria, Libya, Iraq and Iran, to name just four of the Middle Eastern countries that have been caught violating the NPT.

Iran by contrast is violating the NPT. Iran is the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism. And Iranian leaders have threatened to use the nuclear weapons they are seeking to annihilate Israel.

On Monday, the International Atomic Energy Agency reported that Iran has accumulated enough nuclear material for two bombs, when fully enriched. And the latest round of U.N. sanctions will do nothing to stop that bomb, because they omit the most crucial measures:

• A ban on exports of gasoline to Iran (Iran now imports half its gasoline)

• Measures to sever Iran's central bank from the global payments system

The measures adopted by the Security Council last week are not only toothless, but they even contain a loophole legalizing the sale of Russian air defenses to Iran, the better to protect nuclear facilities from action by the United States or Israel.

OK, so maybe it is not news that the U.N. system is hypocritical and useless. What is news is this: The Obama administration has broken with 40 years of precedent and has affixed its signature to a document suggesting that it is Israel's weapons -- not Iran's -- that ought to be priority No. 1 in the Middle East.

And now, post-flotilla, the Obama administration stands in danger of being drawn into the attempt to open Hamas-ruled Gaza to military-capable imports, and to force Israel to engage in some kind of negotiation with Hamas.

Former Ambassador to Israel Martin Indyk, who is close to Obama administration thinking, outlined in the New York Times Monday the contours of just such a deal:

"The administration needs to work on a package deal in which Hamas commits to preventing attacks from, and all smuggling into, Gaza. In return, Israel would drop the blockade and allow trade in and out."

It's a pretty thought. Pro-Hamas groups did not go to the trouble of organizing a flotilla of supplies that could be used for war in order to end smuggling of war material into Gaza.

Nor are pro-Hamas groups seeking to ship the material into Gaza in order to thwart future attacks on Israel. Rebuilding Hamas' bunkers is not a step toward peace.

But as with the Obama administration's joining the anti-Israel resolution at the United Nations on Friday, followed by after-the-fact explanations that Israel had nothing to fear, so the Obama administration is now being drawn into another anti-Israel action, again cushioned by assurances that, "This is for your own good."

Monday morning, ABC'S Jake Tapper reported an unnamed administration official promising "no daylight" between the United States and Israel.

But the same administration official who promised "no daylight" also told Tapper: "The president has always said that it will be much easier for Israel to make peace if it feels secure." Meaning: first we soothe you, then we squeeze you?

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