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Lurdi wrote:Such a shame how the Americans celebrated his death no matter who he was. It's nice how they are interested in these deals and know the names of those leaders but they don't even know where to place their countries

NO!! DO YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU WATCH ON TV TO BE TRUE?!?

Exactly like I predicted a couple of posts ago... 80 dead...

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... tml?hpt=T1

Cheerio,

Damien

Is that real? Like, actually what the Enquirer said? I haven't been to Shoppers in a while...

NeverendingAbyss wrote:Is that real? Like, actually what the Enquirer said? I haven't been to Shoppers in a while...

Yep, I saw it on the newspaper rack at the CVS Pharmacy near my house this morning, and couldn't resist taking a picture of it!

Lurdi wrote:Such a shame how the Americans celebrated his death no matter who he was. It's nice how they are interested in these deals and know the names of those leaders but they don't even know where to place their countries

You did not lose a loved one on 9/11 did you?

browneyedgirl wrote:

Lurdi wrote:Such a shame how the Americans celebrated his death no matter who he was. It's nice how they are interested in these deals and know the names of those leaders but they don't even know where to place their countries

You did not lose a loved one on 9/11 did you?

not only that, if someone kills a person you get either death penalty or a live in prison. this osama guy made himself proudly and public responsible for 3000 deaths...being shoot to death was too mercyful in my opinion.

adrian9 wrote:

browneyedgirl wrote:

Lurdi wrote:Such a shame how the Americans celebrated his death no matter who he was. It's nice how they are interested in these deals and know the names of those leaders but they don't even know where to place their countries

You did not lose a loved one on 9/11 did you?

not only that, if someone kills a person you get either death penalty or a live in prison. this osama guy made himself proudly and public responsible for 3000 deaths...being shoot to death was too mercyful in my opinion.

"you reap what you sow" "you make your bed, now lie in it" "cause and effect" "karma"
Maybe Osama should have been tied up in a skyscaper and had 2 jets fly into it, and he could've burned to death inside with no way to escape like those 3,000.

browneyedgirl wrote:

adrian9 wrote:

browneyedgirl wrote: You did not lose a loved one on 9/11 did you?

not only that, if someone kills a person you get either death penalty or a live in prison. this osama guy made himself proudly and public responsible for 3000 deaths...being shoot to death was too mercyful in my opinion.

"you reap what you sow" "you make your bed, now lie in it" "cause and effect" "karma"
Maybe Osama should have been tied up in a skyscaper and had 2 jets fly into it, and he could've burned to death inside with no way to escape like those 3,000.

yeah , and i also remember some Taliban guys , burning USA flags and celebrating those deaths...and to this day I ask myself, what the fuck did the USA to this people they hate them so much..I dont get it. I mean, Polish (or jews to be exact) people dont go out there creating terrorist groups to kill germans... this is way too stupid.
Osama is death and I raise my hand

put your hands up in the air, put your hands up inthe a-ir-!!!

The CIA killed Osama's father after the retreat of the Soviets.

I still need more information about this. All I know is that the CIA collaborated with Bin Laden during the Soviet invasion. Later some shit happened that made Osama mad at the US.

The bin Laden family were friends with the Bush mob. It is known. Maybe that is why GW did not go after Osama when he was President.

browneyedgirl wrote:The bin Laden family were friends with the Bush mob. It is known. Maybe that is why GW did not go after Osama when he was President.

so kill bush!! it was so simple! not really what the fuck......

adrian9 wrote:

browneyedgirl wrote:

adrian9 wrote: not only that, if someone kills a person you get either death penalty or a live in prison. this osama guy made himself proudly and public responsible for 3000 deaths...being shoot to death was too mercyful in my opinion.

"you reap what you sow" "you make your bed, now lie in it" "cause and effect" "karma"
Maybe Osama should have been tied up in a skyscaper and had 2 jets fly into it, and he could've burned to death inside with no way to escape like those 3,000.

yeah , and i also remember some Taliban guys , burning USA flags and celebrating those deaths...and to this day I ask myself, what the fuck did the USA to this people they hate them so much..I dont get it. I mean, Polish (or jews to be exact) people dont go out there creating terrorist groups to kill germans... this is way too stupid.
Osama is death and I raise my hand

put your hands up in the air, put your hands up inthe a-ir-!!!

@Adrian, the main reason why all the Koranimals were celebrating on 9/11 is due to the Islamic world's general hatred of what they see as a decadent and secular America (The Great Satan, as the ayatollahs have referred to us), in addition to America's longstanding alliance with Israel (whom the imams refer to as the Little Satan).

the main reason why all the Koranimals were celebrating on 9/11 is due to the Islamic world's general hatred of what they see as a decadent and secular America

lol, that's real cute coming from people who believe it's OK for guys to have as many "wives" as they want, treat their women like shit, and who behead people who they see as decadent, or disrespectful. Btw, that's why such a big deal is being made of Osama and his computer porn, he was one big hypocrite.
Why doesn't Islam rail against other countries(I won't mention their name)who have wide open wild sexuality, legal drugs, and criminal activities? For Allah's sake, America is not the only "unclean" country!

browneyedgirl wrote:

Lurdi wrote:Such a shame how the Americans celebrated his death no matter who he was. It's nice how they are interested in these deals and know the names of those leaders but they don't even know where to place their countries

You did not lose a loved one on 9/11 did you?

I seem to recall that something happened in Europe in the years between 1940 and 1945...

Oh yeah, that's right... 60,000,000 people died. Still, the French, the Dutch, the Belgians or the Czech (to name a few) weren't sending terrorist groups over to Germany to wreak havoc on the "Krauts" after the War. The Jews arrested Eichmann, and they took him to court, but they did not celebrate the misery he (among others) engendered through retaliation. That's what one would call dignity, I guess...

And how about Yugoslavia in the 1990's? A grand total of 400,000 people were killed, but I guess that pales in comparison to 3,000 dead stock brokers and bankers in the World Trade Centre. A human life is a human life, so I mourn the death of these people as well. But get your facts straight: the blackest decade in human history was the 1940's, and the stage was Europe. Compared to that both Pearl Harbour and 911 were mere hiccups. Please get over that notion that Bin Laden was the Hub of Evil, or whatever. That's myopic. I hate to say it, but in the grand scheme of things, 911 wasn't all that bad...

I'm glad that spoilt rich playboy Osama bin Laden is dead (although I'd much rather have seen him taken to court). But let's now start learning from history by addressing the real issues and turning off the television set first. Boy, am I an optimist or what?

Cheerio,

Damien

Didn't Bush say he went to Irak because he wanted to free the country from that horrible way of living? Why doesn't he bother to help Cuba that is right below the USA? The are in trouble too, they are hungry, they live in bad conditions...Ok, I know, because there isn't any oil for you. I don't know what the hell happens with the USA, it seems they want to solve everybody's problems? First try to sort out yours.
Bin Laden and his men might have killed many people but if we put in a balance who has killed more people, if Bin Laden or Bush (father and son, we'll see who continues with his personal revenge against the Islamists)who wins?
Have you ever heard of the Monroe Doctrine and the Manifest Destiny? It basically says that the USA would attack any intereference from Europe in your own affairs with the rest of the world. The rest of the world should also pass some laws like you. Nobody wants other people from foreign countries coming to your home and telling you how to live your life. Just let them live and forget about the rest of the world.If you attack first it is normal they defend themselves, or did they go to the USA and told you how to live your life? After all, you couldn't neither find nor get what you were looking for. And of course I am deeply sorry for all those victims on 9/11, but I am also sorry for all those innocent victims in Irak. I know what terrorism is because we have living with it in Spain for such a really long time. Violence is never justified, but if you really think this thing is really over you are wrong. Be prepared for what might come because after this death, they will also try to kick your ass.

browneyedgirl wrote:

the main reason why all the Koranimals were celebrating on 9/11 is due to the Islamic world's general hatred of what they see as a decadent and secular America

lol, that's real cute coming from people who believe it's OK for guys to have as many "wives" as they want, treat their women like shit, and who behead people who they see as decadent, or disrespectful. Btw, that's why such a big deal is being made of Osama and his computer porn, he was one big hypocrite.
Why doesn't Islam rail against other countries(I won't mention their name)who have wide open wild sexuality, legal drugs, and criminal activities? For Allah's sake, America is not the only "unclean" country!

Yes, you are right. But they have been doing it for thousands of years. Why now all of a sudden you are interested in sorting out their own problems? Don't you see there is an economic interest behind?
If you really want to help someone, you don't do it with violence. Why don't you defend the rights of black people whom you have literally massacred? Why don't you abolish the death penalty in all states? That is also inhumane. Why don't you help all those southamerican people coming to the USA looking for a better life? You see??? There are pleeeeeeeeeeeenty of things you could to to improve this world and make it a better place. There is no need to go to the other side of the world to solve somebody else's problems.
And look, this is the biggest contradiction a country has ever claimed:
''We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed'' Thomas Jefferson dixit.

Lurdi wrote:Didn't Bush say he went to Irak because he wanted to free the country from that horrible way of living?

No, he didn't. Where did you get that crazy idea?

Native Americans. You ever hear of Native Americans, Lurdi? It's deeper than black people, mexicans, and the death penalty. Nobody gives a shit about those things in America. To the people that do care, there are too few of them to care or change since the minority is midtek'd. You're also getting a really biased opinion thinking browneyedgirl represents americas opinion on things.

But get your facts straight: the blackest decade in human history was the 1940's, and the stage was Europe. Compared to that both Pearl Harbour and 911 were mere hiccups. Please get over that notion that Bin Laden was the Hub of Evil, or whatever. That's myopic. I hate to say it, but in the grand scheme of things, 911 wasn't all that bad...

The same skewed logic might could be applied to the 300 tornado victims who died in the South two weeks ago. I can just hear some smartass in the world saying,"What about the 200,000 who died in the 2005 tsunami, that tornado outbreak was not all that bad....."

I'd give both Lurdi and Damien each $100 in cash to tell what they posted on a forum IN PERSON to the loved ones of the 9/11 victims. I'd hope they both have good dental insurance.

@robocop, hon, if you truly feel that way about America, why are you here? I'd send you enough money for a one-way ticket to South America, the Netherlands, Egypt, or maybe even Libya if that would stop your complaining. Would you rather live in one of those places than USA? Do you really dislike it in USA that much?

browneyedgirl wrote:

But get your facts straight: the blackest decade in human history was the 1940's, and the stage was Europe. Compared to that both Pearl Harbour and 911 were mere hiccups. Please get over that notion that Bin Laden was the Hub of Evil, or whatever. That's myopic. I hate to say it, but in the grand scheme of things, 911 wasn't all that bad...

The same skewed logic might be applied to the 300 tornado victims who died in the South two weeks ago. I can just hear some smartass in the world saying,"What about the 200,000 who died in the 2005 tsunami, that tornado outbreak was not all that bad..."

These things are of a completely different nature than war and general misery inflicted upon human beings by other human beings.

browneyedgirl wrote:I'd give both Lurdi and Damien each $100 in cash to tell what they posted on a forum IN PERSON to the loved ones of the 9/11 victims. I'd hope they both have good dental insurance.

You may have missed a few crucial words in my post, so I'll repeat them here:

IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS

What annoys me about all the talk about Osama is the myopia, the preoccupation with current affairs and the lack of a grand perspective. I think that's almost a uniquely American problem. Don't get me wrong, I think America is a great country, but politically and historically many Americans seem to be a little... well.. less informed. By the way, did you know that Osama bin Laden was never formally charged with the 911 attacks? Also, did Osama's death and all the rejoicing over that bring back the people who died on September 11th, 2001? I wish people would try to see beyond the surface.

Like the great philosopher Oprah Winfrey always says, "Until we understand the past completely, we are forced to relive it..."

Cheerio,

Damien

Lurdi wrote:Didn't Bush say he went to Irak because he wanted to free the country from that horrible way of living? Why doesn't he bother to help Cuba that is right below the USA? The are in trouble too, they are hungry, they live in bad conditions...Ok, I know, because there isn't any oil for you. I don't know what the hell happens with the USA, it seems they want to solve everybody's problems? First try to sort out yours.
Bin Laden and his men might have killed many people but if we put in a balance who has killed more people, if Bin Laden or Bush (father and son, we'll see who continues with his personal revenge against the Islamists)who wins?
Have you ever heard of the Monroe Doctrine and the Manifest Destiny? It basically says that the USA would attack any intereference from Europe in your own affairs with the rest of the world. The rest of the world should also pass some laws like you. Nobody wants other people from foreign countries coming to your home and telling you how to live your life. Just let them live and forget about the rest of the world.If you attack first it is normal they defend themselves, or did they go to the USA and told you how to live your life? After all, you couldn't neither find nor get what you were looking for. And of course I am deeply sorry for all those victims on 9/11, but I am also sorry for all those innocent victims in Irak. I know what terrorism is because we have living with it in Spain for such a really long time. Violence is never justified, but if you really think this thing is really over you are wrong. Be prepared for what might come because after this death, they will also try to kick your ass.

Lurdi, your post reminded me of this brilliant Rowan Atkinson sketch...

Brilliant... "Over to you Adolf..."

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Cheerio,

Damien

browneyedgirl wrote: @robocop, hon, if you truly feel that way about America, why are you here? I'd send you enough money for a one-way ticket to South America, the Netherlands, Egypt, or maybe even Libya if that would stop your complaining. Would you rather live in one of those places than USA? Do you really dislike it in USA that much?

Huh? Opinions. Ever meet anyone who has a different one than you? That is the most redneck thing to say to anyone. YOU EITHER LIKE IT R GIT OUT. GIT R DUN. Why isn't your avatar a rebel flag with a shotgun across it?

Edit: You and your redneck friends are the ones who should move out if you think other people can't call you out when you are clearly wrong. FREEDOM, RIGHT? GIT R DUN.

Damien Thorn wrote:
You may have missed a few crucial words in my post, so I'll repeat them here:

IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS

What annoys me about all the talk about Osama is the myopia, the preoccupation with current affairs and the lack of a grand perspective. I think that's almost a uniquely American problem. Don't get me wrong, I think America is a great country, but politically and historically many Americans seem to be a little... well.. less informed. By the way, did you know that Osama bin Laden was never formally charged with the 911 attacks? Also, did Osama's death and all the rejoicing over that bring back the people who died on September 11th, 2001? I wish people would try to see beyond the surface.

Like the great philosopher Oprah Winfrey always says, "Until we understand the past completely, we are forced to relive it..."

Cheerio,

Damien

America is uninformed? HORY SHET!! Unfortunately, if you watch American TV too much and generalize, that is what your mindset will be.

KILL YOUR TV.

Damien Thorn wrote:I hate to say it, but in the grand scheme of things, 911 wasn't all that bad...

I hate to agree, kind of. One big reason why 911 was such a huge shock is that the distribution of wars in the 20th century were geographically highly unequal. There were no significant military conflicts in the western hemisphere (i.e. the Americas), with one exception, the Chaco war.

Whatever. Finland is world champion in ice hockey. I'm going to crack a beer can now.

so, they hate the way we americans (i mean, north and south americans, as one) and we dont understand neither like the way they live.............I get the feelin that we are destined to destroy each other.

robocop656 wrote:

browneyedgirl wrote: @robocop, hon, if you truly feel that way about America, why are you here? I'd send you enough money for a one-way ticket to South America, the Netherlands, Egypt, or maybe even Libya if that would stop your complaining. Would you rather live in one of those places than USA? Do you really dislike it in USA that much?

Huh? Opinions. Ever meet anyone who has a different one than you? That is the most redneck thing to say to anyone. YOU EITHER LIKE IT R GIT OUT. GIT R DUN. Why isn't your avatar a rebel flag with a shotgun across it?

Edit: You and your redneck friends are the ones who should move out if you think other people can't call you out when you are clearly wrong. FREEDOM, RIGHT? GIT R DUN.

I can see from your commentary that you are both ignorant and naive when it comes to anything about the South. Please feel free to post anything that you wish about Southerners as soon as your zit faced ass gets a job and moves out of yo mammie's basement.


What this? The ghost of General Nathan Bedford Forrest seen riding through the crowd at Järvenpää?

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Considering the economic state of many European countries(and many of them are in rapid financial decline), I think people in these countries have some gall to criticize USA about anything. These failing countries cannot blame USA for their mess, although I bet some will try. This time around the European Union is not going to bail out any more countries--they cannot afford it. So, before you throw your nasty shit toward USA, think about your own countries problems.

@Real cute, robocop. Stooping to personal attacks and insults. I thought you might be better than that. You are right about one thing. My husband and I do own a couple guns, and we are not ashamed of it.Because we know if a really bad catastrophic disaster occurs lazy soft people will come out of the cities in gangs looking for a way to survive. A couple of guys got themselves shot when they thought they could rummage through the tornado gutted areas looking for stuff to steal, and sell. Turns out these bastards were meth addicts looking for valuables people might've left behind. If it had been food these dopeheads were looking for they would have easily found it at all the relief centers that were set up.
The point is, Southerners have worked hard for their possessions, and be damned if any lazy no-good is coming in and taking it. So, you and your ilk can throw that Redneck word around all you want, it actually does not mean anything, only a total worthless smartass uses it. The term comes from the fact that ages ago poor Southerners used to work in the fields until their necks were red and sunburned. Hence, the term stuck. Of course it was meant as an insult because the rich spoiled Southerners had slaves to do their work.

@Real cute, robocop. Stooping to personal attacks and insults. I thought you might be better than that.

.......why?

I can see from your commentary that you are both ignorant and naive when it comes to anything about the South. Please feel free to post anything that you wish about Southerners as soon as your zit faced ass gets a job and moves out of yo mammie's basement.

Haha! I love it!

Now, Robocop. Comeback! I DEMAND a comeback!!

adrian9 wrote:so, they hate the way we americans (i mean, north and south americans, as one) and we dont understand neither like the way they live.............I get the feelin that we are destined to destroy each other.

I am sorry but, how can you compare northamerica and southamerica? I mean, they have nothing to do. If there are BIG differences in the USA from one state to the other, and even from one southamerican country to the other, imagine comparing southamerica to northamerica, that's ridiculous.
By the way, you say you don't understand the way the Islamists live, but maybe many people don't understand how (unfortunately) many southamerican countries have dictatorships.