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Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:03 pm
by mayhem-for-all
icecab21 wrote:why are the lyrics bothering you so much?
I just don't like them.
It is just my own opinnion but I usually don't like too direct love stories.
I like how he sings not what he sings.
Into the Blue is fine lyrically but nothing special and Dawn of Solace could have been better.
Lyrics are usually really important to me (Yet there are bands I can only listen to while ignoring the lyrics like Dragonforce or Teräsbetoni)
The lyrics just don't match wit the music and reading the rest of the titles I don't have high hopes (Stolen Waters

what!). Yet good lyrics are always just extra.
Good song has good melodies and good lyrics but if the lyrics are lacking it may still be OK.
a Terrible song is what it is even if it had the best lyrics ever.
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:44 pm
by RazielSR
The same here. The lyrics are really important to me and I don't like this kind of "direct" love lyrics (at least not in power metal).. It's just my taste, I prefer other kind of music/lyrics. Leaving the lyrics apart, I don't like the samples musically either...
Anyway it's cool to listen some different stuff and listen TK with another side projects.
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:14 pm
by shg
How different music listeners we are. I think the whole song is more important than words alone. It may be due to the fact that I do not understand all the lyrics perfectly. The terms and metaphors are difficult.
Finnish is my native language.
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:34 pm
by Ragehead91
I have no problem with the lyrics at all and I defenitly love the instrumental work. I'm very much looking forward to that release.
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:00 pm
by Irinia
I agree with Ragehead on this one.
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:13 pm
by icecab21
i'm not sure why some people need to call it power metal and then have some requirements for the way they box in the genre. The music has elements from all over the place.
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:18 pm
by Ragehead91
And about Kotis singing and the vocal melodies:
judging from the samples I like it way more than on Polaris. It all has a nice flow and Koti sounds really, well, "relaxed" if you will, compared to Polaris.
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:05 pm
by RazielSR
icecab21 wrote:i'm not sure why some people need to call it power metal and then have some requirements for the way they box in the genre. The music has elements from all over the place.
When I said powermetal, it was just because Jari made power metal usually and TK sings power metal usually. Not because I expect power metal from Cain's Offering or not. Anyway I suppose a lot of people, maybe, thinks about power metal if Jari and Tk are in the conversation...
For example Ragehead prefers this samples vs Polaris, and there's no problem, it's all about preferences and taste. That's all, and I don't like musically nor lyrically that samples. I think it's easy and I have nothing against this side project from TK.
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:23 pm
by icecab21
Sometimes I think there are only like ten Finnish names that everyone shares. This band has two jani's but no yari

Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:00 pm
by Mormegil
icecab21 wrote:Sometimes I think there are only like ten Finnish names that everyone shares. This band has two jani's but no yari

Yeah well, if English speaking countries had, say, even 500 different names, it would still leave us with more names per capita.

Btw, can any band beat Symphony X in this field; 3 out of 5 guys are called Michael?
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:26 pm
by RazielSR
lol Mormegil is right and Icecab is right too

Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:44 pm
by Ragehead91
I have the same feeling about sweden too. How many Johanssons do live their?
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:55 pm
by Florian
Scarlet Johansson

Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:59 pm
by Irinia
Ragehead91 wrote:I have the same feeling about sweden too. How many Johanssons do live their?
In Norway also: Jensen, Hansen, Olsen (all -sen names). Hehe
Hans Hansen etc..
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:29 pm
by hiro23
Every country has common names that they use a lot, I mean here in the states we have a ton of people named things like Jones,Adams,Smith
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:58 pm
by Ragehead91
Same in Germany. I'm to lazy to make a list...
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:47 am
by mayhem-for-all
icecab21 wrote:Sometimes I think there are only like ten Finnish names that everyone shares. This band has two jani's but no yari

all the musicians with the same name go to the same band.
There are no Janis on other bands but here there are 2.
Excalion has 2 Jarmos but I know no other band that has even one.
Leverage has 2 Pekkas But no Pekkas on other bands.
And so on...
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:05 am
by shg
I think it's about that the people would be about the same age in the bands and at certain times has been given to children similar names. You know what I mean? Name and elsewhere has always been one on fashion.
By the way, we are so far away of topic.

Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:14 am
by icecab21
looks like HIM at one point tied symphony x by having 3 mikkos if Jussi-Mikko gets to count as a mikko as well. They would have 4 members with mik as the first three letters as well
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:27 pm
by Ragehead91
I think Sonic Syndicate has 3 Sjunnessons.
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:50 pm
by hiro23
Edguy has 2 guys name Tobias
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:58 pm
by Ragehead91
hiro23 wrote:Edguy has 2 guys name Tobias
And a singer who thinks he is the secret love child of John Bon Jovi and David Lee Roth.
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:16 pm
by RazielSR
Ragehead91 wrote:hiro23 wrote:Edguy has 2 guys name Tobias
And a singer who thinks he is the secret love child of John Bon Jovi and David Lee Roth.
MWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHA
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:40 am
by Neferte
Ragehead91 wrote:And about Kotis singing and the vocal melodies:
judging from the samples I like it way more than on Polaris. It all has a nice flow and Koti sounds really, well, "relaxed" if you will, compared to Polaris.
I agree with you. Check out Tero Tolkki's review of Polaris:
http://terotolkki.blogspot.com/2009/07/ ... laris.html
"...A bit surprisingly the negative feedback this time goes to vocalist Timo Kotipelto. Singing itself is very good as always but somehow it seems that he was missing the "pusher" in studio...that being Timo Tolkki. For instance there are few parts in the album where his pronunciation is quite bad and those would have never gone through with Tolkki. And also few stretched words are missing the last letter. Well the ones that usually criticized Timo's pronunciation were Finns and I guess this time isn't exception either

..."
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:43 am
by Ragehead91
Neferte wrote:Ragehead91 wrote:And about Kotis singing and the vocal melodies:
judging from the samples I like it way more than on Polaris. It all has a nice flow and Koti sounds really, well, "relaxed" if you will, compared to Polaris.
I agree with you. Check out Tero Tolkki's review of Polaris:
http://terotolkki.blogspot.com/2009/07/ ... laris.html
"...A bit surprisingly the negative feedback this time goes to vocalist Timo Kotipelto. Singing itself is very good as always but somehow it seems that he was missing the "pusher" in studio...that being Timo Tolkki. For instance there are few parts in the album where his pronunciation is quite bad and those would have never gone through with Tolkki. And also few stretched words are missing the last letter. Well the ones that usually criticized Timo's pronunciation were Finns and I guess this time isn't exception either

..."
And as I've already said in another thread, I agree with Tero about that point.
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:03 am
by hiro23
I'm too bias, I like most anything TK or Jani does.
Yes I am willing to admit it
Re: Cain's offering: Some samples are available
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:06 pm
by RazielSR
Timo sings higher here than in Polaris, or it is just me?