Equinox wrote: LIVE AND LET LIVE.. . .
. .. .got that ^ points...
Equinox wrote: LIVE AND LET LIVE.. . .
MaFiaBoY wrote:No way, you can fin cheap CDs if you search a little. I found Episode, Visions and Destiny at 12€ each and that imo is not expensive at all. Even about 20€ for a CD is imo a reasonale price, if it's a good one, it's worth it. So I don't like piracy for that, the ones who do that take for free what others are paying, if no one were paying, there would be no music to downoload at all, so somewhat those who download a lot take advantage from the other's money, and that's what imo is not correct in all this.
fifthtea_sausage wrote:
Well I kinda agree with what Timo says.
It takes such an arrogant person to say X is bad.
I also think that downloading can be sometimes a good thing, for example when you hesitate to buy a cd, you download it and when it's bad you have saved your money, but when it's a good one then you MUST buy it instead of keeping it in your harddisk and listening to it, which is the thing that most people don't doAresius wrote: But i also download cds, i download complete discographys but that doesnt mean that i wont but cds! remember that some people dont have the money.
Personally i think that downloading cds is not bad but selling copied cds sucks!!! other people making many for what our favorite bands compose sucks!
AgreeAresius wrote: well i think that i speak for all of us than when we say: this band is bad or sucks... its just, a way of expressing our point of view or our taste its not like where are gods and we know what is right and wrong
You got that right, but that doesn't mean that is my religion.khamael wrote:Equinox wrote: LIVE AND LET LIVE.. . .
. .. .got that ^ points...
Many thanks for making such an awesome music.TimoTolkki wrote:Many thanks for buying our albums!!
Right back at ya, it is.khamael wrote:Mine neither it's a good mood to behave anyway.
Words of wisdom!TimoTolkki wrote:Feel free to start a "metal war", but I would rather prefer to see all the Warriors of Light united for one cause we all love: M E T A L!!!
You got it wrong.gerr wrote:to buy a CDbox with a cd inside with 10 songs with the same quality that you have in the computer, and with a mini book with the lyrics and some photos. The box and the cd can be copied for just 2 euros, so you pay 13 euros for a minibook... .
Amen to that, I agree 100%.cliff wrote:You got it wrong.gerr wrote:to buy a CDbox with a cd inside with 10 songs with the same quality that you have in the computer, and with a mini book with the lyrics and some photos. The box and the cd can be copied for just 2 euros, so you pay 13 euros for a minibook... .
one CD is MUCH more than just one booklet, one CD, and one CD case. It's months of writing, composition, conception, recording, mixing, producing, and a HUGE amount of money as a investissement.
Of course people can save lot of money with downloading, but think of it : if everyone would do that and never buy any CD (or even, like your case, just one CD every year), then you can expect the number of albums & bands to go down really fast.
Downloading is okay, if you want to listen to one album and be sure that you won't be disapointed by buying it, but it's a easy and selfish solution if you consider it like a treasure chest and get everything from it.
And I think 15€ is not a lot of money, if you really like the album.
(plus the fact that the prices of CDs in big musicstore are rather 19€ / 23€)
How many times do you listen one album ?
Some people spend 6€ for one pack of cigarettes that they waste in one day (and at the end it had brought nothing to them).
Some people can spend 60€ every week-end to parties and drinking.
Some people can spend 10€ to go and watch a movie in a theater.
Do you still think 15€ for one CD is a lot ? Sorry, but if you really like music and respect it as a art, you don't steal it.
That's right. Technology can brings good and bad.TimoTolkki wrote: That is what internet piracy is good for. It brings big record companies on their knees and will result in major attitude shift in music distribution in just a next few years.
Cd as we know it, will disappear in 5 years. We are living interesting times!!
Well, this "copy protection" can easily be broken but yeah, it's very annoying. If you have an album with it and want to make mp3s tu put on your iPod, no way. So basically you payed 15€ for an album you can't listen to whenever you want..cliff wrote:Okay, there is also that stupid "copy-protection" shit, but I'm 100% that this system will disapear really soon.
Well yeah, I don't see the point in paying to download. If you want to download, then do it for free and save your money, if you want to buy then buy the actual CD. And BTW, I am a "computer frek" too, but I buy all my albums, funnycliff wrote:Then, there are those legal downloading things (like iTunes), which I personally consider as a really good thing ! Of course, computer freaks will always say "why would I pay 10€ for one album, when I can have it for free through P2P ? ", and some other music lovers will say "for 18€, I can have the same album with the booklet and the CD case !"...
What music companies don't seem to understand, is that people like you or I, who pay 15/20€ for one album, we buy because we really respect the music, and we don't share it on those P2P, or make tons of copies. (actually it's great to burn one compilation for a couple of friends of yours, to introduce those bands to them). And those stupid protections are a threat for people who buy, because, like you said, they can't transfert those songs to their MP3 player.MaFiaBoY wrote: Well, this "copy protection" can easily be broken but yeah, it's very annoying. If you have an album with it and want to make mp3s tu put on your iPod, no way. So basically you payed 15€ for an album you can't listen to whenever you want..
cliff wrote: Well yeah, I don't see the point in paying to download. If you want to download, then do it for free and save your money, if you want to buy then buy the actual CD. And BTW, I am a "computer frek" too, but I buy all my albums, funny
The support is different, but at the end, you have exactly the same product (the album) !MaFiaBoY wrote:But if it's ony to get mp3 files, it's a bit expensive (10 € / album )
Yeah, you'll heve to buy them separately. Then the music will be 10€, the case 1€, the booklet 3€, the videos 6€ and so on... In the end it will be more expensive than the CD is nowadayscliff wrote:I guess someday you'll be able to download (and pay !) not only for audio tracks to listen to your portative player device, but also for the lyrics, booklet to be displayed on this player, plus some bonus video material. This is the future
no no, u didn't get my point.MaFiaBoY wrote: Yeah, you'll heve to buy them separately. Then the music will be 10€, the case 1€, the booklet 3€, the videos 6€ and so on... In the end it will be more expensive than the CD is nowadays
When I said that, I wasnt talking about me, of course I prefer buying the cd if I like it, I was talking about what people generally think, if you dont wach whats behind the album, you only see a booklet that costs 13 euros, of course on this 13 euros is not only the cost of the booklet there is a work... (I hope you understand me my english its fukin bad hehehee) well but when someone goes to buy a cd and it doesnt care about whats behind that album, he only sees a booklet for 13 euros, and of course, he doenst buy it, he downloads it, I think that this is a matter of marketting and labels should do something to atract people for buying a cdcliff wrote:You got it wrong.gerr wrote:to buy a CDbox with a cd inside with 10 songs with the same quality that you have in the computer, and with a mini book with the lyrics and some photos. The box and the cd can be copied for just 2 euros, so you pay 13 euros for a minibook... .
one CD is MUCH more than just one booklet, one CD, and one CD case. It's months of writing, composition, conception, recording, mixing, producing, and a HUGE amount of money as a investissement.
Of course people can save lot of money with downloading, but think of it : if everyone would do that and never buy any CD (or even, like your case, just one CD every year), then you can expect the number of albums & bands to go down really fast.
Downloading is okay, if you want to listen to one album and be sure that you won't be disapointed by buying it, but it's a easy and selfish solution if you consider it like a treasure chest and get everything from it.
And I think 15€ is not a lot of money, if you really like the album.
(plus the fact that the prices of CDs in big musicstore are rather 19€ / 23€)
How many times do you listen one album ?
Some people spend 6€ for one pack of cigarettes that they waste in one day (and at the end it had brought nothing to them).
Some people can spend 60€ every week-end to parties and drinking.
Some people can spend 10€ to go and watch a movie in a theater.
Do you still think 15€ for one CD is a lot ? Sorry, but if you really like music and respect it as a art, you don't steal it.
Absolutely right. Most people seem to think that an album is made by clapping your hands or something like that...gerr wrote:When I said that, I wasnt talking about me, of course I prefer buying the cd if I like it, I was talking about what people generally think, if you dont wach whats behind the album, you only see a booklet that costs 13 euros, of course on this 13 euros is not only the cost of the booklet there is a work... (I hope you understand me my english its fukin bad hehehee) well but when someone goes to buy a cd and it doesnt care about whats behind that album, he only sees a booklet for 13 euros, and of course, he doenst buy it, he downloads it, I think that this is a matter of marketting and labels should do something to atract people for buying a cdcliff wrote:You got it wrong.gerr wrote:to buy a CDbox with a cd inside with 10 songs with the same quality that you have in the computer, and with a mini book with the lyrics and some photos. The box and the cd can be copied for just 2 euros, so you pay 13 euros for a minibook... .
one CD is MUCH more than just one booklet, one CD, and one CD case. It's months of writing, composition, conception, recording, mixing, producing, and a HUGE amount of money as a investissement.
Of course people can save lot of money with downloading, but think of it : if everyone would do that and never buy any CD (or even, like your case, just one CD every year), then you can expect the number of albums & bands to go down really fast.
Downloading is okay, if you want to listen to one album and be sure that you won't be disapointed by buying it, but it's a easy and selfish solution if you consider it like a treasure chest and get everything from it.
And I think 15€ is not a lot of money, if you really like the album.
(plus the fact that the prices of CDs in big musicstore are rather 19€ / 23€)
How many times do you listen one album ?
Some people spend 6€ for one pack of cigarettes that they waste in one day (and at the end it had brought nothing to them).
Some people can spend 60€ every week-end to parties and drinking.
Some people can spend 10€ to go and watch a movie in a theater.
Do you still think 15€ for one CD is a lot ? Sorry, but if you really like music and respect it as a art, you don't steal it.
1) Find Your Own Voice, some parts in Fantasia, Learning To Fly, Stratofortress, some parts in Elements, I'm Still Alive and Ride Like The Wind. I think this is enough :/Stratofanius wrote:Some bad things:
- There are not very many fasts songs in new albums (Elements pt.1 and 2)
- Too much double bass
- More Johansson and Kotipelto; there are good composers too!
- Well, the ballads are VERY GOOD, but they are too many in Strato's albums! In Destiny, there are FOUR ballads in the album (4000 Rainy Nights, Years Go By, Venus in the Morning and Dream with Me). I hope new beutiful ballads, but TWO ballads by album is the best way.
MaFiaBoY wrote:1) Find Your Own Voice, some parts in Fantasia, Learning To Fly, Stratofortress, some parts in Elements, I'm Still Alive and Ride Like The Wind. I think this is enough :/Stratofanius wrote:Some bad things:
- There are not very many fasts songs in new albums (Elements pt.1 and 2)
- Too much double bass
- More Johansson and Kotipelto; there are good composers too!
- Well, the ballads are VERY GOOD, but they are too many in Strato's albums! In Destiny, there are FOUR ballads in the album (4000 Rainy Nights, Years Go By, Venus in the Morning and Dream with Me). I hope new beutiful ballads, but TWO ballads by album is the best way.
2) Agreed
3) Agreed too, I'm not quite fond of Koti-composed songs though. Hail, The Curtais Are Falling, Why Are We Here & Run Away
4) I don't think there are too much ballads, TT composes great ones and Koti's voice fits perfectly for that, so that doesn't bother me.
For that's why there is a program callled MusicMatch Jukebox.MaFiaBoY wrote:Well, this "copy protection" can easily be broken but yeah, it's very annoying. If you have an album with it and want to make mp3s tu put on your iPod, no way. So basically you payed 15€ for an album you can't listen to whenever you want..
I totally agree at first it was very hard to get used to itdupinguez wrote: -too high singing melody, sometimes Koti is not able to catch these high notes live and a lower voice could sound... hmmmmm... restful for the ears
I dont care if a song is ballad or not i thing that that is why i love so much stratovarius just because they dont make the usual power metal song.. they make like this neo clasical power metal with songs musically great! so basically i see it the songs are great musically not if they are fast or slowStratofanius wrote:MaFiaBoY wrote:1) Find Your Own Voice, some parts in Fantasia, Learning To Fly, Stratofortress, some parts in Elements, I'm Still Alive and Ride Like The Wind. I think this is enough :/Stratofanius wrote:Some bad things:
- There are not very many fasts songs in new albums (Elements pt.1 and 2)
- Too much double bass
- More Johansson and Kotipelto; there are good composers too!
- Well, the ballads are VERY GOOD, but they are too many in Strato's albums! In Destiny, there are FOUR ballads in the album (4000 Rainy Nights, Years Go By, Venus in the Morning and Dream with Me). I hope new beutiful ballads, but TWO ballads by album is the best way.
2) Agreed
3) Agreed too, I'm not quite fond of Koti-composed songs though. Hail, The Curtais Are Falling, Why Are We Here & Run Away
4) I don't think there are too much ballads, TT composes great ones and Koti's voice fits perfectly for that, so that doesn't bother me.
Well, Elements pt.2 has FOUR fast songs: IWTMOS, I'm Still Alive, (terrible) Know the Difference and Dreamweaver. But, to be honest, only I'm Still Alive is "ultra-fast". For example, in Visions, there are Black Diamond, Forever Free, Legions and Visions, wich are ALL very fast songs. And Infite - there are so many fast...
And the BALLADS thing, MaFiaBoY, you said that Stratoballads are great, I agree 100%. But I mean that to be POWERMETAL-ALBUMS, three or four ballads are too much by album! Two is maximum. Of course, "slow" songs like Eternity and Night Time Eclipse are nice.
But - I love Stratoballads. And I don't know what the fuck I'm telling...
In my humble opinion, also Strato´s ballads have the special "power" in them and it´s not so easy to compare them to normal sounding ballads. Except Forever and Neon Light Child. They just have something their own.Stratofanius wrote:
And the BALLADS thing, MaFiaBoY, you said that Stratoballads are great, I agree 100%. But I mean that to be POWERMETAL-ALBUMS, three or four ballads are too much by album! Two is maximum. Of course, "slow" songs like Eternity and Night Time Eclipse are nice.
Equinox wrote:I'm more "old skool" than that. I take a pen end make a little mark on the CD itself, that works pretty wellMaFiaBoY wrote:Well, this "copy protection" can easily be broken but yeah, it's very annoying. If you have an album with it and want to make mp3s tu put on your iPod, no way. So basically you payed 15€ for an album you can't listen to whenever you want..
MMJ is a great program but new version by new version, it is tended to become slower and slower, because of all those online radios + downloading features that are possible only for USA residents.Equinox wrote:For that's why there is a program callled MusicMatch Jukebox.MaFiaBoY wrote:Well, this "copy protection" can easily be broken but yeah, it's very annoying. If you have an album with it and want to make mp3s tu put on your iPod, no way. So basically you payed 15€ for an album you can't listen to whenever you want..