Guthrie Govan - snare from erotic cakes
Rotten Sound with Kai (Kumu drums. Always dreamed of that snare.)
Exodus live album
I’m half asleep and need to think of more.
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Hmm... My presumption is that it won't sound any different. Anything beyond the redbook standard (dual 16-bit 44100Hz waveforms) is superfluous for human listeners. Bit depth determines the signal to noise ratio (for redbook, it is 96.33 dB) & sample rate determines the Nyquist frequency (for redbook, it is 22050Hz). Any sounds above the Nyquist frequency are subject to aliasing, so they are eliminated with a low pass filter.
I have heard the last two, but I didn't play them much because I couldn't get into their heavier and more modern sound. Paradise Lost was the last one I really enjoyed, but the others aren't bad or anything, just a matter of taste.
That's right! I only listen to Stratovarius karaokes for my morning routine.Motha-faka wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:25 pmDear stratokiddos, listening to stratovarius in HD from amazon HD is only losing your money, because you are not going to distinguish the difference between HD 96000hz 24 bits, for example to 44100 16bits, Human beings are not like dogs. If the format was recorded and the download was done at 44100 16 bits, raising the quality only adds noise to compensate for the high bit rate.
Do not get hot with the "Stratovarius in HD from Amazon HD because, the same happened with Pink Floyd HD, it was sold at 96000 hz at 24 bits and nobody noticed the difference, the fans only bought with their eyes more than with their ears.![]()
Me too, with my shitty PS4 mono earbudNeverendingAbyss wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:05 pmThat's right! I only listen to Stratovarius karaokes for my morning routine.Motha-faka wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:25 pmDear stratokiddos, listening to stratovarius in HD from amazon HD is only losing your money, because you are not going to distinguish the difference between HD 96000hz 24 bits, for example to 44100 16bits, Human beings are not like dogs. If the format was recorded and the download was done at 44100 16 bits, raising the quality only adds noise to compensate for the high bit rate.
Do not get hot with the "Stratovarius in HD from Amazon HD because, the same happened with Pink Floyd HD, it was sold at 96000 hz at 24 bits and nobody noticed the difference, the fans only bought with their eyes more than with their ears.![]()
What Amazon music HD uses is FLAC. Max is 24 bit/192 hz. Tidal has “master” quality they say. Using 24bit / 96kHz AAC, ALAC, FLAC. There’s deezer hifi and qobuz that uses similar stuff. Qobuz even uses wav I read. Anyway, I don’t understand it all but am using this as an alternative to buying CDs and ripping them. Even if the human ear can’t perceive the shit. It’s a selling point and I took the bait.ZenithMC wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:47 amHmm... My presumption is that it won't sound any different. Anything beyond the redbook standard (dual 16-bit 44100Hz waveforms) is superfluous for human listeners. Bit depth determines the signal to noise ratio (for redbook, it is 96.33 dB) & sample rate determines the Nyquist frequency (for redbook, it is 22050Hz). Any sounds above the Nyquist frequency are subject to aliasing, so they are eliminated with a low pass filter.
96.33 dB of range with a maximum frequency response of 22050Hz is more than enough (human range is roughly from 20hz to 20kHz). Any sound below -70 dB will more than likely be noise anyway, due to analogue equipment introducing it during the production of the album (or even during the DAC conversion for playback). Any 16-bit integer sound source around -96 dB will be subjected to quantization error & will sound distorted if dithering is not applied during mixdown (from floating-point to integer format).
I just noticed that Eternal appears to have no dithering.Not that it matters all that much. The only way to hear the distortion is to crank your speakers to max volume during a fade out/fade in.
Yes...Motha-faka wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:25 pmDear stratokiddos, listening to stratovarius in HD from amazon HD is only losing your money, because you are not going to distinguish the difference between HD 96000hz 24 bits, for example to 44100 16bits, Human beings are not like dogs. If the format was recorded and the download was done at 44100 16 bits, raising the quality only adds noise to compensate for the high bit rate.
Do not get hot with the "Stratovarius in HD from Amazon HD because, the same happened with Pink Floyd HD, it was sold at 96000 hz at 24 bits and nobody noticed the difference, the fans only bought with their eyes more than with their ears.![]()
Can't say I relate but, indeed, if you're happy that's all that matters.robocop wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:37 pmYes...
I bought into the hype. Except I wanted to test my setup with the highest quality I could get. I get that it’s just going to also take up more bandwidth, and it’s just a meme basically where we won’t be able to hear the difference. It’s the hype that counts. It made me happy for a moment and that’s all that mattered to me.
So you like natural sounding kicks and such? I checked out the DT drums you mentioned and heard that.Ludwig Van Beethoven wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:52 amBest drum production ever: Systematic Chaos by Dream Theater
Best overall production effort: Black Album by Metallica
Best sounding record: Elements pt.1 (by far)
If we're talking about Stratovarius alone:
Top 3:
- Elements pt.1
- Episode/Visions
- Nemesis
Last 3:
- Fright Night
- Fourth Dimension
- Elysium (I cannot stand the kick samples, other instruments are excellent)
There's a track on iconoclast in the old style.AAAAAAAAAA wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:36 amI have heard the last two, but I didn't play them much because I couldn't get into their heavier and more modern sound. Paradise Lost was the last one I really enjoyed, but the others aren't bad or anything, just a matter of taste.
From what I remember the production of almost all symphony x albums is really good. Bear in mind I know very little about the technicalities.![]()
I do occasionally listen to heavier music. In the case of the last symphony x album, it's not just that it's heavier but that it sounds like generic modern metal. there are some good songs but also some filler songs in my opinion.robocop wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:07 pm
So you don't like heavier music? Shame...like life we need to listen to dynamic music. But that's just me and my damaged brain talking.
The older albums production could use more power imho. Like strato production of the 90s. And the guitar tone, well not bad..it just is different. Don't know the tone details. Signature Romeo sound. Ever hear his newest solo album? Sounds like he's soundtrack composer pretty much added in. Guitar tone in later recent albums is different.
Dear Mr. Ontivero,Motha-faka wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:32 pmThen I analyzed Eternal in their song My eternal dream, it's a fucking disaster, I don't know if it was the mixing or the mastering, but it doesn't seem like stratovarius, nor that they had the giant studio that they have, someone sent a huge shit with the sound![]()
This. I believe it is time for Stratovarius to officially take the Flavio pill. At the very least, maybe a bonus track of one song off their next album. "Flavio Ontivero special macho muchacho mix". It would kick our asses for all time, guaranteed.AAAAAAAAAA wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:01 amDear Mr. Ontivero,Motha-faka wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:32 pmThen I analyzed Eternal in their song My eternal dream, it's a fucking disaster, I don't know if it was the mixing or the mastering, but it doesn't seem like stratovarius, nor that they had the giant studio that they have, someone sent a huge shit with the sound![]()
I urge you to continue to be vocal and outspoken in your criticism of the band's production. Be unrelenting and continue to spread your thoughts everywhere you can including facebook, and other social media. If you manage to get enough attention, perhaps you will be selected to participate in the production process of the next album and we will finally get the huge powerful sound we have been yearning for. My confidence in you is unwavering.
Ohhh. I also was probably ..uh , 19 when hearing Olympus. I think that they chose to incorporate a modern sound tastefully. So it is not just chug chug. I wouldn't even know what to compare modern metal to. I do get that some of the songs do not hold up compared to classics like smoke and mirrors.AAAAAAAAAA wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:14 amI do occasionally listen to heavier music. In the case of the last symphony x album, it's not just that it's heavier but that it sounds like generic modern metal. there are some good songs but also some filler songs in my opinion.robocop wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:07 pm
So you don't like heavier music? Shame...like life we need to listen to dynamic music. But that's just me and my damaged brain talking.
The older albums production could use more power imho. Like strato production of the 90s. And the guitar tone, well not bad..it just is different. Don't know the tone details. Signature Romeo sound. Ever hear his newest solo album? Sounds like he's soundtrack composer pretty much added in. Guitar tone in later recent albums is different.
I really dig the orchestral stuff they did with twilight in Olympus, V, etc, maybe I'm just being nostalgic because I was a teenager when I discovered those albums.
You're right: they released a lot of albums that sounded almost exactly the same (Damnation Game through V) and at some point decided to shake things up a bit. I can respect that.I look at it like this. Maybe they figured the old style was played out. It also isn't like they tossed it all away. You can tell its Symphony X. Anyway, if you ever heard their really old songs, demos and all...now that production is sadly not too good.
Probably not, to be honest. Honestly I have not seen almost any examples of bands that changed their style to a mainstream sound well after their inception and actually gained fans from it. Maybe Metallica is the only example I can think of. Like you said, they just grew out of the whole orchestral thing and I can respect that.I realize that old fans want the power metal sound back. But do you think they gained a bigger following changing it all
Come on, you're definitely not a moron. Be easy on yourself my guy. You make a lot of good points.Fuck it. I'm a moron.
The Divine Wings of Tragedy was played so much in my old days.AAAAAAAAAA wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:29 pmYou're right: they released a lot of albums that sounded almost exactly the same (Damnation Game through V) and at some point decided to shake things up a bit. I can respect that.I look at it like this. Maybe they figured the old style was played out. It also isn't like they tossed it all away. You can tell its Symphony X. Anyway, if you ever heard their really old songs, demos and all...now that production is sadly not too good.
Actually the first Symphony X album I heard was the debut (self-titled) album with a singer called Rod Tyler who is out of tune the whole album. And like you said, the general production is very poor. But I listened to it again a few months ago and the songs still hold up. All in all not a great album but from a perspective of songwriting and melodies its pretty decent. Yeah, its amateurish, but after playing the album a few tunes get stuck in my head.
The album most people rave about is The Divine Wings of Tragedy, and I actually agree with you that it needs more "oomph" and polish. The songs are mostly good, though there are a few fillers here too.
Probably not, to be honest. Honestly I have not seen almost any examples of bands that changed their style to a mainstream sound well after their inception and actually gained fans from it. Maybe Metallica is the only example I can think of. Like you said, they just grew out of the whole orchestral thing and I can respect that.I realize that old fans want the power metal sound back. But do you think they gained a bigger following changing it all
Come on, you're definitely not a moron. Be easy on yourself my guy. You make a lot of good points.Fuck it. I'm a moron.