Maniac Depression

[HymnToLife]

[browneyedgirl]

Yes, I already knew that was what he has. I studied psychology courses in college, and know the symptoms. A very bad, yet controllable mental illness. The unfortunate thing is that manic-depresive illness often lasts a persons entire life.
People who have the disease usually learn to live with it, by knowing before hand when their mood swings will occur, and they adjust their life accordingly.

It was very obvious to me by observing TTs actions that it is M-D illness he has--NOT schitzophrenia.....M-D is the lesser of the two evils.

These people hae to be watched closely during the active phaes of this illness, to assure they do not do actions which can harm themsves or others. During manic phase they have frenzied energy, often going without sleep or eating for long periods of time. The overconfidence often gets these people in trouble because they think no task is impossible for them. Also,their tempers are often easily out of control during this period.
The depressive period is opposite--the person is exhauted, feels overbearing guilt, and has suicidal thoughts during this phase, which is usually the most dangerous.
The cycling of the two mood swings is very obvious,and is often separated by a short period of completely normal behavior. People with M-D often get their lives in order during this tranquil period, because they know the turmoil that is to come.....

[Luca]

I post here not to create too much noise. I'm going out of the forum as an active user, I won't post anything, because I think that everything started because of fans stupidity. Forum is a very dangerous place when it's threated by stupid people. Tolkki now is depressed and ill, and I will give him my respect going out of this place for a while, because I think that it's the main reason why Tolkki feels bad now. I won't have anything bad against you, friends. I'll continue reading your discussion. And maybe I'll be back!

[MetalForever]

Luca wrote:
I post here not to create too much noise. I'm going out of the forum as an active user, I won't post anything, because I think that everything started because of fans stupidity. Forum is a very dangerous place when it's threated by stupid people. Tolkki now is depressed and ill, and I will give him my respect going out of this place for a while, because I think that it's the main reason why Tolkki feels bad now. I won't have anything bad against you, friends. I'll continue reading your discussion. And maybe I'll be back!

I agree.Now I think taht this is real end of Strato unless the people stop their attacks to Timo.

[Alaluusua]

MetalForever wrote:

Luca wrote:
I post here not to create too much noise. I'm going out of the forum as an active user, I won't post anything, because I think that everything started because of fans stupidity. Forum is a very dangerous place when it's threated by stupid people. Tolkki now is depressed and ill, and I will give him my respect going out of this place for a while, because I think that it's the main reason why Tolkki feels bad now. I won't have anything bad against you, friends. I'll continue reading your discussion. And maybe I'll be back!

I agree.Now I think taht this is real end of Strato unless the people stop their attacks to Timo.

Yksi kaikkien ja kaikki yhden puolesta.
One for all and all for one.
Is it like that in english??
So I'm with you guys!!

[johnnyingrstrv]

This just explains all the reactions of timo lately i think that is a very well based reason . This thing goes away with years ? Anyway i hope that Timo will get away from this thing and also i hope that he will feel relieved after all when this thing wiil fade away.

[Fireblade]

We don't know if Timo's depression is manic depression. Just because he wrote about it in a song.

He wrote Eagleheart, but it doesn't mean he can fly.

It says on the strato.com that it's SEVERE depression. Not manic, not schitzophrenia.

I take EVERYTHING to be rumours until I hear it from a post/announcement by Jens or Webmaster.

[MAJINDIEGO]

Fireblade wrote:
We don't know if Timo's depression is manic depression. Just because he wrote about it in a song.

He wrote Eagleheart, but it doesn't mean he can fly.

It says on the strato.com that it's SEVERE depression. Not manic, not schitzophrenia.

I take EVERYTHING to be rumours until I hear it from a post/announcement by Jens or Webmaster.

Bite me!
Your humor is hillarious! (? really?! stupid sentence!)

[HymnToLife]

@johnnyingrstrv: I think that medicine yet dont know so well how to cure MD, but it can be controlled.
@Fireblade:
How do you know he cant fly?

[Fireblade]

HymnToLife wrote:
@Fireblade:
How do you know he cant fly?

Well he hasn't done it onstage yet...

Maybe he can, and he keeps it a secret...

[browneyedgirl]

Well, where does he keep his wings?
Maybe he flies like Apollo, with wings on his feet!
That explains why he is normally so active&gets several things done at once.
TT is a very active guy when he's well....maybe soon those days will be back again for him.

[StratoItaly]

Hello eveybody! I have known Stratovarius since some months ago (I'm from Italy) and I got so upset after reading what's happening to Timo Tolkki...but how long has he been sick? What are the reasons of this depression?

[johnnyingrstrv]

StratoItaly wrote:
Hello eveybody! I have known Stratovarius since some months ago (I'm from Italy) and I got so upset after reading what's happening to Timo Tolkki...but how long has he been sick? What are the reasons of this depression?

well the reasons are obvious to all he's been under a lot of preassure latelly so this is what happens when someone has to do so many things in so little time ....

[johnnyingrstrv]

Check out this link about the depression is really usefull i think...


http://www.drgrantmullen.com/manicdprn.html

[Rantanen]

I think I am a bit manic depressive, or isn't it called bi-polar disorder these days. I also have an alcohol problem, and these two go hand in hand. I tried to stop drinking completely last week, and I had enormous amounts of brain activity and stress, I slept very badly at night. I did long walks and had a lot of energy, obviously it has to do something with good physical fitness as well. I thought so much about things and worried about everything, I basically had a nervous breakdown every day. Then I started drinking again, and kind of felt it made me totally sane. I slept perfectly well. On the other hand, I was sick, because the relaxation was a false effect caused by alcohol.

"Yet I fall for it every time
I bow my head to King Alcohol
I think that it keeps me totally sane
Yet I know it drives me insane"

-Impaled Nazarene

[HymnToLife]

Martin Seligman of Pennsylvania University says Meditation help very much something like 60-80% of the people...

[HymnToLife]

I hope Tolkki get better of that soon...

[browneyedgirl]

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[johnnyingrstrv]

yeah hes surelly not alone...

[jean_luc_picard]

I think most of you are optimist about all this matter. Of course we share hope that TT will recover as soon as possible, but such disturbs take a long long while to pass by, if it ever comes to that. Indeed, some never fully recover. Let's hope this is not the case. Doubtless, I would not point "the finger" only against so called fans that tried hard everyday to make his life an "inferno"; do not forget TT had very bad episodes that signed his life, as he himself told. And that is what counts the most, in the end.

[Mourner of Darkness]

Well, we all know that Tolkki is in a big depression right now, and I think his depression and issues depends on many things, first of all he and Kotipelto is like "enemies" if I shall say so and then all those "motherfuckers" out there who has no lives themselves which makes them uncertain which then makes them forced to "retaliate" their problems on other totally innocent people like Tolkki, who by the way makes the best music their is! And don't come here saying anything else!
And then I wish Tolkki all the luck, but remember, this was only a post where I gave my thoughts and opinions of this, nothing else..

[browneyedgirl]

jean_luc_picard wrote:
I think most of you are optimist about all this matter. Of course we share hope that TT will recover as soon as possible, but such disturbs take a long long while to pass by, if it ever comes to that. Indeed, some never fully recover. Let's hope this is not the case. Doubtless, I would not point "the finger" only against so called fans that tried hard everyday to make his life an "inferno"; do not forget TT had very bad episodes that signed his life, as he himself told. And that is what counts the most, in the end.

actually, I, too have very bad feelings about Tolkki's mental state future-wise, as I am a realist. I just do not want others to feel bad, or pessimistic. Plus, I have a relative who has this disorder and she goes up&down all the time with short breaks of normalcy in between. She also talks of suicide during the depression cycle and has to be hospitalized, only to keep her from hurting herself. And, yes, in most cases, bipolar does last a lifetime.

Those mean fans did not help Tolkki, given his sensitive&fragile mind--and it seemed these mean people enjoyed tormenting TT all the more because of his tenderheartedness. I told him once to please try to "toughen up/harden his heart" to a degree, or else he would be destroyed by these hateful people. However, yes, whatever he endured as a child is evidently still with him, causing him internal sorrow/pain, which in turn is aggrevating his personal relationships and more importantly, concept of himself. Until all this is resolved, TT will never be a full/whole recovered person, and will continue to have disasterous setbacks.

Its going to be a long, rocky road for Big Guy and he will need our prayers, as well as hopefilled well wishes, & kind words.
I saw posted where someone who saw him said it was very serious--didn't look good, at least in the short-term.

[Metalheadofnature]

i know someone that is bipolar, he composed a song on it and all the song smooth and hard moods altern so that is a good song on it

[loztdignity]

I just thought about...the lyrics to "awaken the giant" and actually many songs on Elements pt 2 are a bit "manic" like "every day the power growns stronger in me" and "Im reaching for new heeeights".

[jean_luc_picard]

Again, I think this is just a consequence of something else, more complicated to face. The fact that his behaviour has been weird at times regarding the kotipelto matter proves it. Maybe the whole chaos derived from his inner state of trouble. If you are in a very bad mood, even the easiest issues are very hard to pass by. In my opinion, this recovery clears much of what has happened in the last months. Let's hope medical help will aid him truly.

[jean_luc_picard]

browneyedgirl wrote:

jean_luc_picard wrote:
I think most of you are optimist about all this matter. Of course we share hope that TT will recover as soon as possible, but such disturbs take a long long while to pass by, if it ever comes to that. Indeed, some never fully recover. Let's hope this is not the case. Doubtless, I would not point "the finger" only against so called fans that tried hard everyday to make his life an "inferno"; do not forget TT had very bad episodes that signed his life, as he himself told. And that is what counts the most, in the end.

[...]However, yes, whatever he endured as a child is evidently still with him, causing him internal sorrow/pain, which in turn is aggrevating his personal relationships and more importantly, concept of himself. Until all this is resolved, TT will never be a full/whole recovered person, and will continue to have disasterous setbacks.

that settles it, exactly what I meant. Probably everything that has been done/said in the last months about all this immense, tragic event of a splitting (of course my words are ironic) has this source. In this case, we all should take a step back and think about the mess that has been around along. To "forgive" him for having been weird at times, if there really is something to forgive in all this matter (again, it was just a split ).

[Luca]

jean_luc_picard wrote:

browneyedgirl wrote:

jean_luc_picard wrote:
I think most of you are optimist about all this matter. Of course we share hope that TT will recover as soon as possible, but such disturbs take a long long while to pass by, if it ever comes to that. Indeed, some never fully recover. Let's hope this is not the case. Doubtless, I would not point "the finger" only against so called fans that tried hard everyday to make his life an "inferno"; do not forget TT had very bad episodes that signed his life, as he himself told. And that is what counts the most, in the end.

[...]However, yes, whatever he endured as a child is evidently still with him, causing him internal sorrow/pain, which in turn is aggrevating his personal relationships and more importantly, concept of himself. Until all this is resolved, TT will never be a full/whole recovered person, and will continue to have disasterous setbacks.

that settles it, exactly what I meant. Probably everything that has been done/said in the last months about all this immense, tragic event of a splitting (of course my words are ironic) has this source. In this case, we all should take a step back and think about the mess that has been around along. To "forgive" him for having been weird at times, if there really is something to forgive in all this matter (again, it was just a split ).

I think that we have anything to forgive... Timo Tolkki is the one that may forgive the stupid reaction of those stupid children called fans... but I would not consider to forgive them if I was him... fans have been unvorgiveble, while Timo doesn't have any fault! I never falled in the mistake of being angry or insulting him or Katriina. And, of course, I hope that everything will work out well soon! But I see now how stupid is world's people... not that I didn't know yet...

[Rantanen]

I am trying to stop drinking now. It's not easy, I think I am quite addicted. I am nervous and my hands are wet from sweat. I got for myself a medication for the anxiety, it's sertralin, used for depression, panic attacks, etc. It's helping a little bit but not much, I just started the medication 4 days ago, might take a few weeks before it really starts to work. I've been riding my bicycle a lot, because if I stay inside the house, the walls pretty much start closing in on me. So I'm slightly freaking out. When the drinking stopped, I started thinking too much, that made me freak out, suddenly being fully conscious of everything.

[Beast_Pete]

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[GreenPeace]

But don't give in! We all know you can do it.