BUSH vs. KERRY

[Jack]

www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com

[Holy Light]

I'm voting for Bush because he isn't a pussy!

[MAJINDIEGO]

I'm voting for Bush because he isn't a pussy!

that is the most stupid idiot lame cretin jack ass dumbshit crappy justification, plus another words which i can´t remember right now i have ever heard, for voting for BUSH.

[Holy Light]

I could right a whole bunch of shit to show why I'm voting for Bush. My Plain and simple answer is I support the majority of the Republican views. One I'm against is bringing U.S. jobs overseas. This is very bad for the economy. Democrats give too much money away. I believe people should work for their money. I'm going to stop ranting, politics brings out to many arguements.

[MAJINDIEGO]

Want a solution for the job deal? Throw a bomb on each of the countries from where they are...than you could get closer your Bush...

[ProgHhead777]

Lucid Faia wrote:
All I can tell you is that the American people, for the most part, were not for this bullshit in the middle east. Don't blame the American people. Blame the American government. You don't like them? Good. We don't like them either.

Well, if you don't like your government either, how did they get the job? Obviously, there were more idiots voting for Bush than intellectuals voting for Gore while the rest were too ignorant to even bother have an opinion and go down to vote.

The American people is very much to blame for that monkey sitting in the Oval Office making fatal decisions. I've heard 80% of all voters don't really know who John Kerry is and what he stands for.

Clearly you didn't think about that before you wrote it. When Bush was elected 9/11, Afghanistan, and Iraq obviously hadn't happened yet. As a liberal democrat I did not vote for Bush but I didn't hate him then, either.

You have to understand that before he was president, Bush was governor of Texas which means that the majority of Americans didn't know jack about him except that he was the son of a former president and a fairly successful governor. Beyond that, everyone only knew what Bush told them during his campaign. That and, of course, what his opponent Al Gore said about him. No one knew then that he was going to be the worst thing to happen to this country since... since god knows what.

Furthermore, due to the bizarre way in which American presidential elections are decided, Bush gained the presidency without the popular vote! That's Right!! The majority of Americans who voted, voted for the other guy, Al Gore!! This is well-known fact!

If you're really that interested and you want to know how something like that could possibly happen, then look up the "Electoral College" and read about it there. I'm told that there's a good reason for this system to be in place, but no one has ever managed to explain what that reason is to my satisfaction. In a nutshell, Al Gore won the most individual votes but Bush won more States.

As for your statement that "80% of all voters don't know who John Kerry is and what he stands for", that's only partially true. First of all, EVERYONE who is politcally active, i.e., a registered and active voter, KNOWS who John Kerry is. That is, they know at least as much about Kerry as they did about Bush when he started his campaign. And as for not knowing "what he stands for" there's a very good reason for that: his campaign has only just started. There hasn't even been any debates yet!

I, at least, know all I need to know about who John Kerry is: he's NOT George Bush!

To the person who said that Nader was a communist: puh-leeeze! I don't completely agree with his politics but to call him a communist is at least as irresponsible as calling Bush a fascist. I'm certainly not an admirer of either man but lets not be ridiculous here.

To the person who said "What's wrong with communism?": Ask the peoples of North Korea, Cuba, Laos and Vietnam that question. Would you want to live in any of those places? If you say yes, then you either don't know what you're talking about or you're a masochist.

I omit China from that list because they've modified their form of government so much that it's only communist in name now.

[Twilightsymphony]

Furthermore, due to the bizarre way in which American presidential elections are decided

Bizarre indeed, and outdated...

I, at least, know all I need to know about who John Kerry is: he's NOT George Bush!

Right answer

To the person who said "What's wrong with communism?"

Havent read all again, but you could be refering to me so i will answer
The problem is for sure, that none of the states who call themselves communistic are actually communistic in the way intended. I like the general idea of communism, it just will never work out.

The point above is: I hate it when mainly american people refer to certain politics or politicians and/or european countries as "communists" because obviously they have no idea of social democracy. Maybe you are refering to such a point, but i still agree that it wouldnt be too great to live in one of those countries you mentioned...

[MAJINDIEGO]

Havent read all again, but you could be refering to me so i will answer
The problem is for sure, that none of the states who call themselves communistic are actually communistic in the way intended. I like the general idea of communism, it just will never work out.

The point above is: I hate it when mainly american people refer to certain politics or politicians and/or european countries as "communists" because obviously they have no idea of social democracy. Maybe you are refering to such a point, but i still agree that it wouldnt be too great to live in one of those countries you mentioned...

Great Point Twilight, but i think he´s refering to me...

To the person who said "What's wrong with communism?": Ask the peoples of North Korea, Cuba, Laos and Vietnam that question. Would you want to live in any of those places? If you say yes, then you either don't know what you're talking about or you're a masochist.

Okay, if you´re blaming the whole idea of communism because of dictatorships which mixed up and changed the whole point of it, there´s no need of pointing to whom knows crap about stuff.

[ProgHhead777]

Havent read all again, but you could be refering to me so i will answer
The problem is for sure, that none of the states who call themselves communistic are actually communistic in the way intended. I like the general idea of communism, it just will never work out.

The point above is: I hate it when mainly american people refer to certain politics or politicians and/or european countries as "communists" because obviously they have no idea of social democracy. Maybe you are refering to such a point, but i still agree that it wouldnt be too great to live in one of those countries you mentioned...

I actually agree with you on all of that. Being a liberal, I find the idea of a reformist social democracy to be very appealing. When I refer to communism and when most Americans refer to communism, they are referring to Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc. But an officially communist state in the form of a reformist social democracy does not exist... you have to wonder why.

It might surprise some people to learn that there are communist parties here in the US, they're just extremely unpopular.

Okay, if you´re blaming the whole idea of communism because of dictatorships which mixed up and changed the whole point of it, there´s no need of pointing to whom knows crap about stuff.

You seem to have been offended by what I said. I apologize for that. I should have chosen my words more carefully. But I get frustrated when some people suggest that there are not nations in the world in which people are suffering and are powerless to do anything about it.

Let me clarify. Communism looks very good on paper. The fact that communist nations have invariably been oppressive dicatorships suggests that there is a fundamental flaw in the ideal of communism. At least, this is what many in first-world countries believe. Who really knows except the people who live in those countries? But I can tell you this- for my next vacation get-away, I will NOT be going to Pyongyang!

[NordicStorm]

So yeah, I'm saying Kerry will win with quite the margin, and it's not going to be as close as the polls are indicating. My two cents.

Edit: Oops.

[Equinox]

Bush Sucks..............He's attacking Irak without reason...............That Sucks.

[Beast_Pete]

About Communism. Many of you have already said, that it's good only on paper, can't be made as it's imagined/dreamed. And why? Because we're humans. People always want more and more, even if it means, that they have to walk through the other men. Equality? This is a good idea. Harmony? Yeah, everyone needs harmony. But it is something, which is impossible to achieve/work out.

Here, in Hungary, the communists made our country to outrun the constable. They were here for about 40 years, and some of them are still here, hiding in the shadows of such puppets, like what Bush is.

[Sknight2112]

News poll this morning said Bush was at 49% Kerry at 48% ..... Nader at 1%.
Well, atleast he is persistant.

[Beast_Pete]

News poll this morning said Bush was at 49% Kerry at 48% ..... Nader at 1%.
Well, atleast he is persistant.

Hopefully Bush will suck, like Al Gorr did 5 years ago... more votes, but less mandate.

[Lucid Faia]

Elections are tomorrow.

Kerry is going to win, guys. Historically, undecided voters tend to vote against the incumbent when the time comes to vote.

http://www.electoral-vote.com

One day before the election, polls have John Kerry with 298 electoral votes. Factor in the rule about the undecideds, and it doesn't look good for Bush. Which is very good news as far as I'm concerned. All of my friends and I are voting Kerry tomorrow.

[Stratovarious]

I'm going for kerry!

[Stratovarious]

I could right a whole bunch of shit to show why I'm voting for Bush. My Plain and simple answer is I support the majority of the Republican views. One I'm against is bringing U.S. jobs overseas. This is very bad for the economy. Democrats give too much money away. I believe people should work for their money. I'm going to stop ranting, politics brings out to many arguements.

nothing personal with you man but for me is just crap I can't be with someone who is going to kill me cause I have different values, different points of view , different beliefs and for not be an american


the money issue is something in what we are all involve and I think that everyone has the responsability to act for his economy future but is not a reason to lead a country teaching the kids that if you can't agree with foreing people you have to terminate wih their lives

back to the money part if somebody want to help their country it has to do something that brings not only good material things...so and a war ?

[Beast_Pete]

Where can I find the results tomorrow? Can someone paste a link here, so I could see the part results. Thanks.

[Electric Eye]

who cares, but don't tell me I'm ignorant

[NordicStorm]

Where can I find the results tomorrow? Can someone paste a link here, so I could see the part results. Thanks.

Aah, you'll probably be able to see the result on news sites everywhere (assuming we have a result), but a site I like is www.electoral-vote.com (try electoral-vote2.com, electoral-vote3.com etc up to electoral-vote8.com if the first one is down), since you'll have the breakdown state by state. (The current results there are based on the polling numbers, so take them with a grain of salt)

[Allison]

Food for thought ................if you knew then what you know now about Hitler then WHY would you vote for Bush?

[HvyMtlClickWitch]

Food for thought ................if you knew then what you know now about Hitler then WHY would you vote for Bush?

How easy it is to seem astute when drawing the bulls-eye after the arrow has been fired!

Well, here's the opportunity to seem astute. The arrow has been fired, and now we all can draw the bulls-eye for the next four years if Bush continues to run things.

People accuse Kerry of flip-flopping on issues, but BUSH STANDS FIRMLY BY HIS MISTAKES AND CONTINUES TO PROPAGATE THEM. Even when everyone knows he is wrong. It is fucking gay.

In my experience, people who are voting for Bush all are doing it for the same reason: they feel that he is keeping us safe from terrorism.

HE'S NOT!!!!! NEED I REMIND ANYBODY THAT WE WEREN'T ATTACKED UNTIL HE WAS IN OFFICE? ? ? ? ? ?

We say we're fighting terrorism so our citizens don't feel threatened. Are we the only country in the world that fights terrorism? ? ? ? ? ? Doesn't anyone think that if WE were attacked, MAYBE some other country feels threatened BY US? ? ? ? ? Are we a country of retards that no one can see this? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

And if you aren't offended enough yet, here's another ClickWitch gem to piss you off.

Who really gives a crap about 9/11?? And why? Because somebody had the balls to get us on our own soil? ? ? Oh my god, some Americans died, let's get all pissy about it. It's okay when the rest of the world dies, but we're Americans, dammit. We invented McDonald's. You can't kill us. That's just not fair.

And the rest of the world actually played bleeding heart to us for a little while. Our fat, lazy, football-watching, blogging asses were pitied. For about a second. What the fuck happened after that?

I have to give W. at least a little bit of credit. He unified the entire world into hating us. Not every inbred idiot can unify the world.

And this isn't even all about "terrorism". There are issues all across the board. I can't even begin to scrape the tip of the thinly veiled pile of dogshit over which we ruminate.

United we stand, right? YOU FUCKING HYPOCRITES! I imagine that neither us, nor our parents, nor our children, nor our children's children, have or will ever see a time when our country's people were SO sharply and violently divided. The only comparable instance i can bring to mind is the Civil War; and from the looks of it, this scenario could very well bring about another civil war.

Of course, this is all pointless, as election day is now over. So....sorry you had to hear all of this, in all of its anger in which it was spoken.

I will close with one of my favourite photos.

[Beast_Pete]

I absolutely understand your feelings HvyMtlClickWitch. When in Hungary the Civilpower lost against the so called Socialists (I'd rather call them Capitalists, so what's now? it's absolutely the opposite ideology), I felt the same way. People just don't think over their acts. Why do they vote that person, who proved, that he/she does NOT fit in one's place? Now Hungary is in shit again, maybe in a bigger shit, than it used to be, when the Russians were here.

And what's next? We have to wait another 5 year. Till then, Bush may attack many countries again. Kill innocent people, just for his will to be validated. Let's hope the best of the worst.

[Agent Orange]

Bush - Kerry: 254 - 252

Whoever wins Ohio brings home the gold, and all things point to Bush.

Congratulations, Americans! You have been sweettalked into selling your souls to the devil (who bears a close resemblance to Bush) and he is laughing!

[NordicStorm]

Okay. I just counted it up, and between Bush and Kerry the together now have about 113 million votes. Add one or two or even three million for the independent candidates, and that's 116 million votes. Early reports predicted a record turnout north of a 125 million, possibly beyond 130 million. Where did those votes go?

[Stratovarious]

dammit

[Twilight Legionnaire]

I completely, totally, absolutely agree with everything HvyMtlClickWitch wrote. Some of the things there, I hadn't even thought of.

It's really sad. I know we should respect everyone's opinion and voting options, but when between these two factions.. If George Bush wins, I hope all the Americans that voted for him feel the weight in their hearts. The weight of choosing, once again, for Leader of the World, this man who is, in the eyes of the world, the example of the average american. The weight of having re-elected someone who has no brains to use, and is therefore "advised" by his mates, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz mostly, in most, if not ALL of his decisions. The weight of having chosen, once again, a man who can only see two things in life: his allies, and his enemies. A man who sees nothing beyond the horizons defined by his advisors from the Pentagon.

I do not think american people understand the laughter - yes, the laughter - they create in Europe. Every time we wear those Bushist opinions from both citizens and high ranks of the government, we laugh. Too bad we won't laugh for long - who knows when G. W. will strike our countries for "not being with him".

Most of the american people I know aren't like that. And I'm sure they realise that what was said is a fact. I'm sorry that you had to go through this thanks to your fellow american citizens who supported George W. Bush.



I thought I'd paste this here, it's good reading. It's from the first of November.

11/1/04

Friends,

This is it. ONE DAY LEFT. There are many things I’d like to say. I’ve been on the road getting out the vote for 51 straight days so I haven’t had much time to write. So I’ve put together a bunch of notes to various groups all in this one letter. Please feel free to copy and send whatever portions are appropriate to your friends and family as you spend these last 24 hours trying to convince whomever you can to show up and vote for John Kerry.

Here are my final words…

To Decent Conservatives and Recovering Republicans:

In your heart of hearts you know Bush is a miserable failure. From having no plan on what to do in Iraq once he conquered Baghdad to the 380 missing tons of explosives that could be used to kill our brave young men and women, this guy doesn’t have a clue how to fight and win a war. You should see the mail I’ve been getting lately from our troops over there. They know how much the Iraqi people hate them. They are sitting ducks anytime they go out on the road. Many believe we are not that far away from a Tet-style offensive inside the Green Zone with hundreds of Americans and Brits killed.
Bush refused to go after and capture Osama bin Laden. He fought, every step of the way, the investigation into the 9/11 attacks. Who on earth would oppose such a thing? If 3,000 people died at your place of work and your boss said we don’t need to find out why or how it happened, he’d be thrown out on his ear. Bush’s behavior after this great tragedy alone is reason enough for his removal.
You already know that George W. Bush is the farthest thing from a conservative. He’s a reckless spender who has run up record-breaking deficits and the biggest debt in our history. He believes in having the government pry into everything from your library records to your bedroom. He has hit you with hidden taxes with his tax cuts for the rich.
I know many of you don’t like Bush, but are unsure of Kerry. Give the new guy a chance. He won’t raise your taxes (unless you are super-rich), he won’t take your hunting gun away, and he won’t make you visit France. He risked his life for you many years ago. He’s asking for the chance to do it again. Scott McConnell at The American Conservative magazine has endorsed him. What more do you need?

To My Friends on the Left:

Okay, Kerry isn’t everything you wished he would be. You’re right. He’s not you! Or me. But we’re not on the ballot – Kerry is. Yes, Kerry was wrong to vote for authorization for war in Iraq but he was in step with 70% of the American public who was being lied to by Bush & Co. And once everyone learned the truth, the majority turned against the war. Kerry has had only one position on the war – he believed his president.
President Kerry had better bring the troops home right away. My prediction: Kerry’s roots are anti-war. He has seen the horrors of war and because of that he will avoid war unless it is absolutely necessary. Ask most vets. But don’t ask someone whose only horror was when he arrived too late for a kegger in Alabama.
There’s a reason Bush calls Kerry the Number One Liberal in the Senate – THAT’S BECAUSE HE IS THE NUMBER ONE LIBERAL IN THE SENATE! What more do you want? My friends, this is about as good as it gets when voting for the Democrat. We don’t have the #29 Liberal running or the #14 Liberal or even the #2 Liberal – we got #1! When has that ever happened?
Those of us who may be to the left of the #1 liberal Democrat should remember that this year conservative Democrats have had to make a far greater shift in their position to back Kerry than we have. We’re the ones always being asked to make the huge compromises and to always vote holding our noses. No nose holding this time. This #1 liberal is not the tweedledee to Bush’s tweedledum.

To Nader Voters:

See the above note.
Ralph’s own party, the Green Party, would not endorse his run this year. That’s because those of us who want to build a third party in this country know that the only way to do this is to build bridges with those who believe in the issues Nader believes in. But not one of those people will sacrifice the chance to remove George W. Bush from the White House on Tuesday. The choice here is clear: do we join with our friends, or do we piss on them?
After the debacle of 2000, the Democrats got smart and abandoned the conservative wing of their party. That’s why 8 of the 9 Democrats in the primaries this year were from the liberal wing. Ralph should take credit for that and declare victory. It’s so sad that he doesn’t realize the good he’s accomplished. But for reasons only known to him, he’s more angry at the Democrats than he is at Bush. He has lost his compass. I worry he has lost his mind. But he still gives a great speech!
And Lila Lipscomb, the mother from Flint who lost her son in Iraq, she still grieves -- as do the mothers of 1,120 others (not to mention the mothers of the 100,000 Iraqis who have died because of Bush’s war). That’s what this election is about. Not Ralph proving some point. Almost none of us on his 2000 advisory group are supporting him this year. His total lack of respect for his best friends should tell all of you something about what he really thinks of you, too.

To the Non-Swing States:

Stop listening to how your vote doesn’t count in this election and that your state is already decided for Kerry or Bush. It is critical that you vote because we not only need to give Kerry the electoral win, but he needs to have a HUGE mandate with an ENORMOUS popular vote victory as well. It will be impossible for him to get anything done for four years if there is no clear mandate. We must not only defeat Bush, we must put a stake in the heart of the right-wing, neo-con movement. If you live in New York, California, Illinois, Texas, the Northeast or the Deep South, you need to vote and you need to bring ten people with you to the polls. If you live in a state where we have the chance to elect the Democrat to the Senate or the House, you need to vote. Turn off the TV. Quit listening to news media that has a vested interest in repeating to you over and over that your vote does not count. It does.
If you have friends or relatives who live in the 30-plus non-swing states, call them and remind them how important it is that Kerry gets a massive popular vote victory.

To Non-Voters:

I understand why you stopped voting. Politicians suck. Nothing ever seems to change. You’re only one vote.
Yes, politicians suck. But so do car salesmen – and that hasn’t stopped you from buying a car. Politicians only respond to the threat of the angry mob also known as the voting public. If most people don’t vote, that’s good news for them ‘cause then they don’t have to answer to the majority.
Almost fifty percent of Americans don’t vote. That means you belong to the largest political party in America – the Non-Voting Party. That means you hold all the power to toss George W. Bush out of the Oval Office. How cool is that?
I believe that we are going to have the largest election turnout in our lifetime tomorrow. You don’t want to miss out on that. The lines at the polls are going to be long and raucous and fun. It is an historic election. You won’t want to say that you were the only one who wasn’t there. Promise me you’ll vote, just this one time.

To All First-Time Voters:

Welcome to the longest running, uninterrupted democracy on earth! You own it. It’s yours.
A few words about how messy it’s going to be tomorrow. The lines are going to be long. Bring your iPods. Better yet, bring a friend or two. The election officials have no clue just how many millions are going to show up at the polls. This will be the largest turnout in our lifetime. They don’t have enough machines. They are going to have to send for more ballots.
And they are going to make it difficult for you to vote. The new law says if this is your first time voting you must bring ID with you that matches the address you are registered at.
If for some reason they can’t find your name on the voting rolls, you have the right to ask for a provisional ballot, which you can fill out and then sort things out later.
If you have any problems at the polling place, please call 1-866-OUR-VOTE. The people there can tell you how to find the precinct where you should be voting, get you legal help if you are denied the right to vote, or answer any other questions you may have.
If you need any help figuring out the ballot, don’t be afraid to ask. If you screw up your ballot, you can ask for another one. In fact, the law allows you to screw up your ballot two times before you finally have to submit your final ballot! Be careful to vote on the line that says John F. Kerry/John Edwards. Don’t vote for more than one Presidential, Senate or House candidate or you ballot won’t be counted. If your polling place has a stub or a receipt from your ballot, make sure they give you one.
Thanks for joining us. Democracy is not a spectator sport. It only works when we all come off the bench and participate.

To African Americans:

First of all, let’s just acknowledge what you already know: America is a country which still has a race problem, to put it nicely. Al Gore would be president today had thousands of African Americans not had their right to vote stolen from them in Florida in 2000.
Here is my commitment: I will do everything I can to make sure that this will not happen again. And I’m not the only one making this pledge. Thousands of volunteer lawyers are flying to Florida to act as poll watchers and intervene should there be any attempts to deny anyone their right to vote. They will NOT be messing around.
For my part, I have organized an army of 1,200 professional and amateur filmmakers who will be armed with video cameras throughout the states of Florida and Ohio. At the first sign of criminality, we will dispatch a camera crew to where the vote fraud is taking place and record what is going on. We will put a big public spotlight on any wrongdoing by Republican officials in those two states. They will not get away with this as they did in 2000.
In Ohio, the Republicans are sending almost 2,000 paid “poll challengers” into the black precincts of Cleveland in an attempt to stop African Americans from voting. This action is beyond despicable. Do not let this stop you from voting. I, and thousand of others, will be there to fight for you and protect you.

To George W.:

I know it’s gotta be rough for you right now. Hey, we’ve all been there. “You’re fired” are two horrible words when put together in that order. Bin Laden surfacing this weekend to remind the American people of your total and complete failure to capture him was a cruel trick or treat. But there he was. 3,000 people were killed and he’s laughing in your face. Why did you stop our Special Forces from going after him? Why did you forget about bin Laden on the DAY AFTER 9/11 and tell your terrorism czar to concentrate on Iraq instead?
There he was, OBL, all tan and rested and on videotape (hey, did you get the feeling that he had a bootleg of my movie? Are there DVD players in those caves in Afghanistan?)
Speaking of my movie – can I ask you a personal question before we part ways for good on Tuesday? Why did you and your friends fund SIX “documentaries” trashing me -- but only ONE film against Kerry? C’mon, he was the candidate, not me. What a waste of your time and resources! Sure, I know what your pollsters told you, that the film had convinced some people to vote you out. I just want you to know that that was not my original intent. Funny things happen at the movies. Hope you get to see a few at the multiplex in Waco. It’s a great way to relax.

To John Kerry:

Thank you.
And don’t worry – none of us are going away after you are inaugurated. We’ll be there to hold your hand and keep you honest. Don’t let us down. We’re betting you won’t. So is the rest of the world.

That’s it. See you at the polls – and at the victory party tomorrow night.

Yours,
Michael Moore
www.michaelmoore.com

[Sknight2112]

well as of today bush has won. he's got 269 electoral AND the popular vote. Suck major for us, but what can I say, people are dumb.
I can't really figure out why anyone would vote for him, the world didnt hate us until he got into office and strated playing with things he shouldnt. HE doesnt really make us safer since we are losing more citizens everyday as they get hit with suicide bombs and RPGs in Iraq.

Oh well, shit happens and America is screwed for another four years, hopefully 2008 will have canditates with some more sense...

[Twilight Legionnaire]

Oh well, shit happens and America is screwed for another four years

Not only America.

[Lucid Faia]

Let's talk unexpected. Bush actually won. Basically the election came down to Florida and my state of Ohio. Kerry couldn't get either one. I can't believe it. Kerry actually won Franklin county (where I live) and Cuyahoga county, the two biggest ones, but still couldn't pull it off. Rural Ohio cancelled them out. Just great. We've got hicks and bigots deciding who we put in office.