What was main reason behind Iraq war

[\m/ KILLER \m/]

there could be many reasons of course.
just vote for the reason you think is most important reason of all the reasons

[Wanderer]

Hmm... Thre wasn't an option that "Because George W. Bush wanted". If you know what I mean.. :uzi:

[NordicStorm]

You don't think one topic is enough? Heh.

But, here's a joke for you. From the Chappelle's Show, I think:
- How can Bush be so sure Saddam has WMDs?
- Because he still has the receipt!

[Wanderer]

That's a good one... But I didn't start this topic.. Probably I sould've just ingnore this one too...

[htcdude]

Who knows what goes on their minds it could've started for all those reasons

[shaz]

Now that George W. has "liberated" Iraq, I wonder who's going to free the US from their dictatorship..

[NeonVomit]

Why do you hate America so much?

[Beast_Pete]

(1578+13)

Now that George W. has "liberated" Iraq, I wonder who's going to free the US from their dictatorship..

Now that's a good question.

[gon]

You don't think one topic is enough? Heh.

But, here's a joke for you. From the Chappelle's Show, I think:
- How can Bush be so sure Saddam has WMDs?
- Because he still has the receipt!

good joke!

[gon]

Why do you hate America so much?

man, we don´t hate America. We hate some attitudes of some americans, that´s all. You should know what I am talking as you are european too.

[NeonVomit]

man, we don´t hate America. We hate some attitudes of some americans, that´s all. You should know what I am talking as you are european too.

Yes, I know, i feel exactly the same way. It's just a long-running joke I have with friends to say 'Why do you hate America so much?'


Yes I know you didnt know about it. I'm bored. Hence im on an internet forum. *sigh*

[Ricardo_Christyan]

Because they want to bring democracy and freedom to the rest of the world just like their country?

Because those fucking terrorists hate america and must be stopped, they represent a threat to usa national security?

Because they are nice guys worried about the safety of iraq people?

[Agent Orange]

The US wanted one and one thing only: OIL. People came to me with evidence that that's not true, but IMO, all other options are invalid, so oil is the only reaosn I can think of (and makes the most sense to me)

@ NeonVomit: We hate your president (and some of his sidekicks too), he's done nothing to change the world for the better (all he did was make it worse) and I'm sure he'll keep the same course like he did the previous 4 years and enrage more countries with his foreign policy. IMO, the ones who voted for him are stupid and blind (though I doubt Kerry would do it any better).

[Sir. Decadence]

Well, all that Bush needs is FEAR.
Media helps him to realize his aims to frighten people with these "terrorism things".
If people are afraid they lean on government more and more - and finally we have dictatorship.
I guess there will be some "terror attack" which is worse than 9/11 and which will propably turn US's "democracy" (officialy) to dictatorship, because of state of emergency - I hope I'm wrong.
Fear rules the world and that's reality.

[NeonVomit]

@ NeonVomit: We hate your president (and some of his sidekicks too), he's done nothing to change the world for the better (all he did was make it worse) and I'm sure he'll keep the same course like he did the previous 4 years and enrage more countries with his foreign policy. IMO, the ones who voted for him are stupid and blind (though I doubt Kerry would do it any better).

Im not American I'm not even British. I come from Cyprus...

[fifthtea_sausage]

I've never seen a more blatant use of sugarcoated "fact' opinions in my life. Wanderer, saying there should be an option "just because he wanted" is just plain spam and it is offensive to me, a proud supporter of g dub.

America has done nothing to your countries, mainly all of you.
We have freed the Iraqi people.
We have dethroned Saddam.
We have made the world a better place, subsequently.

[NeonVomit]

try telling the thousands of dead iraqi civilians that

[\m/ KILLER \m/]

I've never seen a more blatant use of sugarcoated "fact' opinions in my life.

Sure dude whatever.

You had the 30 countries in the "coalition of willing." 150 countries did not join, surely all those countries were brainwashed!

60 million usa voters 48% didn't want bush. all those 60 millions, brainwashed too!

thats typical reaction from right wing usa guy on a forum where another bush flame war breaks out: brain washed! all of them! stupid solcialists and europeans! and america haters! saddam had wmds! and if he didn't we saved the iraquies! and if we didn't do that he was threat anyway!

you should face the real possibility that its YOU whos the brainwashed one.

Being anti bush doesn't mean being anti american. big difference! fifthtea you remember 60 million americans disagree with you too that bush is a great president. 60 million wanted him replaced. 60 million of your own people. that it was so close should should tell you something. maybe just maybe the guy is not so good

[gon]

Being anti bush doesn't mean being anti american. big difference!




Absolutely true! to the american patriot guy:


you americans don´t know the real meaning of WAR, because your houses are not destroyed, your wifes not killed and forced, your sons not tortured by soldiers. You haven´t suffered any war in your country since the XIX century....You related terrorism. WE KNOW WHAT TERRORISM MEANS! Not you! We hate terrorism, as we have it since more than 100 years! also we had attacks from mad terrorists from everywhre, with different ideologies, but we didn´t think a war is the best solution! You are always involved in wars, it´s in your blood man. But the reason of this war is OIL! you have cars that spend more than 10 litres every 100 kms. The price of the oil is every day higher and higher, but instead of reduce the use of oil in your country making a different type of cars, more economic, you prefer to invade and destroy a country ( because the massive destruction weapons never appeard...even your presidente admit it!) with the excuse of terrorism and establish the democracy. Which democracy? in Irak every day there are around 500 people dead! I know you will never know that, as the U.S. is censored by authorities, but in Europe we have a different point of view ( in general, ouf course there are exceptions....) Why you don´t support the Kyoto protocol? your economic deficit is the highest in your history ( Clinton left the White House with your economy balanced and quite well) but your president prefers to waste the money in a country which their people NEVEr will love or appreciate an american by many and different reasons. So think about the fact that not everybody loves America, because America didn´t do so much in that sense! but We don´t hate americans man! thanks to America, Europe was rebuilt after the Second War World, and we like many things coming from the other side of the Ocean. But not everything. Your president thinks" if you are not with me, you are against me" and that´s not true at all! You are wrong in many ways, and the problem is that america doesn´t want to admit and to mend their errors, what´s more, they prefer to continue being wrong! Your president should work harder to improve his nation, instead of destroying other countries.

By the way, Berlusconi proclamed that Italy will retire their troops from Irak. Does it means Bush will invade Italy? after Spain?

[MaFiaBoY]

It's a mystery, we will never know...

OBTW, I read an article in a french magazine (Marianne, for those who know it) about how they managed to recruit new soldiers to go in Iraq. No one wants to get into the Army so they even go in elementary school to make some propanganda like they do it vey well to make sure the kids get in the army when they're older... God bless America !!

[khamael]

@Gon...

I agree with you man, with the most parts of your post...

To be anti-bush is not to be anti-American...
Not agree with his foreign policy is not be against America.

[gon]

@Gon...

I agree with you man, with the most parts of your post...

To be anti-bush is not to be anti-American...
Not agree with his foreign policy is not be against America.

sorry man. I didn´t understand the meaning of your last phrase.

[khamael]

@Gon
If a country like France dont agree with G.W Bush foreign politics, it doesnt mean that France is anti-american.

[fifthtea_sausage]

Guys, I just wrote up a rather large post.
All of it was just deleted by some key combination I pressed

I really like hearing your opinions and liked your post a lot Gon. I respect your opinion.

Killer, this is probably the final time I am going to have to reply to one of your comments. You claim I am "Brainwashed." How is this so? Just because you do not agree with me there is something wrong with me? Perhaps you should get down to the real world and realize there are some people who may disagree with you. What more, there are people out there (I am not saying "me") that are much smarter than you and many of those have voted for Bush. What makes you think that there isn't a valid side to my argument? I have acknowledged already that the other side made a valid point. But you are very stubborn. Please just get real here.

And guys, whats with the whole "invade Italy" and "invade France" trend here? You KNOW that the United States will not do something like that. But you say these things anyway.

This applies to all of you.
Just because Bush invaded Iraq for reasons that you don't agree with, this does not make him:

1) Satan
2) Evil
3) Stupid
4) Fascist
5) A dictator
6) Brainwashed

I will be satisfied when I hear at least one of you say that perhaps Bush has done some right things, or he had a point. But its all just attack-attack-attack with you people, isn't it? The only person who is not hopeless here is Gon, because he isn't at least aggressive here with his opinions.

[gon]

@Gon
If a country like France dont agree with G.W Bush foreign politics, it doesnt mean that France is anti-american.

Man, that´s the meaning of my message! read it again please!

[khamael]

huh....i understood that, just want to highlight this opinion also by myself

[MaFiaBoY]

As for me, I'm against people who voted for Bush, and more than half of the american people voted for Bush, therefore...

[gon]

to Fifth.... (I like your nick BTW !):

man, I don´t want to attack your nation, It´s a great country in all senses, and its influence in many aspects is positive, but here in Europe we are anooyed with the position of your president. We consideer he´s not a valid president for U.S.A., and, consequently, the relations with Europe, except Britain, of course, are a bit damaged because of the war, because of the enviroment politic of his administration, because,and that´s important, because his attitude and manners! Here we have a certain view of America, in general is positive, we know a lot about its culture as was established by europeans ( imposible to deny that America is a place of emigrants..) but then we get surprised when lots of american people, don´t know nothing about the rest of the world, they think the word beggins and ends in America! and that´s a problem, specially for U.S.A. I mean, if America´s politicians would have a better knowledge of the rest of the world, sure they actions ( militar or not) would be much better and good for everybody. But they started a war without consideering all the risks after the conflict was over; sometimes is better to use words instead of guns; that´s what we claim here, they need to think twice what they are going to do, to avoid incredible big mistakes and lies, for example, massive destruction weapons???!!!! democracy in Irak? come on! if you want oil, say inmediately. But they should take care of the internal problems, instead of trying to "find solutions" of the problems of the rest of the world; we need U.S.A. but not at any price, specially when CEE is rising at last, China is becoming the super nation everybody afraid will be one day ( here is incredible the amount of products manufactured of China you can see everywhere) and the relations must be as fluent as possible. All this is not an attack to U.S.A. But they must think about some extremely important things, specially for themselves.

You know that all empires along the history were destroyed, not by foreign countries; no, they fell because of its internal problems....


Well, after all this.. this weekend I am going to have a big burger with C.Cola and chips! I am not a fan of this kind of food, but sometimes it´s not bad.

[fifthtea_sausage]

Well, after all this.. this weekend I am going to have a big burger with C.Cola and chips! I am not a fan of this kind of food, but sometimes it´s not bad.

Its funny that you say that. Really, most Americans ironically don't eat the food they are stereotyped for. Chinese and Japanese are really popular in my area, in particular. I guess the media put a pretty bad message on the junk food at McDonalds/stuff like that.

Well Gon, you are from Spain, correct? You from all people should be backing President Bush for his aggressive efforts against the war on terror. Just a year ago, the anarchists blew up women and children, all civilians, in your country. Should we be patient with these people? No. Whether this has to do with Iraq or not, Bush is doing an amazing job fighting the war on terror. This is why the terrorists wanted Kerry to win so much; they knew that if Bush won again he'd give them one hard time.

Iraq, I suppose, was not terrorist. They were a fascist dictatorship. I don't really want to continue discussing Iraq at this point.

As for the arrogant attitudes of Americans, I'm really surprised to hear that. Where I live, people are so open to other cultures that it even makes me mad. It seems like we, Americans, are being hated within ourselves, while we have this dumbfounding appreciation for other countries. And I'm really sorry, and ashamed, that people from my country behave arrogantly in yours.

[\m/ KILLER \m/]

Well Gon, you are from Spain, correct? You from all people should be backing President Bush for his aggressive efforts against the war on terror.

Yeah spanish people are for sure backing bush, just look how immune from ANY terrorist attacks those two wars made spain!!! yep spain is safe now that spain helped with iraq and kicked some serious iraq ass, nobody would be (in your words) "too eager to mess with" spain, right! or wait 1 minute...........................

Just a year ago, the anarchists blew up women and children, all civilians, in your country. Should we be patient with these people? No.

.................. but how can that be, when all the terrorists asses were kicked in iraq and afghanistan!? how come they are able to "mess with" spain anyway? you dont suppose that war money could have been spent better on the intelligence service?

Whether this has to do with Iraq or not, Bush is doing an amazing job fighting the war on terror. This is why the terrorists wanted Kerry to win so much; they knew that if Bush won again he'd give them one hard time.

lets see how amazing you think his job is after next terrorist attack, wherever it is.

Iraq, I suppose, was not terrorist. They were a fascist dictatorship. I don't really want to continue discussing Iraq at this point.

You don't want to discuss Iraq, in a thread which is about Iraq ? ?

You should at least pay attention to the voting results which are above, i think they say it all.....................