Why exactly didn't the band like Stratovarius album?

[Me, My Enemy]

...But there's one thing I would like to know...
It's not the story and questions why and how...
I realized something on the Elements Album pt.1 but for I just have the Elements Albums I have no comparison:
In this Stratovarius sign, you know this symbol, is a break or something on the elements album and I don't know if it has something to do with this breakup, because it was at that time, wasn't it?
Maybe you all know why or all know that there's nothing special behind it, but I don't and I would be interested, so maybe you could help me?

[black death]

...But there's one thing I would like to know...
It's not the story and questions why and how...
I realized something on the Elements Album pt.1 but for I just have the Elements Albums I have no comparison:
In this Stratovarius sign, you know this symbol, is a break or something on the elements album and I don't know if it has something to do with this breakup, because it was at that time, wasn't it?
Maybe you all know why or all know that there's nothing special behind it, but I don't and I would be interested, so maybe you could help me?

What symbol? Do you mean the lily? It's on all Strato albums since Visions (1997)

[Me, My Enemy]

Yes, this thing I mean, I know it's everywhere, it's in the band name as well but for example in the band name there is no break in the symbol, this was, what I meant...maybe I can show you, I'll search for a picture in google or I will scann this and edit this post, just a bit of time...will be back soon lol

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...here for example, it doesn't have this break:
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/31GW7941Q7L.jpg

and I can't find a picture because it's on the CD itself:
If you look at Elements pt 1, on the CD, on the left there is a hole, that seems as it was done with something like a speer or a knife or I don't know...You know what I mean?

[black death]

and I can't find a picture because it's on the CD itself:
If you look at Elements pt 1, on the CD, on the left there is a hole, that seems as it was done with something like a speer or a knife or I don't know...You know what I mean?

Well, I can't remember now what's on the album itself and I don't have it here with myself. I'll look when I'm at home.
Maybe someone else will tell you meanwhile

[stratobabius]

Couldn't it just be a new design of the lily in the latest album?
That hole on the Elements Pt.1 album resembles(or is?) an insect stuck in amber.

[Me, My Enemy]

Don't know...I just thought it could have a meaning, never said it had one. Don't think it has many things in common with an insect but the lily looks as if it were of amber indeed. Was there ever written/mentioned anything about this? Or does anyone know for sure? (I like little signes if there are some, but sometimes - like now - I don't know if it is one or not, but yes of course, it could also just be decoration)

[black death]

I guess it's like stratobabius wrote...an insect stuck in amber ...just a work of the designer
Btw. it's not only on the CD itself, but also on the back side of the CD case

[Me, My Enemy]

Hm, yeah, maybe ^^" I tried to see an insect now, as you mentioned it, and yes, I can imagine it's an insect
I just knew it's on the CD for sure and it's not on the cover on the frontside, so I better mentioned that, before one has to search for what I mean.

[Rantanen]

Last Christmas I went to a big church mass on X-mas Eve with my parents and my brother in Helsinki. I wasn't feeling comfortable so I got up from the seat, struggled my way across a couple of seated persons, apologised and went down the stairs and out of the whole building, all this into maybe 10 minutes of the hour-long service. I'm born in 1977, hey, so I can make my own decisions. But I might have caused a slight distraction in the eys of some. My family was nonchalant, they didn't really mind. We're not religious in any special way. It's just a tradition. I just thought, for f*ck's sake, I've seen this entertainment thru and thru, so I got up and left. Walked around for the rest of the time, smoked cigarettes in the cool winter eve. I was pretty much the only one who left (so early at least). Now am I an anti-christ or what?!

[AMBR@BEC]

No, just w/o directiion or education. I'll leave it at that.

Reigion and faith are not the same things. When does that become apparent?

And why is this discussion in this topic? Better question.

[Me, My Enemy]

AMBR@BEC wrote:
Reigion and faith are not the same things. When does that become apparent

lol, there are never two words meaning the same, otherwise there wouldn't be two words (in one language of course) . I think, in the first moment one reads this, one might think: oh yeah, very clever...of course there are some words meaning the same, there are so many words...but it won't ever be they are completely the same thing...sometimes on has another meaning as well or has something subliminal. I tried to find similar words in my mothertongue, but I failed...teachers of mine tried too but they also failed ^^"

But...

And why is this discussion in this topic? Better question.

echehe...talking about similar words is not the point of this topic, too ^^" ^^" ^^" , so I should better stop it

[exe knight]

This is not about the Stratovarius, but I'd like to ask:
"THIS RECORD IS DEDICATED TO THE SPIRIT OF TWILIGHT" wtf, what does that mean?

(also who is Tollki? he has written the lyrics of Lead us into light... )

[RazielSR]

Wow! Timo Tolkki speaks on this board? And he has more than 600 posts??


Please Tolkki, don't be angry with Kotipelto and hey Kotipelto, don't be angry with Tolkki. The same with the other members. Never again!!

You are so great and makes me think there's hope for the music.

But, hey I prefer Jari vs Porra.

Please come to Valencia again for your new world tour!!

Best regards and thanks to make me happy with music again.

[stratohawk]

Welcome!

Please Tolkki, don't be angry with Kotipelto and hey Kotipelto, don't be angry with Tolkki. The same with the other members. Never again!!

Ehm, the split was 3 years ago... Who is still talking about that stuff? It's past.

But, hey I prefer Jari vs Porra.

You might not be the only one, but that's also no point that can be discussed.

[RazielSR]

Welcome!

Please Tolkki, don't be angry with Kotipelto and hey Kotipelto, don't be angry with Tolkki. The same with the other members. Never again!!

Ehm, the split was 3 years ago... Who is still talking about that stuff? It's past.

But, hey I prefer Jari vs Porra.

You might not be the only one, but that's also no point that can be discussed.

Yes, I know it was 3 years ago, but when I think about it, I say: "please, never again". So, I'm a bit scared.

[stratohawk]

Welcome!

Please Tolkki, don't be angry with Kotipelto and hey Kotipelto, don't be angry with Tolkki. The same with the other members. Never again!!

Ehm, the split was 3 years ago... Who is still talking about that stuff? It's past.

But, hey I prefer Jari vs Porra.

You might not be the only one, but that's also no point that can be discussed.

Yes, I know it was 3 years ago, but when I think about it, I say: "please, never again". So, I'm a bit scared.

I see, and I understand. Well, maybe try to see it from this point of view: The band "Stratovarius" is now existent for more than 20 years!! That's pretty much! Of course there are changes in lineup, that's absolutely normal. And hey, ask everyone in this forum, nobody wants this lineup to change. But if it happens, it happens. TT is the main songwriter, and as long as he continues, Stratovarius will continue to exist and to make music.
I mean, the story of Stratovarius has its ups and downs, but it's still the story of a great and succesful band! 11 "regular" albums (plus compilations, best-ofs, raritys, singles, ...), countless shows ALL around the world, a huge fan-base - Stratovarius have reached more than many other metal bands, and there's still no end in sight.

[black death]

I see, and I understand. Well, maybe try to see it from this point of view: The band "Stratovarius" is now existent for more than 20 years!! That's pretty much! Of course there are changes in lineup, that's absolutely normal. And hey, ask everyone in this forum, nobody wants this lineup to change. But if it happens, it happens. TT is the main songwriter, and as long as he continues, Stratovarius will continue to exist and to make music.
I mean, the story of Stratovarius has its ups and downs, but it's still the story of a great and succesful band! 11 "regular" albums (plus compilations, best-ofs, raritys, singles, ...), countless shows ALL around the world, a huge fan-base - Stratovarius have reached more than many other metal bands, and there's still no end in sight.

Yes, I completely agree , but...there is always some BUT

Of course there are changes in lineup, that's absolutely normal. And hey, ask everyone in this forum, nobody wants this lineup to change.

I can imagine one really nice change...
Oh, sorry, I couldn't help myself . Forget it everyone who read this!