US president 2008: Candidates, discussion, and the rest...

[icecab21]

I think this chart might do well do serve in campaigns. The guys need to use more visuals since the words just seem to fly in one ear and out the other. Since they can't sit down and show every American what the plans do might as well at least add the visuals of charts. Now hopefully with those visuals they will give adequate explanation since explanation of visuals goes over heads too. Hence we have political problem number one with democratic voting systems and non involvement.

[miditek]

***Scenario exercises for the incoming president***

Let's see how President Obama would handle some of the following hypothetical scenarios from some sample daily briefings from Langley (CIA H.Q.)

The first of several- more later

*** TOP SECRET- SENSITIVE MATERIAL***
White House Daily Briefing from the Directorate of Central Intelligence


Theater of Operations: Pacific Rim
Reported by: U.S. Naval intelligence

U.S. Pacific fleet command aerial and satcom intel reveals massive movements of LST (Landing Ship Tank) craft and other amphibious warships being staged at the People's Naval base at Xiamen, as well as increased reports of aerial surveillance over Formosa with most flight sorties originating from the People's airbase at Fuzhou.

CoC of U.S. Pacific Fleet also has reviewed reports that all leaves and furloughs of PLA (People's Liberation Army) personnel in the area have been canceled until further notice. Food rationing and civil defense drills have been instituted in the Guangdong and Fujian provincial areas. Possible precursor to amphibious invasion, although bi-annual war games have yet to be ruled out pending further analysis of incoming intel.

*** TOP SECRET- SENSITIVE MATERIAL***
White House Daily Briefing from the Directorate of Central Intelligence


Theater of Operations: Middle East
Reported by: CENTCOM
Re: Fallout of pre-election IDF attack on Bushrer plant

Tensions currently high between Israel and her neighbors following 28 October 2008 air raid on the Bushrer plant, which was presumably destroyed by JDAM munitions with tac nuclear warheads. Elements of the Black Sea fleet performing joint exercises in the Persian Gulf with elements of the Iranian navy. Causing hazards to existing shipping lanes. Kremlin military attache' insolent in regards to our protests.

Cross border incursions into Iraq by IRG units becoming more commonplace, and CoC of theater currently sees this as a test of U.S. resolve on the Iraq-Iran border.

Suicide attacks against US and Israeli interests in the Gulf growing at a steady clip, and with increasing frequency and ferocity. Tel Aviv voicing complaints regarding cross-border raids by Egyptian forces to the South, as well as Syrian forces to the North. All are being read as probing exercises.

[icecab21]

I think it would be interesting if they had some situation simulations for the candidates to do over as part of the campaign. We will see if the "just ask McCain" philosophy works best. It’s also a shame bush did not ask McCain, things could have been handled better and broader. With McCain being more liberal than bush, that will make him more into options and comprehensive approaches that utilize resources smarter. Bush and his "no need for conversation" mixed with his collective punishment support is leaving some gaps in the fighting of collective punishment/terror against the USA. That might just be projecting the Matilda father attitude that some of the country has about this onto bush but I still don’t think he is being strict enough to counter the actions of our chosen allies when they commit crimes against our chosen foes.

[browneyedgirl]

Here is something cute.

For guys who fantasize about Palin getting into their pants, heres the next best thong, I mean, thing!
And, Obama has his own line of campaign underwear, too. One pattern is zebra-stripe, the other has tiny Oreo cookies pattern. >joke< Actually they are just like Palin's except with an Obama pic.
Man, thats one way to kill a potentially hot, romantic evening. Undress your mate and see one of those faces staring at you. Now THATS birth control that would work!


BTW, seriously. Do you all think Bush might bomb Iran before he is totally out? I mean, by the first of January.

[miditek]

BTW, seriously. Do you all think Bush might bomb Iran before he is totally out? I mean, by the first of January.

I think that air and missile strikes by the IDF against the Bushrer plant in Iran are far more likely before the new SAM (Surface to Air Missile) network purchased from Russia gets lit up. It's scheduled to go on-line sometime next month, if the project is still on schedule. Moreover, Prime Minister Ohlmert is scheduled to step down later this week.

I don't think that IDF attacks on Iran will be helpful for the Obama campaign- particularly when it's so close to the election, although I believe that Israel's timetable is set to much more of a military rather than political slant. Common sense would dictate that it would be much easier to strike Bushrer effectively before the SAM site is operational, and the fact that the U.S. presidential elections are so close is largely, if not entirely, coincidental.

[browneyedgirl]

BTW, seriously. Do you all think Bush might bomb Iran before he is totally out? I mean, by the first of January.

I think that air and missile strikes by the IDF against the Bushrer plant in Iran are far more likely before the new SAM (Surface to Air Missile) network purchased from Russia gets lit up. It's scheduled to go on-line sometime next month, if the project is still on schedule. Moreover, Prime Minister Ohlmert is scheduled to step down later this week.

I don't think that IDF attacks on Iran will be helpful for the Obama campaign- particularly when it's so close to the election, although I believe that Israel's timetable is set to much more of a military rather than political slant. Common sense would dictate that it would be much easier to strike Bushrer effectively before the SAM site is operational, and the fact that the U.S. presidential elections are so close is largely, if not entirely, coincidental.

So you think it will be an operation carried out by Israel instead of USA? Or, maybe USA will be there in the Gulf maybe to watch Israel's back?
Alot of people are very nervous about this because there is the question of Russia's reaction to a strike on Iran, no matter who does it. Of course alot ofthe Russian leadership maybe just bluster, but if they try to hurt Israel in retaliation I don't even want to think of what MIGHT happen.

[icecab21]

Their motive? WTF? Who gives a shit what their insane motive was?

This woman should run for president

Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and-you guessed it-I don't care !!

Part of a series of quotes that help bring people together and counter problems

[browneyedgirl]

Their motive? WTF? Who gives a shit what their insane motive was?

This woman should run for president

Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and-you guessed it-I don't care !!

Part of a series of quotes that help bring people together and counter problems

Where would you be, icecab21, without that stupid spoon of yours? Or, is it the Spork? Or is it going off-topic when the spirit moves you?
Dig, dig, dig, and if you think I give a shit about your none-so-well disguised bashings toward me, you are flattering yourself, buddy. So, flame on to Hell for all I care!

[icecab21]

It’s not off topic; it’s a possible response towards every topic. It’s an all encompassing statement that covers everything. A complete authoritarian statement of one of the motives of people, and a lack of need for understanding and a blind eye towards reason’s for even the unreasonable. There is a difference between bashing a person and bashing ideas. Those quotes were taken in a context out of what you were saying anyway and that makes it beyond you.
The point of it also is that the media is taken these little clips out of the politician’s speeches. It was meant to be parody of media and not something directed at you just for that sake. It would make a good SNL skit to have the jimmy cracked corn part as a part of a Sara palin speech.
The statement is very in context of Russia, USA, Iran and Israel if people from all sides are going “jimmy cracked corn and I don’t care”. It’s all so harry wormwood in “We’re right they’re wrong, we’re big they’re small, we’re smart they’re dumb. And there's nothing you can do about it.”
i dig with sporks and spifes and fifes and foons.

[browneyedgirl]

And you have made yourself the soul authority of everything posted here, right, icecab21? Where are your idiotic run-on sentences, uncapitalized letters, your choppy incoherent sentences now?

Guess what I have discovered? These "new age" so-called "tolerant" "peace-loving" people who try to spread their sunshine&"acceptance of everything" bullshit all over these forums are ACTUALLY the most narrowminded. hateful, smartass, rigid, control freaks that could ever be imagined! These "new agers" are usually Anti-Christian, Anti-USA, Anti-free speech, and will bash people's ideas that do not fit their fairy-tale grasp on reality.
All a person has to do is to read some of the topics here with an open mind, with no spoon, no agenda, no intent to bash certain members, and its very plain to see what the dominant force tends to be. Or should I say, TRIES to be! A force which tries to force othes to think and believe like they do, or risk being bashed, facepalmed, or have a bunch of stupid childish 4Chan pics posted on their topics.

Chalk one up for the peaceful, tolerant, oh-so-loving New Age bullshit.

And, if anyone does not like it because certain members are conservative, right-wing, or whatever, tough-shit. Its freedom for everyone, or freedom for nobody.

[icecab21]

I was being ironic with this all. Just like the way I post in a silly internet forum, the "jimmy cracked corn" stuff is not effective or reasonable no matter how it's used. Is "jimmy cracked corn" a conservative idea, an idea that does not build bridges, or an idea that does build bridges? Just like my irony and carelessness with grammar does not build bridges, not caring about jimmy and his corn does not either.

I’m not sure what new age would be but it would be very extreme for people to be tolerable of some of the intolerable actions out there. New age would be more of an anti-authoritarian policy. A "think what you want, just consider, and just don't try and force it into my life," policy. I’m not sure where new agers tolerate extremism and people that would act on ideas that would take away their freedom. I’m not new age though but I know that would be taken the representation to a small percent for a whole group.

What does Anti-American mean? What is American? The American government has done some actions that have given life and freedom, and other actions that have taken life and freedom. In this country there has been justice and injustice.

In that letter, does the woman say that she does not care what the USA does to others because of what others have done to the USA? Is that tollorable?

[AAAAAAAAAA]

I'm with BEG on this one..

[browneyedgirl]

Now. Something important.
President debates on TV:
Friday Sept. 26
Tuesday Oct 7
Wednesday Oct 15


Vice-President debate
Thursday Oct 2
(yes, only 1 of these)


I'm going to try to watch if I can. Should be interesting.

[icecab21]

Agree that the jimmy cracked corn thing is a reasonable end to a discussion or that I just completely twisted that? As far as I know the candidates give reasons for their beliefs and stances and are willing to take in information so that they can do a better job solving problems. I have never heard any of them say they are right because jimmy cracked corn and they don’t care about any other information.

new age is a lot more live and let live than ideologies that need to push their lifestyle and demands on to others. New age would also be also using effective means to counter those that would attack a live and let live style. Whatever term people want to use, I favor consensual relationships and actions better than forced relationships and actions. If a person thinks that others should die for a cause, than I think the best solution is that that person die without damaging the freedom of others.

Since humans have more than one ear, things work better when more than one side is heard.

[Stratowarius]

You do not dig with a spoon Icecar. You eat!!! So use the spoon right and eat your porridge. You need to be big and strong so you can fight all the little pebbles that will attack you when you walk on a gravelroad.

[icecab21]

well this guy ate a lot of spoon fulls. I think this guy is very tolerable for food

:stfu:

[Stratowarius]

I suspected that this person was some sort of pattern for you. Congratulations you will soon be there

[icecab21]

I have only about 300 pounds and a pissed off attitude to go till that goal. I'll leave being pissed off to that person and keep the lighter attitude about what I say.

[Stratowarius]

Now you sound unusually clever. Can you keep that attitude for a couple of hours???

[browneyedgirl]

So, icecab21, get back on-topic. Are you going to watch the debates or not?

[icecab21]

Yes of course I’ll be watching the debates. I hope I don't hear of jimmy cracking corn in any answer.

USA=A
Terrorists= B
A should not use tactics of B and A must be above B
And this somehow got to that by saying this I supported B

Families=off limits and going after families would be injustice

It just seemed that by that letter the woman was saying that USA families are more important than families over there. it seemed she was saying “who cares” to collateral damage and "who cares" if innocent people are mistakenly killed in communities over there.

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians."

"Liberals are stalwart defenders of civil liberties - provided we're only talking about criminals. "

ann coulter in 2012 for that strong woman who speaks her mind

[icecab21]

Bank failures are caused by depositors who don't deposit enough money to cover losses due to mismanagement.Dan Quayle

rebublican vp minds at work

[miditek]

Bank failures are caused by depositors who don't deposit enough money to cover losses due to mismanagement.Dan Quayle

rebublican vp minds at work

Quayle? Good grief- this guy hasn't been around in years. Mismanagement for sure at many firms, but also a lot of government interference (as usual) with HUD (Housing and Urban Development) and Equal Housing threatening to sue major mortgage firms and banks due to "disproportionate" racial disparities in loan approval rates.

In other words, they failed to understand why unemployed crack heads shouldn't be allowed a loan that they could never even begin to repay to buy a McMansion that they could never maintain nor even pay the local property taxes and homeowners insurance policy on.

Well, there's always the housing projects- they pay little or no rent there- plus they get food stamps, Medicare, gov't surplus cheese, welfare checks, and other goodies. Why the fuck should they ever try to find a job? There's little or no incentive for them to. And Obongo will keep the gravy train rolling through higher taxes, and thus ensuring that the permanent underclass goes on for yet another generation- its like votes in the bank at taxpayer's expense, of course.

[icecab21]

There are multiple causes to the problems. part being the government creating a anticompetitive environment, part entitlement, and part making it so risky investments get bailed out and having a system where people don't act rational and hold each other accountable. As much as I wish I could say one group has a high ground in this at least both parties have their crooks. We see a few republicans that don't like using logical and accountable accounting practices. We see a few democrats that get too interested in naming luxuries as neccicitys. Then we have the middle, the middle just gets screwed by the wings.

Obama has a great plan, have 95 percent of people vote to decide to force 5 percent of people to pay more money so that 95 percent can pay less money. The fact that people can give as much money to the government as they want needs to be better advertised. But if we really look at what he says, he states that communities and the families are the most important part in helping people and each other. He does not think money alone solves problems.

Look at the statistics of these programs and you will realize that it's greatly exaggerating the failure rate of the system the way you represent it.


Is it better to pay 10g to clump a group with food and shelter and connections to assistance and a work program than to pay 100g to house them in jail?

My view is that letting people to make the consensual choices with their money is the best and that I won’t criticize people that want to help others with their own money and will encourage them to pool money as communities. There is nothing wrong with helping people help themselves as long as people keep the help consensual and don’t demand others money to do so.

[stratohawk]

Mwuahahah!!!! Larry Flint is producing a parody porno called:

WHO'S NALIN' PALIN :bigok:



:facial:

[NeverendingAbyss]

OBAMA!!!

[icecab21]

the bridge to no underwhere
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPE6_jGBlDc&NR=1

[browneyedgirl]

The polls show OBAMA in a very comfortable lead, so keep your fingers crossed.
In case the Elephants try to steal this election, SWAT teams are already prepared in big cities to quell the possible violence.
Just 6 more days, folks!

[AGAG]

Please BEG vote for OBAMA!

[browneyedgirl]

Please BEG vote for OBAMA!

Yes, definitely! I plan on it.
After all the rumors of the hijinx the other party has tried to pull, OBAMA is the only choice. Even lots of Repubs are going to vote for OBAMA.
It has been forecast that OBAMA will win in an almost landslide, McCain might even lose his own state!
So, maybe us working-class will get our country back. Hopefully those big-shits will take that 700trillion $$$$$ and go straight to Hell with it. Maybe they can "take it with them". : That money could have done alot for this country&I do not mean welfare or food stamps, either, although many job programs for the poorest Americans could have been created with no problem with just a 1/10 of that money. The intrastructure in many areas is falling apart--road, bridges, railroads, etc. And, do you realize how many kids could have went to college on even 1% of that amount! The list is endless!
People are really pissed off in the USA--many are on the breaking point. And this bailout was the straw that broke the camels back. Many people are just daring some wealthy, or "privileged" person to pop off their smartass mouth so they can have a reason to beat the shit out of some of these bluebloods.
So, knowing OBAMA is way ahead of McCain in the polls, just let those sonsofbitches try to pull something crooked, let's see 'em try.
It just might be a riot&a bloodbath if they try!