New Edguy album - Tinnitus Sanctus - 14 November

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Re: New Edguy album - Tinnitus Sanctus - 14 November

Post by RazielSR » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:05 pm

I'm not gonna say anything to anybody, and I'm not gonna insult.



It's just that EDGUY MEETS BON JOVI = Bad bon jovi clone and a fantastic ex-power metal band is no more. Now it's just a rock clone band.


EDIT: You can find some interviews where Sammet is answering questions about his "Bon Jovi similitudes."
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Post by icecab21 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:11 pm

In the end we all end up listening that what makes us happy. When together, there can be shared likes and those can be listened to.

Jovi does not have any songs that remind me of wake up dreaming black and many others. Jovi does not pan their guitars like edguy.

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Post by RazielSR » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:28 pm

Of course, the thing is being happy. That's the most important and if you see it, when I talk to you I'm always telling to you "If you have fun, then I'm happy".

What I'm trying to say to you it's obvious, but maybe you are not listening bon jovi so many years like me and you can't see it now, but you'll see it. Tons of rock bands that always tried and always tries copying Bon Jovi (that's normal you know, there are tons of power metal bands that were trying to copy Stratovarius and Helloween for example), that's ok in the same genre. I'm saying all this as an example.

The problem is when you are not able to do it and as a result you are selling old and well-known music as if it was "new, evolution" and all that lies. Plus changing the genre.

As I said this is not an evolution in Edguy's music, it's a change in Edguy's music or an evolution in Sammet musical life by changing Edguy's style. I know how this is gonna end if they follow the same in future albums (Sammet is gonna release Scarecrow Part II next year I think) I thought that Sammet had enough with Avantasia rockish style in Lost in Space and Carry me over, but now is trying the same in Edguy. If the next Edguy album is gonna follow the same Rocket Ride/Tinnitus style, you'll see what happens.


Time will tell, just wait and remember what I'm saying.


EDIT: do you remember Stratovarius selftitled album? Ok, that was Stratovarius style? No. It is an ok album, yes it's ok, but it's bad compared to the others and is not their style. Are they gonna make music with that album style? No. Why? Just thing about it.
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Post by icecab21 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:46 pm

Of course, the thing is being happy. That's the most important and if you see it, when I talk to you I'm always telling to you "If you have fun, then I'm happy".
I think we both do that, or at least mean that at heart. :)

jovi has reinvented itself a lot too. I'm not sure I would call them trend setters. One thing they have that is their signature stuff like in you give love a bad name and it's my life.

Every band gets their inspiration from somewhere; I don't think much is new as far as notes. Where the differences come up is the instrument settings and vocals as well as the lyrics.

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Post by Carcass » Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:10 pm

Why somebody would like his favourite band to make the same album over and over again is beyond me. AC/DC is the ultimate example.

You don't eat Heinz baked beans everyday either. So why would you like your band to stick to the same old style throughout their career? The biggest compliment I can give a musician is to say that he has created something fresh. Not necessarily the most innovative stuff out there, but at least something new within the framework of his career.

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Post by Ragehead91 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:50 pm

The Soundtrack to your Fail
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A little Quit: Who is the Fake?
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One night Sammet realized...
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Okay, I think that is enough Edguy Bashing for today.[/img]

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Post by NeverendingAbyss » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:31 pm

holy crap
where did you get those?
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch?!

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Post by Ragehead91 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:40 pm

NeverendingAbyss wrote:holy crap
where did you get those?
I actually made those myselfe after listening to the fail that Tinnitus Sanctus is.

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Post by icecab21 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:11 pm

Nothing like unqualified criticism with a lack of compare contrast skills: lol:

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Post by Ragehead91 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:17 pm

icecab21 wrote:Nothing like unqualified criticism with a lack of compare contrast skills: lol:
What? Tinnitus Sanctus is a fail. After all the hype around this Album I really thought it would be strong but exept Pride of Creation and Ministry of Saints most of the Songs are simple booring. And I have to say that RazielSR is completly right. It is really obvious by whom Tobi was inspired/whom he tried to copy but failed. I really wonder why Tobi keeps doing this. Seriously, if it's not broken, why fix it? He is genious when it comes to write good Power Metal stuff. Why can't he just do the thing he is really good at and not a thing he constantly fails at?

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Post by Grambambuli » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:40 am

Me thinks Tinnitus Sanctus is great. I grew out of the always-the-same- power-metal-double-bass beat and so is Edguy.

And how someone could get politically offenden by the "Aren't you a little pervert too?" is beyond me. Sex isn't politics, and politics isn't sexy. Nuff said.

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Post by RazielSR » Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:10 pm

Ragehead :)
He is genious when it comes to write good Power Metal stuff. Why can't he just do the thing he is really good at and not a thing he constantly fails at?
Yes, that's the point.Some people thinks we are bad fans if we say that, but it's exactly the opposite.
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Post by icecab21 » Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:21 pm

Maybe people don't enjoy it when you call music they enjoy "a failure".

"if you don't like it, dont listen"


The thing artists say to give themself the kiss of death for some people.

the sound of bon jovi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g50vzZzAja0

the sound of new edguy cd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAkWRB_855g

I would call those very different in so many ways.

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Post by black death » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:16 pm

RazielSR wrote:Ragehead :)
He is genious when it comes to write good Power Metal stuff. Why can't he just do the thing he is really good at and not a thing he constantly fails at?
Yes, that's the point.Some people thinks we are bad fans if we say that, but it's exactly the opposite.
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Post by RazielSR » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:46 pm

black death wrote:
RazielSR wrote:Ragehead :)
He is genious when it comes to write good Power Metal stuff. Why can't he just do the thing he is really good at and not a thing he constantly fails at?
Yes, that's the point.Some people thinks we are bad fans if we say that, but it's exactly the opposite.
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Post by Ragehead91 » Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:56 pm

black death wrote:
RazielSR wrote:Ragehead :)
He is genious when it comes to write good Power Metal stuff. Why can't he just do the thing he is really good at and not a thing he constantly fails at?
Yes, that's the point.Some people thinks we are bad fans if we say that, but it's exactly the opposite.
:roll:
What? It is the truth. He is a awesome songwriter when it comes to Power Metal and he proved that with the old Edguy stuff and the first 2 Avantasia Album but he really just fails at doing this Rock'n'Roll Rockstar stuff. And I don't know why he doesn't realizes that. But sadly I don't see a change of mind coming soon sadly. I'm really worried about the next Avantasia Album.

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Post by Lurdi » Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:34 pm

Little by little Avantasia and Edguy...2 become 1

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Post by RazielSR » Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:46 pm

Bonjovasia.
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Post by icecab21 » Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:25 pm

If edguy wanted to be bon jovi they would have composed their songs like bon jovi. To be a copy of a band one must use the same instrument setups and that includes a vocalist that sings like the original. When edguy starts to use a talk box, they will be one step closer to hostile takeover. I doubt bon jovi will ever use the lyrics to a song like aren’t you a little pervert too or any other song on that album for that matter.

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Post by Lurdi » Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:29 pm

icecab21 wrote:If edguy wanted to be bon jovi they would have composed their songs like bon jovi. To be a copy of a band one must use the same instrument setups and that includes a vocalist that sings like the original. When edguy starts to use a talk box, they will be one step closer to hostile takeover. I doubt bon jovi will ever use the lyrics to a song like aren’t you a little pervert too or any other song on that album for that matter.
You should check out a bit more the bonjovi's lyrics.
Icecab, it's a process. You'll see it. They have not changed overnight. It would have been even more shocking.

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Post by icecab21 » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:10 pm

Well I have never heard bon jovi jump on stage and say his band mate fucks him in the ass to stay in the band for a laugh.

There are a few songs on this album that are in line with songs from the rock scene of the past 30 years. Bon jovi did not start any of it and there are hundreds of other bands that did and do similar music.

You tried to push up a notch
But all I made was itchy crotch
Fornication, ass galore

perhaps that is the typical bon jovi lyrics, i'll have to listen one more time.

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Post by fernandotcl » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:17 pm

Guys, don't you know already that you can't possibly argue with icecab? :lol:

Seriously, though. I don't give a damn to what it sounds like, I'm just stating I don't like it because it's not the Edguy sound I grew to love, and this seems to be the norm around here as well.

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fernandotcl wrote:Guys, don't you know already that you can't possibly argue with icecab? :lol:quote]
Thank you for the reminder.

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Post by Lurdi » Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:43 am

icecab21 wrote:Well I have never heard bon jovi jump on stage and say his band mate fucks him in the ass to stay in the band for a laugh.

There are a few songs on this album that are in line with songs from the rock scene of the past 30 years. Bon jovi did not start any of it and there are hundreds of other bands that did and do similar music.

You tried to push up a notch
But all I made was itchy crotch
Fornication, ass galore

perhaps that is the typical bon jovi lyrics, i'll have to listen one more time.
It doesn't mean he doesn't talk about naughty things in his lyrics, it's just that he doesn't need to use rude words, he says and refers to the same things in a different way.

I just love this Bon Jovi song. Dirty little secret.

I light a candle
In the garden of love
To blind the angels
Looking down from above
I want, I need
The fruit of your VINE
It tastes so bitter sweet
Cause I know it's not mine
I want to come inside

Hit the lights
And I'll come crawling through your window tonight
Come on and send the sign
I'll be your dirty little secret and you'll be mine
You got me knock knock knocking at your door
And I'll be coming back for more
We made a promise and we'll keep it
Our dirty little secret

We act like strangers
When you're holding his hand
Cause there's a danger
That we both understand
We run like thieves
Through the temple of sin
Till we fall on our knees then you go back to him
I want to feel alive

Well, Icecab, maybe he is not saying I wanna fuck you or whatever literally, but if he wants to, he can refer to all these things in a smarter way.
It's not that Sammet is in front of the crowd and shouts loud: '' Hey mother fuckers! I wanna fuck you all in the ass!''
I think this comparison is beyond the way they interact with people. And believe, Edguy is one of my favourite bands, and I find Sammet extremely funny, but I cannot deny I feel disappointed with their last album, and they are little by little trying to be Bon Jovi clons. How many impossible solos did you find in Tinnitus? How many long solos did you find too? It's not a complex album at all. They are basically repeating over and over again the choruses.

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Post by fernandotcl » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:37 am

More Avantasia:

http://www.tobiassammet.com/eng/News.htm
I remember meeting Chris Tsangarides at one of our shows last year and he came to me and told me how much he liked the show, the songs and the way we played our asses off and that he hadn't had seen a show like that in quite a while. Tsangarides produced albums like Judas Priest's Painkiller and he is an icon, so of course I felt very honored. But Sascha is even more of an icon to me. I am sure he can and will become one of the biggest producers in Europe. behind the scenes we have slowly started working on the forthcoming Avantasia record and I will do everything to have the biggest production, I've ever had. I am negotiating with an orchestra right at the moment and I just wanna have a bombastic, monumental movie for the ears. And for such an undertaking there is no one who is better than Sascha, he is like a brother to me.
Oh well I already know what to expect from the upcoming album.

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Post by icecab21 » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:26 am

Same thing in a different way is not how a band copies another band or tries to be like another band. Bon jovi has so many songs from so many types of music that it's hard for me to see something as a copy of something so diverse. With all the other rock bands out there that did the stuff bon jovi does before bon jovi did it, I don't think anything can be contributed to just one band. This is a verity of influences to any music. Even the classical composers that invented new scales had something to base their new invention off of. With all the classical and acoustic and ethnic music that I have listened to, it's hard to call any power metal original or groundbreaking either. With similar styles there will be similarities, but I think it goes too far to call something a copy when so many differences are also evident.


Question: Most fans seem to love the album as far as we can tell - so are you worried about single fans complaining at all anymore, especially when their critiscism becomes a little rude?

Tobias: "No! I'd like to quote Kinsky: They love me or they can kiss my ass, I am fine with any of it, haha."

Question: But in the past you vindicated yourself a a couple of times, as there were some negative opinions about "The Scarecrow" of Avantasia, Rocket Ride...

Tobias: "... Hellfire Club, The Metal Opera, Mandrake and so on. There's always a negative opinion about anything. The more danger the more honor. You can't be everybody's darling. I hope, I can encourage a lot of people out there to do their own thing without giving a shit about other people's expectations. Look, some so called experts criticised the production of our latest Avantasia album. On the other hand, our producer Sascha has just received an award by the German sound engineer association for the best album production of the year; for the production, arrangement and atmosphere of the "The Scarecrow". He later held a workshop in front of numerous professional producers where he went into details of the "Tinnitus Sanctus" production. Now tell me: Why should I give a fuck about some smartass, just because his taste doesn't match with what I do?


not a bon jovi thing to say tobias :)

http://rockhole.bravepages.com/jbj.html

ok i stand corrected jovi does say things like tobias does. but still, it's not like tobias gets his ideas from jovi. that whole modern rock look in the pictures was made popular long before jovi did it.

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Post by RazielSR » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:18 pm

Well, if sammet is saying things like this.

Then I have to say that this Sammet is now more arrogant than ever and a false person.

Now is saying smartass to the people who doesn't like the album...ok, that's really sad. So, when the same people was there buying his albums and going to see Edguy live when they were an unknown band, then...? smartasses too?


Well, maybe it's part of the process of becoming a rockstar, but he is not a rockstar yet and he will never be a rockstar. It is and always will be a wannabe.

That was really weird.
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Post by Lurdi » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:22 pm

icecab21 wrote:Why should I give a fuck about some smartass, just because his taste doesn't match with what I do?
Why should I give a fuck about a fucking rock album from Edguy I don't like at all? Well, that's exactly what I do.
Is my opinion a universal truth? Of course not! It's just a fucking opinion, but I accept there are people who love the album. Sorry Sammet, in this industry you might not hear everything you want to or expect to.
Seriously, Tobias Sammet should accept other opinions that differ from his and acknowledge that there are people who will like the album and people who won't. Loving or hating an album doesn't make me or make you a good or bad person.

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Post by black death » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:34 pm

fernandotcl wrote:Guys, don't you know already that you can't possibly argue with icecab? :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Icecab, I really admire your persistence in speaking to those who don't want to listen!

RazielSR wrote:I'm not gonna say anything to anybody, and I'm not gonna insult.
No?? What about...?
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Post by black death » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:41 pm

RazielSR wrote:Now is saying smartass to the people who doesn't like the album...ok, that's really sad. So, when the same people was there buying his albums and going to see Edguy live when they were an unknown band, then...? smartasses too?
Read carefully the interview.
interview wrote:Question: But in the past you vindicated yourself a a couple of times, as there were some negative opinions about "The Scarecrow" of Avantasia, Rocket Ride...

Tobias: "... Hellfire Club, The Metal Opera, Mandrake and so on. There's always a negative opinion about anything. The more danger the more honor. You can't be everybody's darling. I hope, I can encourage a lot of people out there to do their own thing without giving a shit about other people's expectations. Look, some so called experts criticised the production of our latest Avantasia album. On the other hand, our producer Sascha has just received an award by the German sound engineer association for the best album production of the year; for the production, arrangement and atmosphere of the "The Scarecrow". He later held a workshop in front of numerous professional producers where he went into details of the "Tinnitus Sanctus" production. Now tell me: Why should I give a fuck about some smartass, just because his taste doesn't match with what I do?
Word "smartass" is adressed to those who criticize the production of the album probably because they don't like the album...not to everybody who doesn't like it.

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