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That Poltava thing was in 1709. The last major military campaign Sweden was involved in was in 1809 when Finland was lost to Russia. I think Swedes and Norwegians fired few shots at eachother when Norway was forced into personal union with Sweden in 181something. That's the last time Swedes got have any fun... I thinkShurik wrote:If I remember correctly, Sweden wasn't part of any major military campain since something like 18th century. I guess getting your asses kicked by Peter The Great was enoughBTW, until today one of the sayings in Russian that are used to describe an extremely heavy defeat is "was beaten like Swedes near Poltava".
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So tell me, why there are no protests of this level of magnitude against what's happening in Sudan (more than 400 thousand dead, millions of refugees)? Or against Zimbabwean president Mugabe, who does things much worse than IDF allegedly does to Palestinians? I am indeed deeply concerned, uneasy and wondering what the hell is wrong with the world ...Bathory Killcraft wrote:So you say the whole world is anti-american and anti-semitic basically here. I would be deeply concerned, uneasy and wondering why the hell this is the case then, if I was you...Shurik wrote:More or less. have you ever seen such a wave of protests inspired by the situation in Sudan, for example?Or does this sympathy simply stem from hatred of USA&Israel? Is that what its REALLY all about?
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Africa is still the Dark Continent. People don't know or care what happens over there. I know one guy who went to Morocco and was surprised that there were no black people around. I'm not sure if that's funny or not.
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Maybe you should wonder what the hell is wrong with the US and Israel first...I suppose it has never occurred to you that you may be doing something off tangent to cause such widespread opposing reaction and condemnation.Shurik wrote: I am indeed deeply concerned, uneasy and wondering what the hell is wrong with the world ...
I have said it many times I will say it again; the holocaust is the blank check the world signed you to do whatever you want ever since.
Speaking of holocaust, the word derives from the Greek 'olocautoma' which is a composite word; 'olos' = total, 'kausis' = burn.
I am sure the Japanese can identify with this word just as well as you.
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Hmmm, worse than murdering 450000 people just because they are from the wrong tribe? No, something is very wrong with this world, if in this case there are no daily mass protests but when Israel defends itself against daily rocket attacks on its cities - suddenly everyone cares about the dead terrorists. If it's not antisemitism, I don't know what antisemitism is.Maybe you should wonder what the hell is wrong with the US and Israel first...I suppose it has never occurred to you that you may be doing something off tangent to cause such widespread opposing reaction and condemnation.
We want one thing only - to live in peace in our country, since the history of a Jewish people clearly shows that Jews are not safe anywhere, even when they try hard to assimilate. If our dear neighbors don't agree with it - the loss is all theirs. If the protesters in Europe, Arab countries, USA etc don't not agree with it - fuck them, I wonder what their governments would do in such case.I have said it many times I will say it again; the holocaust is the blank check the world signed you to do whatever you want ever since.
I have never said otherwise. There were many Holocausts in the history, all of them should be remembered.I am sure the Japanese can identify with this word just as well as you.
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@bathroy- no need to pick and choose your Holocausts/atrocities.
And as for the Japanese 'Holocaust', let us not forget that it was the Japanese are the ones who brought the ultimate punishment to bear upon themselves, which actually began with the conquest of their neighbors in the late 1930's.
Do you not think that President Truman did not agonize over his decision to drop the bomb? Had he not seen the horrific casualty reports from the Solomons, Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Iwo Jima, and from Okinawa? What about the atrocities committed against Allied prisoners of war, in addition to innocent people throughout the South Pacific and Asia?
Do you believe that Japan would have shown any quarter to Americans had they invaded the U.S. mainland? The short answer is no; we could have expected the same or worse treatment that the Japanese administerd to people in Korea, China, Burma, Indochina, and India to name just a few. President Truman was well aware of the War Department's estimate of approximately 1,000,000 additional U.S. casualties to invade the Japanese home islands, which the leadership in Washington were quite simply hoping to avoid.
After the Battle of Midway, it was already quite apparent that the war was lost for Japan, and even more obvious after Leyte- yet the Japanese still refused to surrender. So in essence, Japan had no one to blame but itself. We don't subscribe to the revisionist historical propaganda that Hiroshima or Nagasaki was somehow our 'fault'.
General McArthur was also a very wise military governor who forced Hirohito to publicly admit that he was not a deity, dictated modern Japan's pacifist constitution, and also worked to help rebuild the country's economy and infrastructure rather quickly.
On a final note, the U.S. still maintains military forces in both Germany and Japan to this day, and we have yet to allow either country to go back to war with their neighbors.
And as for the Japanese 'Holocaust', let us not forget that it was the Japanese are the ones who brought the ultimate punishment to bear upon themselves, which actually began with the conquest of their neighbors in the late 1930's.
Do you not think that President Truman did not agonize over his decision to drop the bomb? Had he not seen the horrific casualty reports from the Solomons, Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Iwo Jima, and from Okinawa? What about the atrocities committed against Allied prisoners of war, in addition to innocent people throughout the South Pacific and Asia?
Do you believe that Japan would have shown any quarter to Americans had they invaded the U.S. mainland? The short answer is no; we could have expected the same or worse treatment that the Japanese administerd to people in Korea, China, Burma, Indochina, and India to name just a few. President Truman was well aware of the War Department's estimate of approximately 1,000,000 additional U.S. casualties to invade the Japanese home islands, which the leadership in Washington were quite simply hoping to avoid.
After the Battle of Midway, it was already quite apparent that the war was lost for Japan, and even more obvious after Leyte- yet the Japanese still refused to surrender. So in essence, Japan had no one to blame but itself. We don't subscribe to the revisionist historical propaganda that Hiroshima or Nagasaki was somehow our 'fault'.
General McArthur was also a very wise military governor who forced Hirohito to publicly admit that he was not a deity, dictated modern Japan's pacifist constitution, and also worked to help rebuild the country's economy and infrastructure rather quickly.
On a final note, the U.S. still maintains military forces in both Germany and Japan to this day, and we have yet to allow either country to go back to war with their neighbors.
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@Miditek: Yes, the japanese government brought that upon themselves, but did the citizens deserve to have their skin melted?
We should have strategically bombed the military installations, blockaded the country, and taken our time. Maybe we could have attempted a land invasion and then upon seeing after a small sample size that the 1 million death toll was accurate, then proceeded to drop the bomb as a final resort.
@Bathory: I'm not from Texas but I'm pretty sure any given county in Texas has a higher GDP than {insert european socialist state}. Then again, I'm not european either so I guess that invalidates anything I say!
We should have strategically bombed the military installations, blockaded the country, and taken our time. Maybe we could have attempted a land invasion and then upon seeing after a small sample size that the 1 million death toll was accurate, then proceeded to drop the bomb as a final resort.
@Bathory: I'm not from Texas but I'm pretty sure any given county in Texas has a higher GDP than {insert european socialist state}. Then again, I'm not european either so I guess that invalidates anything I say!
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You've never, ever been to Germany have you? Despite what you may want to believe, it's hardly a nation full of bloodthirsty warmongers.miditek wrote:
On a final note, the U.S. still maintains military forces in both Germany and Japan to this day, and we have yet to allow either country to go back to war with their neighbors.
I think the military prescence in those countries had more to do with the Soviet Union than preventing them from causing another war. The people of both nations suffered tremendously duirng WWII and weren't exactly eager or in the position to get into another one.
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An outstanding article by former U.S. army Major Ralph Peters
The Demons of Gaza
By: Ralph Peters,
Israel hasn't killed a single civilian in the Gaza Strip. Over a hundred civilians have died, and Israeli bombs or shells may have ended their lives. But Israel didn't kill them.
Hamas did.
It's time to smash the lies. The lies of Hamas. The UN lies. And the save-the-terrorists lies of the global media.
There is no moral equivalence between Hamas terrorists and Israeli soldiers. There is no gray area. There is no point in negotiations.
Hamas is a Jew-killing machine. It exists to destroy Israel. What is there to negotiate?
When Hamas can't kill Jews, it's perfectly willing to drive Palestinian civilians into the line of fire - old men, women and children. Hamas herds the innocent into "shelters," then draws Israeli fire on them. And the headline-greedy media cheer them on.
Hamas isn't fighting for political goals. "Brokered agreements" are purely means to an end. And the envisioned end is the complete destruction of Israel in the name of a terrorist god. Safe in hidden bunkers or in Damascus, the Hamas leadership is willing to watch an unlimited number of civilians and even street-level terrorists die.
MORE: 13 THINKERS ON WHAT ISRAEL, THE PALESTINIANS AND THE WORLD SHOULD DO
Lives, too, are nothing but means to an end. And dead kids are the coins that keep the propaganda meter ticking.
All Hamas had to do to prevent Israel's act of self-defense was to leave Israel unmolested by terror rockets. All Hamas needs to do now to stop this conflict and spare the Palestinian people it pretends to champion is to stop trying to kill Israelis and agree to let Israel exist in peace.
Hamas didn't, and Hamas won't.
Now Israel has to continue its attack, to wreak all the havoc it can on Hamas before a new American president starts meddling. If Israel stops now, Hamas can declare victory just for surviving - despite its crippling losses. While it's impossible to fully eliminate extremism, killing every terrorist leader hiding in a Gaza bunker is the only hope of achieving even a temporary, imperfect peace. The chance may not come again.
And don't worry about "creating a power vacuum." Let the Palestinians pick up their own pieces. Even anarchy in Gaza is better for Israel than Hamas.
Israelis, Americans and Westerners overall share a tragic intellectual blind spot: We're caught in yesterday's model of terrorism, that of Arafat's PLO, of the IRA, the Red Brigades or the Weather Underground. But, as brutal as those organizations could be, they never believed they were on a mission from God.
Yesteryear's terrorists wanted to change the world. They were willing to shed blood and, in extreme cases, to give their own blood to their causes. But they didn't seek death. They preferred to live to see their "better world."
Now our civilization faces terrorists who regard death as a promotion. They believe that any action can be excused because they're serving their god. And their core belief is that you and I, as stubborn unbelievers, deserve death.
Their grisly god knows no compromise. To give an inch is to betray their god's trust entirely. Yet we - and even some Israelis - believe it's possible to cut deals with them.
In search of peace, Israel handed Gaza to the Palestinians, a people who had never had a state of their own. As thanks, Israel received terror rockets. And the Palestinian people got a gang war.
Peace is the last thing Hamas terrorists and gangsters want. Peace means the game is up. Peace means they've disappointed their god. Peace means no more excuses. They couldn't bear peace for six months.
This is a war to the bitter end. And we're afraid to admit what it's about.
MORE: WHAT IS NEXT FOR GAZA
It's not about American sins or Israeli intransigence. It's about a sickness in the soul of a civilization - of Middle-Eastern Islam - that can only be cured from within. Until Arabs or Iranians decide to cure themselves, we'll have to fight.
Instead, we want to talk. We convince ourselves, against all evidence, that our enemies really want to talk, too, that they just need "incentives" (the diplomat's term for bribes). The apparent belief of our president-elect that it's possible to negotiate with faith-fueled fanatics is so naive it's terrifying.
Yet, it's understandable. Barack Obama's entire career has been built on words, not deeds, on his power to persuade, not his power to deliver. But all the caucuses, debates, neighborhood meetings and backroom deal-making sessions in his past haven't prepared him to "negotiate" with men whose single-minded goal is Israel's destruction - and ours.
If Obama repeats the same "peace-process" folly as his predecessors, from Jimmy have-you-hugged-your-terrorist-today? Carter through Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, he'll be devoured before he knows he's been bitten.
How many administrations have to repeat the identical error of believing that, deep down inside, terrorists, gunmen and warlords really want peace every bit as much as we do? Israel's enemies aren't just looking to cut a sharp deal. They want to destroy Israel.
Which part of what they shout in our faces is so hard to understand? Israel's foes have been preaching Jew-hatred for so long that even the "moderates" can't turn back now.
And why does the global left hate Israel so? Why would they pull out the stops to rescue Hamas?
Because Israel exposed the lie that a suffering people can't lift itself up through hard work, education and discipline. Israel didn't need the help of a hundred condescending NGOs and their misery junkies.
Because the Holocaust is a permanent embarrassment to Europeans. They need to believe that Israelis are kosher Nazis.
Because, from the safety of cafes and campuses, it's cool to call terrorists "freedom fighters." It makes you feel less guilty when you hit up daddy (or the state) for money. I mean, dude, it's not like you have to, like, live with them or anything, you know?
(The preceding sentence is not a direct quote from Caroline Kennedy.)
Because, above all, the most-destructive racists in the world today are mainstream leftists. Want the truth? The Left codes Israel as white and, therefore, inherently an oppressor. Israel is held to the highest standard of our civilization and our legal codes - and denied the right to self-defense.
But the Left tacitly believes that people with darker skins are inferior and can't be expected to behave at a civilized level. Leftists expect terrorist movements or African dictators to behave horribly. It's the post-modern, latte-sucking version of the "little brown brother" mentality.
The worst enemies of developing societies have been leftists who refuse to hold them to fundamental standards of governance and decency. But, then, the Left needs developing societies to fail to prove that the system's hopelessly stacked against them.
A battered, impoverished, butchered people built a thriving Western democracy in an Eastern wasteland. Israel can never be forgiven for its success.
In this six-decade-old conflict that Israel's intractable neighbors continue to force upon it, there not only are no good solutions, but, thanks to the zero-sum mentality of Islamist terrorists, there aren't even any bad solutions - short of nuclear genocide - that would bring an enduring peace to the Middle East.
And even the elimination of Israel wouldn't be enough. The terrorists would fight among themselves, while warring upon less-devout fellow Muslims.
All Israel can do is to fight for time and buy intervals of relative calm with the blood of its sons and daughters. By demanding premature cease-fires and insisting that we can find a diplomatic solution, we strengthen monsters and undercut our defenders.
And don't believe the propaganda about this conflict rallying Gaza's Palestinians behind Hamas. That's more little-brown-brother condescension, assuming all Arabs are so stupid they don't know who started this and who's dragging it out at their expense.
Gaza's people may not care much for Israelis, but they rue the day they cast their votes for Hamas. Hamas is killing them.
Ralph Peters is a retired U.S. Army officer and the author of "Looking For Trouble."
The Demons of Gaza
By: Ralph Peters,
Israel hasn't killed a single civilian in the Gaza Strip. Over a hundred civilians have died, and Israeli bombs or shells may have ended their lives. But Israel didn't kill them.
Hamas did.
It's time to smash the lies. The lies of Hamas. The UN lies. And the save-the-terrorists lies of the global media.
There is no moral equivalence between Hamas terrorists and Israeli soldiers. There is no gray area. There is no point in negotiations.
Hamas is a Jew-killing machine. It exists to destroy Israel. What is there to negotiate?
When Hamas can't kill Jews, it's perfectly willing to drive Palestinian civilians into the line of fire - old men, women and children. Hamas herds the innocent into "shelters," then draws Israeli fire on them. And the headline-greedy media cheer them on.
Hamas isn't fighting for political goals. "Brokered agreements" are purely means to an end. And the envisioned end is the complete destruction of Israel in the name of a terrorist god. Safe in hidden bunkers or in Damascus, the Hamas leadership is willing to watch an unlimited number of civilians and even street-level terrorists die.
MORE: 13 THINKERS ON WHAT ISRAEL, THE PALESTINIANS AND THE WORLD SHOULD DO
Lives, too, are nothing but means to an end. And dead kids are the coins that keep the propaganda meter ticking.
All Hamas had to do to prevent Israel's act of self-defense was to leave Israel unmolested by terror rockets. All Hamas needs to do now to stop this conflict and spare the Palestinian people it pretends to champion is to stop trying to kill Israelis and agree to let Israel exist in peace.
Hamas didn't, and Hamas won't.
Now Israel has to continue its attack, to wreak all the havoc it can on Hamas before a new American president starts meddling. If Israel stops now, Hamas can declare victory just for surviving - despite its crippling losses. While it's impossible to fully eliminate extremism, killing every terrorist leader hiding in a Gaza bunker is the only hope of achieving even a temporary, imperfect peace. The chance may not come again.
And don't worry about "creating a power vacuum." Let the Palestinians pick up their own pieces. Even anarchy in Gaza is better for Israel than Hamas.
Israelis, Americans and Westerners overall share a tragic intellectual blind spot: We're caught in yesterday's model of terrorism, that of Arafat's PLO, of the IRA, the Red Brigades or the Weather Underground. But, as brutal as those organizations could be, they never believed they were on a mission from God.
Yesteryear's terrorists wanted to change the world. They were willing to shed blood and, in extreme cases, to give their own blood to their causes. But they didn't seek death. They preferred to live to see their "better world."
Now our civilization faces terrorists who regard death as a promotion. They believe that any action can be excused because they're serving their god. And their core belief is that you and I, as stubborn unbelievers, deserve death.
Their grisly god knows no compromise. To give an inch is to betray their god's trust entirely. Yet we - and even some Israelis - believe it's possible to cut deals with them.
In search of peace, Israel handed Gaza to the Palestinians, a people who had never had a state of their own. As thanks, Israel received terror rockets. And the Palestinian people got a gang war.
Peace is the last thing Hamas terrorists and gangsters want. Peace means the game is up. Peace means they've disappointed their god. Peace means no more excuses. They couldn't bear peace for six months.
This is a war to the bitter end. And we're afraid to admit what it's about.
MORE: WHAT IS NEXT FOR GAZA
It's not about American sins or Israeli intransigence. It's about a sickness in the soul of a civilization - of Middle-Eastern Islam - that can only be cured from within. Until Arabs or Iranians decide to cure themselves, we'll have to fight.
Instead, we want to talk. We convince ourselves, against all evidence, that our enemies really want to talk, too, that they just need "incentives" (the diplomat's term for bribes). The apparent belief of our president-elect that it's possible to negotiate with faith-fueled fanatics is so naive it's terrifying.
Yet, it's understandable. Barack Obama's entire career has been built on words, not deeds, on his power to persuade, not his power to deliver. But all the caucuses, debates, neighborhood meetings and backroom deal-making sessions in his past haven't prepared him to "negotiate" with men whose single-minded goal is Israel's destruction - and ours.
If Obama repeats the same "peace-process" folly as his predecessors, from Jimmy have-you-hugged-your-terrorist-today? Carter through Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, he'll be devoured before he knows he's been bitten.
How many administrations have to repeat the identical error of believing that, deep down inside, terrorists, gunmen and warlords really want peace every bit as much as we do? Israel's enemies aren't just looking to cut a sharp deal. They want to destroy Israel.
Which part of what they shout in our faces is so hard to understand? Israel's foes have been preaching Jew-hatred for so long that even the "moderates" can't turn back now.
And why does the global left hate Israel so? Why would they pull out the stops to rescue Hamas?
Because Israel exposed the lie that a suffering people can't lift itself up through hard work, education and discipline. Israel didn't need the help of a hundred condescending NGOs and their misery junkies.
Because the Holocaust is a permanent embarrassment to Europeans. They need to believe that Israelis are kosher Nazis.
Because, from the safety of cafes and campuses, it's cool to call terrorists "freedom fighters." It makes you feel less guilty when you hit up daddy (or the state) for money. I mean, dude, it's not like you have to, like, live with them or anything, you know?
(The preceding sentence is not a direct quote from Caroline Kennedy.)
Because, above all, the most-destructive racists in the world today are mainstream leftists. Want the truth? The Left codes Israel as white and, therefore, inherently an oppressor. Israel is held to the highest standard of our civilization and our legal codes - and denied the right to self-defense.
But the Left tacitly believes that people with darker skins are inferior and can't be expected to behave at a civilized level. Leftists expect terrorist movements or African dictators to behave horribly. It's the post-modern, latte-sucking version of the "little brown brother" mentality.
The worst enemies of developing societies have been leftists who refuse to hold them to fundamental standards of governance and decency. But, then, the Left needs developing societies to fail to prove that the system's hopelessly stacked against them.
A battered, impoverished, butchered people built a thriving Western democracy in an Eastern wasteland. Israel can never be forgiven for its success.
In this six-decade-old conflict that Israel's intractable neighbors continue to force upon it, there not only are no good solutions, but, thanks to the zero-sum mentality of Islamist terrorists, there aren't even any bad solutions - short of nuclear genocide - that would bring an enduring peace to the Middle East.
And even the elimination of Israel wouldn't be enough. The terrorists would fight among themselves, while warring upon less-devout fellow Muslims.
All Israel can do is to fight for time and buy intervals of relative calm with the blood of its sons and daughters. By demanding premature cease-fires and insisting that we can find a diplomatic solution, we strengthen monsters and undercut our defenders.
And don't believe the propaganda about this conflict rallying Gaza's Palestinians behind Hamas. That's more little-brown-brother condescension, assuming all Arabs are so stupid they don't know who started this and who's dragging it out at their expense.
Gaza's people may not care much for Israelis, but they rue the day they cast their votes for Hamas. Hamas is killing them.
Ralph Peters is a retired U.S. Army officer and the author of "Looking For Trouble."
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If by 'outstanding' you mean completely one sided and dangerously deluded... then yes.
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There's nothing deluded in this text, at least from my point of view. All that he says is sad but true ... And it's not that one-sided either - it is true that Palestinian civilians suffer because Hamas leaders, both in Gaza and Syria, want to fight Israel, no matter what the civilian casualties are. It sounds twisted and illogical, but this is the case with Islamic extremists.
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What a great, very true post, miditek! NOTHING deluded about it. The article is straight-forward&honest, so honest it is painful.
There is a saying: the truth hurts.
And that article hit the nail on the head. These people who are ramming their nose up Hamas ass I don't think realize what they are doing. They are the deluded ones&will pay a horrible price for their blindness.
There is a saying: the truth hurts.
And that article hit the nail on the head. These people who are ramming their nose up Hamas ass I don't think realize what they are doing. They are the deluded ones&will pay a horrible price for their blindness.
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What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch?!
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There are 1.4 million Palestinians. Right? Well, why don't the people and countries that are defending them so strongly(UK, Venuzuela, Brazil, France, Canada, etc. etc.) take the Palestinians into their country and give them sanctuary? Protect them if they love them so much. Put their money where their mouths and protests are. Faith without works is dead.
Maybe Madonna, Rosie, Tom, Angelina, etc., can adopt some of these needy homeless kids from Gaza. God knows the children do need that kind of love and care after living around Hamas terrorists and being subjected to war.
Instead of protesting&throwing hissy fits, people need to put their faith into action.
Maybe Madonna, Rosie, Tom, Angelina, etc., can adopt some of these needy homeless kids from Gaza. God knows the children do need that kind of love and care after living around Hamas terrorists and being subjected to war.
Instead of protesting&throwing hissy fits, people need to put their faith into action.
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Please feel free to elaborate on any specific points that Major Peters' statements were one sided or deluded.NeonVomit wrote:If by 'outstanding' you mean completely one sided and dangerously deluded... then yes.
If I am understanding you correctly, you still don't seem to understand Hamas' corporate mission statement from their charter; no negotiations, and the complete annihilation of Israel. If they were truly concerned about their own people, then they would quite simply stop firing the rockets and mortars at Israel.
What part of that do you fail to grasp? Israel has shown far more restraint than most Arab governments would have shown their own people.
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If you expect people to subscribe to the kind of nonsense that is projected via this article you are surely deluding yourself. This kind of thinking is indeed dangerous and out of touch with reality, no wonder it comes from an ex-officer. I can dissect it line by line but it is so obviously biased that by doing that I will only be doing it service.
As for the refugees question browneyedgirl poses may I remind you that it was the European countries that took the bulk of Bosnian and Kosovar refugees during the NATO bombings of 1995 and 1999 in former Yugoslavia? Countries like Sweden or Norway for example with no direct involvement in the bombings at least in military sense. Even Canada and Australia took refugees. In fact during my studying years I knew a couple of palestinian students who were coming from Canada. Germany too, received a great number of refugees and so on. All NATO member states(except Australia), but we all know who is pulling the strings in NATO and who orchestrated this so called plan now don't we?
The US generally seems to have an allergy in taking refugees in home soil.
Guandanamo is a good example. It is not even on US mainland soil yet after his vow to close it Obama asked Europe to take up prisoners in their own prison systems. It was even said that without Europe's assistance the Guandanamo problem cannot be solved.
Last time I checked, Madonna, Pitt, Jollie, etc were full US citizens now, no?
As for the refugees question browneyedgirl poses may I remind you that it was the European countries that took the bulk of Bosnian and Kosovar refugees during the NATO bombings of 1995 and 1999 in former Yugoslavia? Countries like Sweden or Norway for example with no direct involvement in the bombings at least in military sense. Even Canada and Australia took refugees. In fact during my studying years I knew a couple of palestinian students who were coming from Canada. Germany too, received a great number of refugees and so on. All NATO member states(except Australia), but we all know who is pulling the strings in NATO and who orchestrated this so called plan now don't we?
The US generally seems to have an allergy in taking refugees in home soil.
Guandanamo is a good example. It is not even on US mainland soil yet after his vow to close it Obama asked Europe to take up prisoners in their own prison systems. It was even said that without Europe's assistance the Guandanamo problem cannot be solved.
Last time I checked, Madonna, Pitt, Jollie, etc were full US citizens now, no?
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Full citizens...half witsLast time I checked, Madonna, Pitt, Jollie, etc were full US citizens now, no?

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..........and, lots of money!AAAAAAAAAA wrote:Full citizens...half witsLast time I checked, Madonna, Pitt, Jollie, etc were full US citizens now, no?

Re: At last..IDF finally responds
Bathory Killcraft pretty much nailed it in his description of the article. Incredily biased and out of touch with reality.miditek wrote:Please feel free to elaborate on any specific points that Major Peters' statements were one sided or deluded.NeonVomit wrote:If by 'outstanding' you mean completely one sided and dangerously deluded... then yes.
If I am understanding you correctly, you still don't seem to understand Hamas' corporate mission statement from their charter; no negotiations, and the complete annihilation of Israel. If they were truly concerned about their own people, then they would quite simply stop firing the rockets and mortars at Israel.
What part of that do you fail to grasp? Israel has shown far more restraint than most Arab governments would have shown their own people.
"We will forgive you for killing our children, but we will never forgive you for forcing us to kill yours." - Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir
Hamas did not kill the Palestinian civilians. No matter how hard anyone tries to disguise the issue, it is Israeli bombs and bullets killing them. Yes, Hamas is firing rockets into Israel, should they be stopped? Of course. In this manner? No.
Look at the casualty figures on both sides. Something is definately out of proportion here.
What to do? Simple, go after Hamas' military and political leaders. We'll see how quickly they'll order a stop to the attacks if they suddenly realised that they personally would be targetted.
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Um, because the Palestinians were there before Israel was formed?browneyedgirl wrote:There are 1.4 million Palestinians. Right? Well, why don't the people and countries that are defending them so strongly(UK, Venuzuela, Brazil, France, Canada, etc. etc.) take the Palestinians into their country and give them sanctuary? Protect them if they love them so much. Put their money where their mouths and protests are. Faith without works is dead.
Maybe Madonna, Rosie, Tom, Angelina, etc., can adopt some of these needy homeless kids from Gaza. God knows the children do need that kind of love and care after living around Hamas terrorists and being subjected to war.
Instead of protesting&throwing hissy fits, people need to put their faith into action.
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It's simple to say. And if Hamas terrorist surrounds himself with civilians (and that happens a lot) or fires from the vicinity of schools, hospitals or civilian houses - Israel should not touch him and alow him to continue or should sacrifice lots of soldiers to get to him and kill him?What to do? Simple, go after Hamas' military and political leaders. We'll see how quickly they'll order a stop to the attacks if they suddenly realised that they personally would be targetted.
And as I know IDF (which I was and still is a part of), everything is done in order to minimize the civilian casualties. Sometimes it reaches absurd levels, where soldiers die just because someone in high command thought that using artillery/air strikes will cause a heavy civilian casualties (that happened a lot in Lebanon in 2006, thankfully this tactic seems to be abandoned). What most of you fail to understand is that it's a real war where ugly stuff happens, especially when one of the sides has absolutely no regard for a human life, neither of its militants nor of its civilians.
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Who was before whom does not really matter, there's enough land for everyone. What matters is the will of both sides to just coexist in peace. I think that Israel showed more than once that it's ready to live in peace with the other side, but the other side sees every peace agreement as another step to annihilation of Israel. Arafat didn't even try to hide it (in speeches to his people of course, he said a completely different things to the western media). Hamas' charter says plain and simple that its ultimate goal is the destruction of Israel, by military means.NeonVomit wrote:Um, because the Palestinians were there before Israel was formed?browneyedgirl wrote:There are 1.4 million Palestinians. Right? Well, why don't the people and countries that are defending them so strongly(UK, Venuzuela, Brazil, France, Canada, etc. etc.) take the Palestinians into their country and give them sanctuary? Protect them if they love them so much. Put their money where their mouths and protests are. Faith without works is dead.
Maybe Madonna, Rosie, Tom, Angelina, etc., can adopt some of these needy homeless kids from Gaza. God knows the children do need that kind of love and care after living around Hamas terrorists and being subjected to war.
Instead of protesting&throwing hissy fits, people need to put their faith into action.
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Re: At last..IDF finally responds
Now the UN complex in Gaza is hit...
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There were probably Hamas hiding in it.Bathory Killcraft wrote:Now the UN complex in Gaza is hit...
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Outstanding- scratch one pillbox that Hamas was hiding in- and their UN forward fire observers to boot!Bathory Killcraft wrote:Now the UN complex in Gaza is hit...
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Of course the UN hates Israel, even though it was a UN resolution which resulted in its creation... anyhow.
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Are you sure about that? Maybe Israel the country, but the peoples themselves(Jews)were there centuries before Islam was even made up or Muslims took residence there.NeonVomit wrote:Um, because the Palestinians were there before Israel was formed?browneyedgirl wrote:There are 1.4 million Palestinians. Right? Well, why don't the people and countries that are defending them so strongly(UK, Venuzuela, Brazil, France, Canada, etc. etc.) take the Palestinians into their country and give them sanctuary? Protect them if they love them so much. Put their money where their mouths and protests are. Faith without works is dead.
Maybe Madonna, Rosie, Tom, Angelina, etc., can adopt some of these needy homeless kids from Gaza. God knows the children do need that kind of love and care after living around Hamas terrorists and being subjected to war.
Instead of protesting&throwing hissy fits, people need to put their faith into action.
Jews lived there until the Romans ran them all out under the penalty of death in 135 AD.Afterward, the Jews were persecuted and expelled from every country they tried to reside in. Islam took Judah about 638AD and ruled the area except during a short period during the Crusades.
Toward 1917 Jews started returning to their homeland. This was after the defeat of the last Ottoman Turks. more and more Jews returned to Jerusalem, and their lives began to flourish, and thrive. This really pissed the arabs off who lived there and in surrounding countries. Clashes began to develop
between the arabs and Jews, so the 1947-UN resolution was created dividing the land up betwen arabs and the Jews. This solution pissed the arabs off even more, and immediately the Jews were attacked by every surrounding country.
The point is, Jews simply wanted to return to their point of origin and were attacked for it.
I could touch upon the Kings of the North&Kings of the South and how that fits it, but miditek is the Bible history scholar here, so I will let him explain the relavance of Biblical history and its prophecy if he chooses.

One prophecy that I will point out is the prophecy of Zechariah who states that in the latter days the whole world will be drunk with the hatred toward Jews and Israel. And, that these countries would do everything to destroy Israel(Judah).
Sound familiar?