MUSLIM Man Beheads Wife for Wanting a Divorce!

[browneyedgirl]

women and islam | PBS

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... women.html

A very good, unbiased webpage discussing women in the Muslim world. It gives several different viewpoints from people who have lived knowing Muslims, and know the realities of such relationships.

I'm sure there are good Muslim men in the world who think of women as equals, who allow their wives to make her own decisions, who trust their wife enough to "let"(I hate that word)her wear what she wants, and allows her to work outside the home&control her own earned money. I'm certain Muslim men exist who do not expect their wife to please him in everything, and I'm sure not all Muslim men beat the shit out of their wife on a routine basis. I mean, realisticly, not ALL Muslim men can be assholes!
And before the Christian-haters reply, that paragraph can apply to men of all religions, even atheists.

[Stratowarius]

Hawking radiation can be aplicable on a lot of things in our sordid world. Sorry to say.

WTF are you going on about?

Im sure you know what I mean and that you can figure out that our whole life is like a big black (sometimes more gray) hole and that it goes by with the speed of light. Before you know it you are an old man (if you go on living) and then you disappear in a big black hole you know nothing about. Isn't that some sort of radiation? Hawkins or anyones it doesnt matter.

[hiro23]

That wasn't what my point was, I was simply saying that I respect it whether someone believes in god or they don't.

[Stealth]

Hawking radiation can be aplicable on a lot of things in our sordid world. Sorry to say.

WTF are you going on about?

Ha! Awesome! Carcass, I was wondering the same thing.

Man, I don't know what people are talking about any more in the two posts above this one.

[Carcass]

Hawking radiation can be aplicable on a lot of things in our sordid world. Sorry to say.

WTF are you going on about?

Ha! Awesome! Carcass, I was wondering the same thing.

Man, I don't know what people are talking about any more in the two posts above this one.

Told you I'm awesome. Believe me now?

[icecab21]

A major question is in how to turn cultures and individuals onto seeing equilateral society as a worthy goal to achieve and the best type of society. Economics, education, and erections are three e's to a bonobo world where we are all one tribe(since it appears they rip members of other tribes to pieces, at least in certain conditions)

[miditek]

Christian men don't stone their wives- if you'll recall the story of Christ saying to the mob that was about to kill a prostitute, "let him who be without sin cast the first stone."

'Honor' killings on the other hand, happen in every country that the jihadists infiltrate. And it's not just wives that get killed but sisters and daughters as well.

Nihilistic blood cults may be popular in some countries, but over here in the US, honor killings are prosecuted.

Everywhere in the West, honor killings are prosecuted. It's one of those semi-myths in the US that all (or parts) of Europe is adopting Sharia law or something. I have some news -- it will never happen. Europe has hard-core conservatives with immense power. Imagine a few Rush Limbaugh:s who you never even see, with quiet and immense political and financial power comparable to some evil James Bond villains... dug into a trench a thousand years deep. There will never be Sharia on their front lawn.

While I'm certain that there are some conservatives in Europe, such as the BNP (British National Party) for example, isn't it safe to assume that they are sort of few and far between, and that their political power is rather limited?

No matter what Christ said, Christians as a group thru the ages have done things which we now would consider pretty barbaric.

Well, what Christ said is important, and people that do not follow His commands do not belong to Him. There is no question that the Church has had some rather sordid moments in history, but that is a reflection of the depravity of mankind in general. It goes back even further than the Church itself, as the Sanhedrin (Jewish Supreme Court), Pharisees, Sadducee groups, were most likely the original religious fanatics. Saul (before his conversion to being Paul) was most likely one of the worst- probably the worst, as he was the most religious, and yet was a murderer of the most brutal types- inciting crowds to kill under the cloak of own twisted view of religion.

However, the Holocausts and pogroms of secular regimes have made any crimes the Church has committed seem pale in comparison.

I still maintain that one main difference between the two religions is that "Christianity" (for lack of a better word) has had to coexist with the values and attitudes of Western post-enlightenment. Christianity adapted in a way, and it wasn't always an easy process. Islam will adapt also, and will have to do it even faster -- the alternative is to perish. It won't be easy.

That is one way to look at it, but another way to view the situation is that Judaism and Christianity formed the very basis of Western Civilization as we know it. The laws, the social norms, customs, even the arts and culture. After all, what we call classical music today originated in the church itself. The Church's influence is not quite what it once was- that is true, but I strongly believe that it is the basis of truth, democracy, as well as true belief in and fear of God were the elements that allowed the West to advance and to prosper, while the Islamic world, in many ways, is still stuck in the same seventh century in which Muhammed appeared.

[NeonVomit]

Christian men don't stone their wives- if you'll recall the story of Christ saying to the mob that was about to kill a prostitute, "let him who be without sin cast the first stone."

'Honor' killings on the other hand, happen in every country that the jihadists infiltrate. And it's not just wives that get killed but sisters and daughters as well.

Nihilistic blood cults may be popular in some countries, but over here in the US, honor killings are prosecuted.

Everywhere in the West, honor killings are prosecuted. It's one of those semi-myths in the US that all (or parts) of Europe is adopting Sharia law or something. I have some news -- it will never happen. Europe has hard-core conservatives with immense power. Imagine a few Rush Limbaugh:s who you never even see, with quiet and immense political and financial power comparable to some evil James Bond villains... dug into a trench a thousand years deep. There will never be Sharia on their front lawn.

While I'm certain that there are some conservatives in Europe, such as the BNP (British National Party) for example, isn't it safe to assume that they are sort of few and far between, and that their political power is rather limited?

No matter what Christ said, Christians as a group thru the ages have done things which we now would consider pretty barbaric.

Well, what Christ said is important, and people that do not follow His commands do not belong to Him. There is no question that the Church has had some rather sordid moments in history, but that is a reflection of the depravity of mankind in general. It goes back even further than the Church itself, as the Sanhedrin (Jewish Supreme Court), Pharisees, Sadducee groups, were most likely the original religious fanatics. Saul (before his conversion to being Paul) was most likely one of the worst- probably the worst, as he was the most religious, and yet was a murderer of the most brutal types- inciting crowds to kill under the cloak of own twisted view of religion.

However, the Holocausts and pogroms of secular regimes have made any crimes the Church has committed seem pale in comparison.

I still maintain that one main difference between the two religions is that "Christianity" (for lack of a better word) has had to coexist with the values and attitudes of Western post-enlightenment. Christianity adapted in a way, and it wasn't always an easy process. Islam will adapt also, and will have to do it even faster -- the alternative is to perish. It won't be easy.

That is one way to look at it, but another way to view the situation is that Judaism and Christianity formed the very basis of Western Civilization as we know it. The laws, the social norms, customs, even the arts and culture. After all, what we call classical music today originated in the church itself. The Church's influence is not quite what it once was- that is true, but I strongly believe that it is the basis of truth, democracy, as well as true belief in and fear of God were the elements that allowed the West to advance and to prosper, while the Islamic world, in many ways, is still stuck in the same seventh century in which Muhammed appeared.

[Carcass]

However, the Holocausts and pogroms of secular regimes have made any crimes the Church has committed seem pale in comparison.

If for example the Crusaders (or Genghis Khan etc.) would've had access to modern weapons and communications, I'm not so sure that the result would've been much prettier.

[miditek]

However, the Holocausts and pogroms of secular regimes have made any crimes the Church has committed seem pale in comparison.

If for example the Crusaders (or Genghis Khan etc.) would've had access to modern weapons and communications, I'm not so sure that the result would've been much prettier.

Like the, for lack of a better term, ("You are about to embark upon a great crusade"- Eisenhower) crusade that was launched at Normandy? Anzio? Leyte? 38th parallel? Baghdad?

The secular regimes had the modern weapons, and did everything they could to stamp God out of people's minds. However, the Church both predated, as well as survived places such as, Russia, for instance.

@NV- where is your eloquent retort? Didn't realize you were a Seinfeld fan, since it's such an ummm, American thing. Lots of Yiddish idioms in the script as well.

[Carcass]

However, the Holocausts and pogroms of secular regimes have made any crimes the Church has committed seem pale in comparison.

If for example the Crusaders (or Genghis Khan etc.) would've had access to modern weapons and communications, I'm not so sure that the result would've been much prettier.

Like the, for lack of a better term, ("You are about to embark upon a great crusade"- Eisenhower) crusade that was launched at Normandy? Anzio? Leyte? 38th parallel? Baghdad?

You very well know that's not what I meant.

[NeonVomit]

@NV- where is your eloquent retort? Didn't realize you were a Seinfeld fan, since it's such an ummm, American thing. Lots of Yiddish idioms in the script as well.

A comment which is further proof, if any were needed, that your understanding of me is almost as two dimensional and shallow as your understanding of the world outside the borders of the US.

[Carcass]

That is one way to look at it, but another way to view the situation is that Judaism and Christianity formed the very basis of Western Civilization as we know it. The laws, the social norms, customs, even the arts and culture.

If the Bible would be the source of all Western norms, this place would be a mess. Loads of crazy things in the book that people don't do anymore, luckily.

[browneyedgirl]

That is one way to look at it, but another way to view the situation is that Judaism and Christianity formed the very basis of Western Civilization as we know it. The laws, the social norms, customs, even the arts and culture.

If the Bible would be the source of all Western norms, this place would be a mess. Loads of crazy things in the book that people don't do anymore, luckily.

Men still lay with women, luckily.

And, Christianity&Judaism did exist centuries and thousands of years, respectively, before your precious Islam was even dreamed up.

[miditek]

@NV- where is your eloquent retort? Didn't realize you were a Seinfeld fan, since it's such an ummm, American thing. Lots of Yiddish idioms in the script as well.

A comment which is further proof, if any were needed, that your understanding of me is almost as two dimensional and shallow as your understanding of the world outside the borders of the US.

Not really- it's obvious that you've been thoroughly indoctrinated during your stay at KMU- Karl Marx University. A failed system that continues to fail.

If you're as sophisticated and educated as you claim, then why not retort my own post- point by point? Your standard canned responses of "Criticizing Islam is like shooting fish in a barrel", or "No comments are needed" sound as if you are simply parroting your professors.

People that taught you to think like them, and not form your own opinions. It leads me to believe that you really don't understand anything about the history of the West whatsoever, but merely have a grasp of today's fads and trends.

Christianity has been in Russia for over one thousand years, and in Italy even longer than that. Biblical and Mosaic law certainly formed a foundation of English common law, which in turn is still often cited in Western courts, even in the US.

That's thing one thing, among many, that KMU has utterly failed at doing- educating its alumni to actually be able to successfully rebut any point from the right. The left cannot argue, just ask any recent graduate if they have ever read a single book on, let's say, an opposing view onf global warming- never mind the program from BBC4.

I've studied Islam for several years now- from an academic rather than spiritual viewpoint, so I understand what its adherents believe more than the average Joe on the street, and the more that I read about it, the more that I realize it is a twisted, mirrored counterfeit of Judaism and Christianity.

Churchill sounded warning bells about Islam over sixty years ago, but your response to him likely would have been that he was an old, drunk warmonger with little understanding of the world outside the British Isles.

Just because you can name off the names of any dozen or two underground bands that no one else has ever heard of makes you no more or less clever than anyone else.

[NeonVomit]

@NV- where is your eloquent retort? Didn't realize you were a Seinfeld fan, since it's such an ummm, American thing. Lots of Yiddish idioms in the script as well.

A comment which is further proof, if any were needed, that your understanding of me is almost as two dimensional and shallow as your understanding of the world outside the borders of the US.

Not really- it's obvious that you've been thoroughly indoctrinated during your stay at KMU- Karl Marx University. A failed system that continues to fail.

If you're as sophisticated and educated as you claim, then why not retort my own post- point by point? Your standard canned responses of "Criticizing Islam is like shooting fish in a barrel", or "No comments are needed" sound as if you are simply parroting your professors.

People that taught you to think like them, and not form your own opinions. It leads me to believe that you really don't understand anything about the history of the West whatsoever, but merely have a grasp of today's fads and trends.

Christianity has been in Russia for over one thousand years, and in Italy even longer than that. Biblical and Mosaic law certainly formed a foundation of English common law, which in turn is still often cited in Western courts, even in the US.

That's thing one thing, among many, that KMU has utterly failed at doing- educating its alumni to actually be able to successfully rebut any point from the right. The left cannot argue, just ask any recent graduate if they have ever read a single book on, let's say, an opposing view onf global warming- never mind the program from BBC4.

I've studied Islam for several years now- from an academic rather than spiritual viewpoint, so I understand what its adherents believe more than the average Joe on the street, and the more that I read about it, the more that I realize it is a twisted, mirrored counterfeit of Judaism and Christianity.

Churchill sounded warning bells about Islam over sixty years ago, but your response to him likely would have been that he was an old, drunk warmonger with little understanding of the world outside the British Isles.

Just because you can name off the names of any dozen or two underground bands that no one else has ever heard of makes you no more or less clever than anyone else.

Dear me.

First up, I don't think I know more underground bands than many others here.... dunno where you got that one from

The reason I replied with the Seinfeld .gif is, really, because I thought it was funny. Of course, you had to find it strange because you assume that I hate America (again, rather a strange idea... I thoroughly disliked George W Bush's administration but then again so did roughly 75% of the US electorate by the time he left office. So they hate America as well, obviously.)

I never called myself more or less clever than anyone. Find me a post somewhere where I say anything remotely like that. Do you really have something against people who have been through higher education? You keep bringing it up...

People that taught you to think like them, and not form your own opinions.

This coming from someone who believes the earth was created 6000 years ago, Noah's ark actually happened, and that a book written 2000 years ago, then edited and re-edited can give us accurate mystical prophecies of the future. Let's not get onto people defying the laws of thermodynamics...

And please, you can definately come up with better and more up-to-date insults than me attending KMU

I am very good at forming my own opinions. No one shoved their political ideas down my throat, thank you very much. I studied music at university anyway, not political science.

Really, you actually have no understanding of me, or the mindset of anyone who lives here. That is painfully obvious from many of your posts and the things that you say, like utter nonsense like 'Europe fosters extremism', or something like that, then you'll find a couple of internet news articles to back up your claim, while ignoring the multitude of others that contradict it and more crucially, not actually having any first hand knowledge whatsoever of how European society functions in real life. Of course, most of GWB's wars were unpopular here, so of course that made all of us fans of the enemy!

You also keep trying to goad me with bringing up the Turks, which is almost funny in a way. I hope it disappoints you that I never react the way you think you would.

Your ideal solution to anything is to blow it up, or kill it with fire. Hey, since they're muslims, it doesn't matter does it? They're not really human beings! (i.e. not Christians or Jews... which is pretty odd, aren't Jews heatherns bound for hell according to your own beliefs? anyway...) Perhaps if you'd known quite how horrible a war is, you'd also wish one to be avoided at any costs, and utterly unecessary wars (i.e. Iraq) are even more horrible. (scour through my posts if you like and see if I said anything similar about Afghanistan... which I do think was a necessary course of action)

I hate war but I know that it is somtimes necessary, if there is no other option. The constant resurgance of violence in Israel/Gaza is far less clear cut, and unfortunately there is no quick fix as long as both sides continue to believe that God is on their side.

I don't consider myself a leftist, really (especially not in financial terms, my views are more fiscally conservative than anything else, and in the last elections in Cyprus I voted for the right-of-centre candidate in any case) but of course, anyone who disagrees with you has to be a Islamophile Communist... please, that is so 1970's! Hardly the popular fad now is it! (since that's apparently how I function).

I've also studied Christianity, Judaism and Islam from an academic point of view, and I see the three of them as some really strange acid trips that were taken far too seriously. But hey, whatever... people can believe in what they want. I lived in a very conservative Muslim country for 9 years and I have to say it was a very bizzare experience and not a place I'd want to visit again. I'm not blind to the realities. I am aware of Western history, and no, I do not think that Islam is a sign of the end times.


Atrocities were committed in the name of all three of the Judaic religions. Of course, your defence of all this is to say 'but secular regimes carried out many more!' well yes, the 20th century allowed for far more efficient means of wiping people out than times past. If the Crusaders had access to nuclear weapons, or the Spanish Inquisition... do you really doubt they would've caused the deaths of millions?

Islam is about two to three hundred years behind other religions in terms of 'accepting reality'. They'll catch up eventually, until then we have to make do with people wiping each other out because of the different interpretations of what God said.

I also believe human rights abuses are never okay, even if the 'good guys' carry them out. Which is why I'm happy Guantanamo bay is being closed down.

Am I always right? No, but I just think that people killing each other is not a good thing, regardless of who is doing it. (funny, one of the ten commandments says something like that, but I guess God meant those more as a salad bar than anything else... pick and choose them to your taste and situation) which is why I have my own issues with extremists. My sister was perilously close to getting blown up on 7/7, actually so yes I have my own experiences with that sort of thing.

So no, I am not a brainwashed fool.

I happen to disagree with you, and I have well-formed reasons for doing so that I reached on my own, without anyone telling me what to think or following whatever fads are currently going.

So just accept it.

[Carcass]

Men still lay with women, luckily.

OH OK!

And, Christianity&Judaism did exist centuries and thousands of years, respectively, before your precious Islam was even dreamed up...

Shamanism existed before Judaism and Vedic religions are roughly as old as Moses - if not older. So what? I study history and am still amazed at how people see old age as some kind of authority and justifyer.

...before your precious Islam was even dreamed up.

My preciousssssssssssssssss!!! Dreamed up, right. Not more dreamed up than any other religion. I don't think Islam is a twisted and deranged form of the good religions. It's a totally legitimate religion. Not my favourite, but I don't get to choose what people believe in. Neither do I equate Islam with terrorism. If this makes me an appeaser of Islam, then OK, that's what I am.


My point was that there are many parts in the Bible that people today find repulsive, sexist, racist etc. And people don't act according to all those events and regulations written in the Bible and I think we all agree that's a good thing.

The internet is full of those "BINGO!" Bible-sites. I'm sure several have already been posted here. Okay, their creators are very one-dimensional, I give you that. But take a look at one and say that a society derived from the Old Testament is a good one and according to your values.

A lot of things written in the Bible might've worked in the society of the time (and place). If applied as such on a modern Western society, these guidelines are best described as cultural lags. It's like a tribe would've moved from a desert to a rainforest, but still regularily performs rain dances.

[browneyedgirl]

Actually, Mohammed DID dream up Islam, sort of. Everything came to him in a series of visions. I guess he ingested too many 'shrooms as NV said the Christian prophets did.
Seriously, I was lucky enough to score a free DVD on an Islam webpage which briefly offered this DVD to instruct people about Islam, to counteract the bad press Islam has gotten.

I would love to see a true Muslim come here and discuss their beliefs. NOT dissing Christianity, as the manner of many members of this forum. But, just to talk.
I'd love to see the reaction of many of the people in this forum who bash Christians. I bet they'd kiss the ass of the Muslim, coo in awe at his/her message&accept it with so much tolerance, without question.
Contrast that to how every Christian in this forum who has had the courage to discuss their beliefs has been treated. 90% of people who are Christian, or believe in God usually leave this forum because the Christian bashing makes them sick. I'd bet if they had been outspoken Muslims dicussing their beliefs, it would have been a different story entirely.

But, life is funny. There was a true story written about a guy(a soldier) who was a racist--I mean, he was the worst of the worst. He bashed blacks like you guys bash Christians and God. Anyway, he got deathly wounded on the battlefield---bleeding to death. Since he had a rare blood type the only person found who could save his life was--you guessed it, a black man. How ironic. The guy woke up in the middle of the transfusion, saw the black man and struggled briefly until someone showed him a pic of his wife and children. Then, he looked at the black man with tears in his eyes&said, "Thank you for saving my life so I can see my loved ones again." He&the black man became best friends for life.
The moral of this story is obvious: be careful what&who you hate because what, or who you hate, could be the thing which saves your life in the end.
So, if there is a terrorist attack and you are hurt, don't be surprised if its a Christian who saves your ass.

[Carcass]

Nobody here is bashing Christianity, at least not more than secualarism is being bashed. In general the discussion has been quite civilized -- considering that this is an internet forum.

Please, don't play the victim card. Just couple of posts above NV was called an indoctrinated Marxist and whatnot. And in your post I and some others were compared to "the worst of worst". Yet I am nowhere close to being butthurt.

I'd bet if they had been outspoken Muslims dicussing their beliefs, it would have been a different story entirely.

It certainly would not.

[browneyedgirl]

I'd bet if they had been outspoken Muslims dicussing their beliefs, it would have been a different story entirely.

It certainly would not.

So, you are saying if a Muslim showed up here and started stating their beliefs you&NV(for example)would pick his/her posts apart, criticizing and analyzing, the way you all obviously do to the pro-Christian posts?

If so, cool.

No, I don't consider myself to be a "victim" in these little discussions because after all, I will defend my side somehow, even weakly. "Victims" run away.

[Mormegil]

I would love to see a true Muslim come here and discuss their beliefs. NOT dissing Christianity, as the manner of many members of this forum. But, just to talk.
I'd love to see the reaction of many of the people in this forum who bash Christians. I bet they'd kiss the ass of the Muslim, coo in awe at his/her message&accept it with so much tolerance, without question.

Care to explain where the hell did you get the idea that those who criticise Christianity support Islam?

But, life is funny. There was a true story written about a guy(a soldier) who was a racist--I mean, he was the worst of the worst. He bashed blacks like you guys bash Christians and God. Anyway, he got deathly wounded on the battlefield---bleeding to death. Since he had a rare blood type the only person found who could save his life was--you guessed it, a black man. How ironic. The guy woke up in the middle of the transfusion, saw the black man and struggled briefly until someone showed him a pic of his wife and children. Then, he looked at the black man with tears in his eyes&said, "Thank you for saving my life so I can see my loved ones again." He&the black man became best friends for life.
The moral of this story is obvious: be careful what&who you hate because what, or who you hate, could be the thing which saves your life in the end.
So, if there is a terrorist attack and you are hurt, don't be surprised if its a Christian who saves your ass.

So you're basicly comparing those who oppose religion (note: religion =/= the religious) racists? Seems to me people like NeonVomit and, dare I say, myself, are much more tolerant and understanding than some people here with Christian morals.

So, you are saying if a Muslim showed up here and started stating their beliefs you&NV(for example)would pick his/her posts apart, criticizing and analyzing, the way you all obviously do to the pro-Christian posts?

Of course not, silly american, everybody in Europe loves Islam.

[Carcass]

So, you are saying if a Muslim showed up here and started stating their beliefs you&NV(for example)would pick his/her posts apart, criticizing and analyzing, the way you all obviously do to the pro-Christian posts?

If so, cool.

What makes you think that this isn't exactly what I would do? I critisize Christianity, therefore I must love its 'adversary', Islam? I tend to lump all monotheistic religions together, rather than polarize the world according to their lines (Christianity & Judaism vs. Islam).

Just because I'm European doesn't mean I would handle Islam with silk gloves, as the saying goes in Finland. I mean, really, come on.

[stratoplayer]

I tend to lump all monotheistic religions together, rather than polarize the world according to their lines (Christianity & Judaism vs. Islam).

Why stop there? Practically every major religion (even tribal/druidish/pagan) has slain thousands of poeple to "pacify" or "appease" or "get favors" from the gods. I find the whole idea of religion quite perverse. A god who has a fetish and voyeurism habit and arbitrarily decides to fuck people in the ass? No thanks, I'd rather admit I don't know everything and form guesses (or theories if you want a fancier word) and let the world be.

[hiro23]

In the end it's the same old argument that keeps going on. "My point of view is superior to your point of view", all of us going on like we all know the secrets of the universe and if our opinion is questioned then apparently we need to knock on that persons beliefs.

I am not pro religion or pro evolution, I believe that by tying yourself to some brand of belief system that you just open yourself up to fanaticism and no matter what you believe to be true if your extreme in that belief it will only lead to something bad.

So in closing I will say that if we truly want to consider ourselves "more civilized" then let's respect each others beliefs and judge each other by our actions and not by our belief systems.

this is not an attack by the way just an observation

[stratoplayer]

In the end it's the same old argument that keeps going on. "My point of view is superior to your point of view", all of us going on like we all know the secrets of the universe and if our opinion is questioned then apparently we need to knock on that persons beliefs.

I am not pro religion or pro evolution, I believe that by tying yourself to some brand of belief system that you just open yourself up to fanaticism and no matter what you believe to be true if your extreme in that belief it will only lead to something bad.

So in closing I will say that if we truly want to consider ourselves "more civilized" then let's respect each others beliefs and judge each other by our actions and not by our belief systems.

this is not an attack by the way just an observation

Kinda hard to respect an opinion based on "My god can beat up your God"

[hiro23]

I'm saying let's respect everyone's opinion whether they believe in god or not.

[stratoplayer]

I know, I get ya.

But comments like "kill 'em all!" or "Jihad fuck yeah!", tend to piss me off and lose respect for whoever says so.

[hiro23]

well in the case of those comments it's best to pay them no mind as whoever has the opinion is not going to be changing it anytime soon.

we accept the things we cannot change and change the things we know we can.

[browneyedgirl]

@Mormegil, I would not talk about tolerance if I were you, Finnish trash. You bash me and call me silly I'll give it back to you. You get what you order. My Mom is dying right now, so I don't have to be nice to you or anyone else in this forum who insults me. Go to fucking Hell, asshole.
Of course, if its fucking in Hell it ain't so bad, is it?

[Mormegil]

@Mormegil, I would not talk about tolerance if I were you, Finnish trash. You bash me and call me silly I'll give it back to you. You get what you order. My Mom is dying right now, so I don't have to be nice to you or anyone else in this forum who insults me. Go to fucking Hell, asshole.
Of course, if its fucking in Hell it ain't so bad, is it?

Sorry about your mother, but it was not my intention to bash you (or americans) personally. And I intended my last line to be just a harmless pun (that's why I used such a light word as 'silly').
I just didn't see why you would think anyone here supported Islam just because they treat them as fellow human beings instead of "devils."