My religion is better than your religion!

[fernandotcl]

It's funny, every time I see that wallpaper with the "Vista ready guy" being injected Linux distros I think of it as a computer which is considered Vista-ready, but struggles when you try to install those Linux distros. Not exactly what the creators intended.

Personally, I think this is all bs, use whatever makes you happy when it's about your machine, use whatever is the best tool for the job when it's about work, and really, don't brag about it. Nobody cares about the operating system you use, really.

Besides, most people who worship an OS or another can't even give solid technical arguments to back up their zealotry. Heck, most people don't really know the OS they use. People who say "because my OS is more secure" are full of crap.

[Ragehead91]

Personally, I think this is all bs, use whatever makes you happy when it's about your machine, use whatever is the best tool for the job when it's about work, and really, don't brag about it. Nobody cares about the operating system you use, really.

+1

[exe knight]

Every religion (including atheism) sucks.

[Ragehead91]

The only thing is that atheism is no religion.

[Mormegil]

The only thing is that atheism is no religion.

Oh yes it is! Just like not collecting stamps is a hobby.

[Hubble86]

The only thing is that atheism is no religion.

Oh yes it is! Just like not collecting stamps is a hobby.

As listen to Metal. Metal both hobby and religion.

[Stealth]

The only thing is that atheism is no religion.

Right you are.

[Carcass]

Every religion (including atheism) sucks.

I never got this argument. Atheism is based on negation. Mormegil put it very well, if his post makes sense then you are right.

[Stealth]

Every religion (including atheism) sucks.

I never got this argument. Atheism is based on negation. Mormegil put it very well, if his post makes sense then you are right.

I don't think atheism is based on negation. It is based on the affirmation of the natural and physical universe. Here's a quote by A.C. Grayling taken from the book "The Portable Atheist", page 475:

As it happens, no atheist should call himself or herself one. The term already sells a pass to theists, because it invites debate on their ground. A more appropriate term is "naturalist", denoting one who takes it that the universe is a natural realm, governed by nature's laws. This properly implies that there is nothing supernatural in the universe -no fairies or goblins, angels, demons, gods or goddesses. Such might as well call themselves "a-fairyists" or "a-goblinists" as "atheists"; it would be every bit as meaningful or meaningless to do so. (Most people, though, forget that belief in fairies was widespread until the beginning of the twentieth century; the Church fought a long hard battle against this competitor superstition, and won, largely because -you guessed it- of the infant and primary church schools founded in the second half of the nineteenth century.)
By the same token, therefore, people with theistic beliefs should be called supernaturalists, and it can be left to them to attempt to refute the findings of physics, chemistry, and the biological sciences in an effort to justify their alternative claim that the universe was created, and is run, by supernatural beings.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, atheism is not and cannot be a religion because it lacks the most important component found in religion: faith. Atheism is not a belief system because it is not based on faith. The whole thing about religions is that they are based on faith regardless of how little evidence there is to support their claims.

[Carcass]

Were are approaching here an epistemological dead end. It's not really possible to be certain if there is a God or not. Atheists who claim to know that there is no God do base a small portion of their worldview on faith. That is why I see agnosticism as more consequent, to me agnosticism means rejection of religious dogma and the certaintainty of knowledge of the metaphysical.

I wouldn't mind being called an atheist, but if we would split hairs I would prefer to be called an agnostic, the two are probably identical for most people. Like I wrote in another thread, I don't know and I don't care. Why should I take part in an argument no-one can win, especially when believers have the best of resorts: the omnipotent God does not want to be deteceted. (Fair enough, but by the same rationale I could claim that we are a simulation programmed by a cosmic sociology student for his thesis. Sounds ridiculous, I know. But, please, go ahead and disprove me!)

[miditek]

In a retort to the diatribe of Carcass, Rage Boy spake thusly in a loud, shrill voice (and a Pushtun accent, no less):

"I kill you, atheist Infidel! Forget about the 72 Scandinavian virgins, you won't get any of them!"

[Ragehead91]

[Mormegil]

Europestan should really stop tolerating intolerance. Seems like "racist" has become the "heretic" of 21st century. Say a word about the problems that the massive muslim immigration is causing and they'll lynch you.

[Mormegil]

In a retort to the diatribe of Carcass, Rage Boy spake thusly in a loud, shrill voice (and a Pushtun accent, no less):

"I kill you, atheist Infidel! Forget about the 72 Scandinavian virgins, you won't get any of them!"

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Sure they will

[Ragehead91]

The last pic is awesome!

[miditek]

The last pic is awesome!

Very funny indeed, but I liked the camels better. It was rather good humoraganda!

However, I think Rage Boy prefers another species altogether!

[Rebel]

What the hell has Linux to to with Pokemon?

Thank you, I was wondering the same thing.

http://xkcd.com/178/

[Ragehead91]

What the hell has Linux to to with Pokemon?

Thank you, I was wondering the same thing.

http://xkcd.com/178/

Okay, I have to agree. Linux and Ubuntu sound a bit like Pokemon names.

[Babylon]

Personally, I think this is all bs, use whatever makes you happy when it's about your machine, use whatever is the best tool for the job when it's about work, and really, don't brag about it. Nobody cares about the operating system you use, really.

Amen. A friend of mine keeps going on and on about how Mac are so awesome and everything else is shit. Hey, I'm in accounting I don't need all that fancy crap... just give me Excel and some music

[miditek]

Europestan should really stop tolerating intolerance. Seems like "racist" has become the "heretic" of 21st century. Say a word about the problems that the massive muslim immigration is causing and they'll lynch you.

+1

Finns, Swedes, etc. should not have to change their respective societies to suit the whims of junior jihadists and their ilk.

My opinion is that if people are going to emigrate (from whatever 3rd world shithole that they come from) to any western nation, then they must assimilate, behave, and follow the rule of law in their adopted country.

If the foreigners do not behave, and continue to cause trouble, disturb the peace, break the law, and otherwise terrorize the citizens (see photos below) of the host country, then they should be arrested, and then deported.

Here is one widely circulated (in the blogosphere, at least) of one Scandinavian victim of the handiwork of junior jihadists- Attacks of this sort are completely intolerable.



And here is another town hall meeting in Scandinavia- Wahabi style-



If the goverment and the police won't control these outrages, due to political correctness, then it's time to change your laws.

If that won't work, here are a couple of other suggestions.

Finnish made Valmet rifles



Known for outstanding quality and reliability...

Glock 19 9mm pistol

[NeverendingAbyss]

For those who haven't seen this, please do--
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[miditek]

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Kaffeine, Konqueror, KDE, Kwrite, I've seen all Kinds of Krashes with some of this Krap! Penguins are getting as bad as some other, cough, things on the market.

Don't even get me started on Evolution- i386 or x64 versions!

[JensJohansson]

My opinion is that if people are going to emigrate (from whatever 3rd world shithole that they come from) to any western nation, then they must assimilate, behave, and follow the rule of law in their adopted country.

I agree with this as well.

The "Linda" front page appears to be real. http://www.expressen.se/1.188807 . As far as I could quickly google, the assailants were initially identified as "black and speaking broken Swedish".

They stole phones which they foolishly used, and also the police recovered DNA from the rape. Thus they got caught, but received very light sentences, even from a Swedish perspective (I'm sure for someone from the US they are unfathomably light):

One (he was 18 years old and was the rapist and it said somewhere he lived in Finland) got sentenced to two years of youth rehabilitation.

Two others got a sentence of two and three months youth rehabilitation, respectively.

The youngest (16 years old) was acquitted.

There is no double jeopardy in Sweden so the verdicts were appealed. But I'm guessing the appeals failed, because google is silent about it.

On flashback.info there is a long thread about the case (in Swedish) https://www.flashback.info/showthread.php?t=195187

There it said they were just more like "swarthy" and someone else said "four negroes". Sometimes people on flashback are rather well informed, but I didn't find anything about their religion. But I somehow would not bet too much money on these guys being Mormon...

I think 150 lashes might work better than youth rehabilitation for people like this.

[Stealth]

My opinion is that if people are going to emigrate (from whatever 3rd world shithole that they come from) to any western nation, then they must assimilate, behave, and follow the rule of law in their adopted country.

I agree with the fact that people who decide to move to a new country must be willing to integrate and follow the laws of their adopted country (and I speak from personal experience). However, miditek, once again you have managed to show your reactionary side by labelling third world countries as shitholes. Those are quite stupid words. And by the way, they do nothing to make foreigners from third world countries feel welcome. If anything, retarded phrases such as yours only generate more conflicts by making immigrants feel alienated and frustrated, which in turn leads to resentment and a sense of impotence.

There it said they were just more like "swarthy" and someone else said "four negroes". Sometimes people on flashback are rather well informed, but I didn't find anything about their religion. But I somehow would not bet too much money on these guys being Mormon...

The focus is always on religion, but what about social problems within the host country? Sweden has not been exactly famous for not discriminating against foreigners, although things might be changing right now. My family (myself included, but I was too young to remember) spent a year in Denmark and visited Sweden among other places MANY years ago, and well, things were not always that great (at that time, Denmark seemed to be the most tolerant out of the two countries).
Besides, you always see these news across Europe. Here in Canada, we don't really have those problems with Muslims. Maybe it's because they don't feel so discriminated when it comes to looking for jobs, getting a good education, standing out for what they do regardless of their background, etc. So yes, there are LOTS of Muslims here and in Europe... Still, the really serious problems tend to happen in Europe. Why is that? Is it just because of religion? I think not. Consider Sarkozy as an example.

I think 150 lashes might work better than youth rehabilitation for people like this.

Yes of course, that's the most civilized solution. Punishment has always worked wonders... That's why prisons in America never accomplish anything when it comes to reinserting prisoners into society.

[SinisterStar]

kill em all and let god sort them out

[miditek]

My opinion is that if people are going to emigrate (from whatever 3rd world shithole that they come from) to any western nation, then they must assimilate, behave, and follow the rule of law in their adopted country.

I agree with this as well.

The "Linda" front page appears to be real. http://www.expressen.se/1.188807 . As far as I could quickly google, the assailants were initially identified as "black and speaking broken Swedish".

Big surprise there, judging by the injuries that poor kid received, and far from being the only report that I've read of similiar types of acts committed by foreigners in Sweden over the last few years.

They stole phones which they foolishly used, and also the police recovered DNA from the rape. Thus they got caught, but received very light sentences, even from a Swedish perspective (I'm sure for someone from the US they are unfathomably light):

Well, it's not like the police are dealing with the archtypical suave, international criminal mindset (who wouldn't probably wouldn't commit those types of crimes anyway), but violent, feral third world animals that unfortunately have little to fear in the form of real punishment from Sweden's legal system.

One (he was 18 years old and was the rapist and it said somewhere he lived in Finland) got sentenced to two years of youth rehabilitation. Two others got a sentence of two and three months youth rehabilitation, respectively.
The youngest (16 years old) was acquitted.

Perfect. That's what I call a textbook example of a liberal court system that is clearly biased towards the defendants, and to hell with the victim. Judgements such as that will only perpetuate still more outrages. I hate to say it, but there are far too many jurisdictions that have pretty much thrown justice completely out the window.

There is no double jeopardy in Sweden so the verdicts were appealed. But I'm guessing the appeals failed, because google is silent about it.

Very tragic, and what a nightmare for that poor girl knowing that her assailants will be walking the streets again in a short time. The national media in many countries are usually silent about black (or brown) on white violence. The grisly Christian-Newsome murders in Knoxville, TN was one hideous example- the perpetrators were black- they carjacked a young white couple, and the proceeded to beat, torture, mutliate, rape, shot, and then burned both of them! Made the Gestapo look like fucking Girl Scouts!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_ ... her_Newsom

On flashback.info there is a long thread about the case (in Swedish) https://www.flashback.info/showthread.php?t=195187

There it said they were just more like "swarthy" and someone else said "four negroes". Sometimes people on flashback are rather well informed, but I didn't find anything about their religion. But I somehow would not bet too much money on these guys being Mormon...

I didn't realize that the descriptions of Linda's assailants were black- I was actually under the impression that it was either Arabs, Persians, or something like that, given all of the reports in the western blogosphere about problems with the Muzz in Malmo.

And no, I never suspected that Mormons would have pulled anything crazy like that. I have to admit that they are serious about their faith and trying to help others, even if they do try to barge in a bit more than my liking with their bulletins and pamphlets.

Also worthy of note, it's very, very doubtful that black people or Muslims would ever try to pull that kind of shit in some locales. Russia is definitely one place that comes to mind! I don't think that those punks would have survived long enough for the militsia to arrest them. In other words, some people will do things in places that they are reasonably sure that they can get away with it in, or that the penalties are comparatively light.

I scared the shit out of a couple of them (Mormons) the other day. Someone was beating on the door, and I typically keep a Beretta 9mm strapped on (rough neighborhood at times, there have been some burglaries recently), and when I answered the door and they saw that I was armed- although my weapon was still in its holster. It looked like they soiled themselves. I invited them in, but they said, "It's okay, sir, we'll just leave these pamphlets with you. Have a nice day!"

I think 150 lashes might work better than youth rehabilitation for people like this.

That would be a good start, that's for sure. Just as long as Pai Mei was able to adminster the punishment with a bamboo cane!



Note to Stealth: I promise to here follow-up with you in the next post or two, as this particular one was getting a bit lengthy!

[Rebel]

Yes of course, that's the most civilized solution. Punishment has always worked wonders... That's why prisons in America never accomplish anything when it comes to reinserting prisoners into society.

We rehabilitate our prisons, our prison reforms happened over a century ago, it's YOUR prisoners that we beat the ever loving shit out of.

[Stealth]

Yes of course, that's the most civilized solution. Punishment has always worked wonders... That's why prisons in America never accomplish anything when it comes to reinserting prisoners into society.

We rehabilitate our prisons, our prison reforms happened over a century ago, it's YOUR prisoners that we beat the ever loving shit out of.

I'm confused. I don't really know who you are talking about when you say "YOUR prisoners".
In any case, if you think that the last time prisons were reformed was over a century ago, you are seriously outdated. As a result of the inability of public prisons to deal with the increasing number of prisoners, private prisons have become an extremely profitable business; there are entire towns that have become economically dependent on prisons, including supermax. Needless to say, those in the business have an interest in criminalizing certain types of behaviour. More prisoners means more business.