OZZY Sues TONY IOMMI Over Ownership of BLACK SABBATH

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OZZY Sues TONY IOMMI Over Ownership of BLACK SABBATH

Post by Ragehead91 » Fri May 29, 2009 5:08 pm

According to the New York Post, Ozzy Osbourne has filed a lawsuit against his BLACK SABBATH bandmate Tony Iommi, claiming that Iommi illegally took sole ownership of the band's name in a filing with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.

Osbourne is suing Iommi for a 50 percent interest in the "Black Sabbath" trademark, along with a portion of Iommi's profits from use of the name.

The Manhattan federal court suit also charges that Osbourne's "signature lead vocals" are largely responsible for the band's "extraordinary success," noting that its popularity plummeted during his absence from 1980 through 1996.

Ozzy's suit follows one filed by Iommi in December 2008 against Live Nation. In that filing, Iommi claims the concert giant sold merchandise bearing the band's logo, despite the 2006 expiration of a merchandising deal, reportedly worth nearly $80 million. Soon after that agreement concluded, Iommi reclaimed the band's trademark.

Iommi's suit argues Live Nation continued to sell more than 100 items of merchandise featuring the band's likeness, name and logo, despite the receipt of cease-and-desist orders from the guitarist's camp. Iommi's suit seeks damages in the amount of three times the profits from the merchandise sales, plus a halt to the BLACK SABBATH product sales.

Iommi and Geezer Butler have both said some less than kind things about working with Osbourne in a new interview with Decibel magazine. The pair recently completed a new studio album as HEAVEN & HELL, the post-Ozzy version of SABBATH featuring vocalist Ronnie James Dio, and Butler said that working with Dio was much easier than Osbourne. He explained, "Ronnie's a songwriter in his own right — he's got tons of ideas. Whereas Ozzy . . . in the old days, he'd come up with a vocal line and I'd write the lyrics. Ronnie is 100 percent involved in both the musical side and the vocal side, and he writes his own lyrics as well."

Butler added that Osbourne didn't take him seriously as a songwriter, saying, "If we were with Ozzy and I came in with the killer riff of all time, Ozzy wouldn't even think of doing it because I'm not the guitarist and that's the way he thinks . . . That's why it was so bloody hard to write anything."

Butler said about HEAVEN & HELL's debut CD, "The Devil You Know", "If we'd written this album with Ozzy, we'd still be working on the first track."

Iommi added that there was a sharp difference between the singers live as well, saying, "It was great being with Ozzy on the road . . . but with Ronnie it's a lot different, because we go out and we know exactly what we're gonna be doing. With Ozzy, we didn't really know. It was touch and go sometimes on some of those early shows, whether he was gonna turn up, if he'd be able to sing, if his voice was gone, or what. We'd have to cancel shows, which Geezer and myself really hated. But with Ronnie, we've never canceled a show."

HEAVEN & HELL will tour Europe later this spring and summer, with North American dates scheduled for August.

Ozzy Osbourne is currently working on his next solo album.

Tony Iommi's filing with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office:

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He did it again. Or should I say she? I guess now that the new TV show didn't work they need to milk out BS...

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Re: OZZY Sues TONY IOMMI Over Ownership of BLACK SABBATH

Post by Mormegil » Fri May 29, 2009 6:33 pm

Sounds like someone has a bad case of butthurtery. To me Black Sabbath equals Iommi, the only permanent member of the band and the father of heavy metal riff. He has every right for the bands name. I never liked Ozzy's voice and I tend to fantasize how awesome the albums with him would've been with Dio singing.

Oh and btw, wasn't it Butler who came up with name "Black Sabbath" in first place?

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Post by Ragehead91 » Fri May 29, 2009 6:42 pm

I dunno bout that. But this is just fucked up. Ozzy owes his entire Carrere to Iommi. If it wasn't for Iommi's music nobody would know him. He should show some respect.

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Post by icecab21 » Fri May 29, 2009 11:31 pm

I think it should just be about the contracts the guys had with each other. If there was a contract broken then it is justifiable to use the court system.

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Post by Ragehead91 » Fri May 29, 2009 11:37 pm

What contracts? Tony Iommi has trademarked "Black Sabbath" 10 years ago according to the picture of the formular also posted in the original posting on Blabbermouth. He has every right to the name. He is the only single member remaining who was with the band from the day it was founded to today. He wrote nearly all of the songs and he invented Heavy Metal with that band. Ozzy owes his carrere to Iommi! If it wasn't for Iommi nobody would remember him nowdays! He should be thankfuly that Iommi recruted him years ago and not sue him. But I guess his wife $haron O$bourne is behind that anyway.

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Post by Ragehead91 » Sat May 30, 2009 1:09 am

I just lost the the little rest of respect I had for the guy. To qote a comment from Blabbermouth:
Ozzy's REAL statement....
OhOh OoH OhOhOoh... Tttttt T t T t Ony iis s is ssi s I wa wa wa the the the na na an name OhhO Oh oh... s$harrrrron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Read this. He says that the rights of the name should be split between the 4 but yet he sues for 50% while he maybe contributed 5% musicaly...
Ozzy Osbourne has filed a lawsuit against his BLACK SABBATH bandmate Tony Iommi, claiming that Iommi illegally took sole ownership of the band's name in a filing with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.

Osbourne is suing Iommi for a 50 percent interest in the "Black Sabbath" trademark, along with a portion of Iommi's profits from use of the name.

The Manhattan federal court suit also charges that Osbourne's "signature lead vocals" are largely responsible for the band's "extraordinary success," noting that its popularity plummeted during his absence from 1980 through 1996.

In a statement released this afternoon (Friday, May 29), Ozzy says about his decision to sue Iommi, "It is with great regret that I had to resort to legal action against my long-term partner Tony Iommi, but after three years of trying to resolve this issue amicably, I feel I have no other recourse.

"As of the mid-1990s, after constant and numerous changes in band members, the brand of 'BLACK SABBATH' was literally in the toilet and Tony Iommi (touring under the name BLACK SABBATH) was reduced to performing in clubs. Since 1997, when Geezer [Butler, bass], Bill [Ward, drums] and myself rejoined the band, BLACK SABBATH has returned to its former glory as we headlined sold-out arenas and amphitheatres playing to upwards of 50,000 people at each show around the world. We worked collectively to restore credibility and bring dignity back to the name 'BLACK SABBATH,' which led to the band being inducted into the U.K. and U.S. Rock And Roll Hall of Fames in 2005 and 2006, respectively.

"Throughout the last 12 years, it was my management representatives who oversaw the marketing and quality control of the 'BLACK SABBATH' brand through Ozzfest, touring, merchandising and album reissues. The name 'BLACK SABBATH' now has a worldwide prestige and merchandising value that it would not have had by continuing on the road it was on prior to the 1997 reunion tour.

"Tony, I am so sorry it's had to get to this point by me having to take this action against you. I don't have the right to speak for Geezer and Bill, but I feel that morally and ethically the trademark should be owned by the four of us equally. I hope that by me taking this first step that it will ultimately end up that way. We've all worked too hard and long in our careers to allow you to sell merchandise that features all our faces, old BLACK SABBATH album covers and band logos, and then you tell us that you own the copyright.

"We're all in our 60s now. The BLACK SABBATH legacy should live on long after we have all gone.

"Please do the right thing."

Osbourne added in a separate online post, "I am very saddened that I've had to take legal action against Tony. This is something that I've tried to avoid for years. I am not Geezer or Bill's voice. However, 'till the day I die I will not change my mind on this issue. The BLACK SABBATH trademark should be equally owned by Geezer, Bill, Tony and I as the true BLACK SABBATH lineup is Tony, Geezer, Bill and I. We've all been mates since school. I've always said there is an invisible thread that holds us together.

"Tony, let's get this ridiculous issue sorted and move on with our lives. You're 61, I'm 60. I hope that we've got a good 20 years left in us. But if not, God forbid something happens to you. What's going to happen to the BLACK SABBATH trademark? Who's going to oversee it? Don't you think after we're long gone the rights should stay in your family, my family, Bill's family and Geezer's family?"

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Post by hiro23 » Sat May 30, 2009 1:22 am

This really is a sad chapter in metal history.
I mean when is this drama going to stop, it's become less about the music and more about "let's see what we can do to get ourselves some attention".

I was looking forward to hearing Heaven and Hell live and then getting a new Sabbath album and hearing the classic line up, however it seems because of people who crave drama we won't be getting it. Instead what we will be left with is court cases,law suits,more lawyers,bitter feelings and us as fans being ultimatly disapointed.

I really hope this thing gets worked out but looking at the circumstances as they are we probably won't ever see a Black Sabbath album ever again.
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Re: OZZY Sues TONY IOMMI Over Ownership of BLACK SABBATH

Post by Ragehead91 » Sat May 30, 2009 1:33 am

I think this is more about Sharon craving money and Ozzy being jealous about the success of Heaven and Hell then the royalities.

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Post by icecab21 » Sat May 30, 2009 1:44 am

It said he tried for three years for the change to be made, it does not sound like a spur of the moment decision that they just thought of. I don't know what they had agreed to with ownership of the name, but if that agreement was broken I imagine that makes a solid case. I really don't understand ozzy saying 25% for everyone and then suing for 50% though.

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Post by hiro23 » Sat May 30, 2009 1:56 am

It doesn't make sense to me either, I really thought they'd already settled this and that it wasn't an issue.
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Post by En extremt tråkig pe » Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:56 pm

This is the guy who somehow has sole writing credits on all songs on Bark At The Moon and who had the drums and bass rerecorded on his first 2 solo albums reissues rather than give credit to Lee Kerslake and Bob Daisley. Yes, Ozzy I'm sure you know a lot about doing the morally and ethically "right thing":idea:
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Post by Ragehead91 » Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:03 pm

Yeah. That guy is just jealous that Heaven and Hell is going so well and that Sabbath without him can be successful. I mean, in his statement he wrote he said that Sabbath was basicly dead after he left. And that is wrong. Sabbath with Dio were very successful and even the other line-ups were good and sold CDs.

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Post by hiro23 » Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:18 pm

I was really pissed when I read that he referred to the Tony martin years as them being reduced to club band status.

I mean I love Ozzy and his music but he really needs to give credit where credit is due and the truth is Tony Iommi is Black Sabbath and if it wasn't for him no one would even know who Ozzy is.
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Post by Ragehead91 » Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:20 pm

hiro23 wrote: I mean I love Ozzy and his music but he really needs to give credit where credit is due and the truth is Tony Iommi is Black Sabbath and if it wasn't for him no one would even know who Ozzy is.
Exactly my words. Ozzy owes his whole to Iommi.

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Post by hiro23 » Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:24 pm

I say because of recent events Tony should just keep going with Heaven and hell, I know I certainly wouldn't want to go back and perform with someone who's suing me.
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Post by Ragehead91 » Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:36 pm

Yeah. Actually this is sad. As far as I know there were still plans for a final Sabbath album with Ozzy. I guess those are gone now...

Anyway, could you imagine what will be going on if Ozzy wins the thing? Ozzy, Zakk Wylde and 2 other no-names going on tour as "Black Sabbath"? I don't even wanna think about that...

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Post by hiro23 » Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:37 pm

Same here, it's yet another situation I don't understand.
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Post by NeonVomit » Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:02 am

Just sad. I hate seeing things like this.

Who from them needs more money?
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Post by hiro23 » Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:36 am

Obviously Ozzy
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Post by Ragehead91 » Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:56 am

No. $haron.

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Post by miditek » Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:33 am

Just a thought, but sometimes people take "band drama" way too seriously.

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Post by hiro23 » Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:47 am

I'm just confused is all, I thought they'd buried the hatchet and we were going to get a new Sabbath album.
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Post by Ragehead91 » Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:16 pm

miditek wrote:Just a thought, but sometimes people take "band drama" way too seriously.

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Post by Babylon » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:04 am

Ragehead91 wrote:No. $haron.
Yea, it's gotta be her. I mean, the poor guy probably doesn't even know what year it is anymore...

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Post by hiro23 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:23 am

All I know is this dashes my hopes for a original line up album.
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Post by Ragehead91 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:26 am

Babylon wrote:
Ragehead91 wrote:No. $haron.
Yea, it's gotta be her. I mean, the poor guy probably doesn't even know what year it is anymore...
Have you read the story about Ozzy always being high while "The Osbournes" was filmed?

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Post by hiro23 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:51 pm

No I haven't, but it makes a whole lot of sense, he's gotta be high if he's letting sharon sue for the Black Sabbath name
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Post by miditek » Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:22 am

Ragehead91 wrote:
Babylon wrote:
Ragehead91 wrote:No. $haron.
Yea, it's gotta be her. I mean, the poor guy probably doesn't even know what year it is anymore...
Have you read the story about Ozzy always being high while "The Osbournes" was filmed?
Now surely you didn't have to read a newspaper story to figure that one out! Ozzy's been blistered almost every day for at least the last forty years! :lol: :bandit: :lol:

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Post by JensJohansson » Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:49 am

hiro23 wrote:All I know is this dashes my hopes for a original line up album.
They made a quite good one in 1971 called "Paranoid". That one has the original line-up. Hope this helps :lol:

Seriously though, don't hold your breath for a new Sabbath/Ozzy album. Things seem a bit tense to say the least.

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Post by miditek » Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:32 am

I'd hate to think that I couldn't live off of $200 million USD (or £ $100 million GBP) :D
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