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[hiro23]

I'm with you Ragehead, I'm done with this.

[JensJohansson]

In expressing its affective states, an animal is radically inferior to man. Since animals lack reason, their means of expressing their affective states (fear, pleasure, pain, desire, etc.) are limited.

There was a slight tl;dr factor there yes.

The quoted passage above though merits a link to a recent news item:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8083230.stm

This has nothing to do with gayness, but anyway, if you believe in evolution, a sharp borderline between man and animal is highly arbitrary.

[Hubble86]

Some say apes are not homo but what about this apparitions.

Jesus Christ gay or bi??? His disciples ?

Sokrates and other greek philosophers?

And what about the Pope and all his Cardinals?

And the Devil?

The Good Father himself. Homo, Hetero, or in Between??

[Beast_Pete]

As much as I don't like the "gay" sexuality, I don't have problems with gay people. They are humans just like any heterosexual. It's definitely weird that a man behaves like a woman and a woman like a man, and I would lie if I said it didn't "disturb" me to see such things. But some of you old forumers might still remember that we had a lesbian forumer, and I think she was one of the funniest regular on this forum. I really liked her humor, and how she was thinking of many things. There's also a bisexual girl I have talked to a lot some years ago and she was also a good example of how non-heterosexuals can be absolutely normal as well.

Homosexuality is not natural, and those who are genetically gay/lesiban just can't do a thing against it. I wouldn't bash those people. On the other hand those who claim to be gay/lesbian/bi but are genetically heterosexuals should rather be focused. Those are the people who start all these stupid movements, bring all these anti-homophobe words to the media, and make a lot of people digusted of homosexuals, because of how they are acting. These people aren't real homosexuals, they just make a fashion out of it.

[browneyedgirl]

@Beast_Pete, I know the lady forumer of which you speak and she is one of the nicest, most intelligent people of this forum. She was not ashamed of her sexual orientation and we all respected her for her open-mindedness and her personality. That proves that one must never judge an individual based on superficial stuff like that.

[Bathory Killcraft]

It can get even worse, you get crossdressing, transvestism and other forms of even more radical behaviour passed on as normal or even as the norm.

It's all cool to say you don't care what someone does with themselves in their bed but where do we draw the line? What's next, people with sheep (ok, that would soon be deemed legal as it goes )? With dolphins? With elephants? With live yoghurts?

I don't think any member of the gay movement wants your pity. If you aren't socially empathising then I suspect they wouldn't want you supporting their cause. Rightly so.

As for the "it's ok as long it stays away from my ass" - thats apathy.

[Star_Ocean]

Man, this Bathory Killcraft is quite the closet homosexual.

[Bathory Killcraft]

Remember boys and girls...the saying goes: "You are gay and you are NOT okay "

[Star_Ocean]

Dude Bathory, did you get my text? You didn't call me after last night! I believe you left your fist shaped dildo in my room. I didn't realize that you could fit something so large inside of yourself. I dare not even try that!

Oh well, just text back when you need it! Toodles!

[Bathory Killcraft]

Man, this Bathory Killcraft is quite the closet homosexual.

According to the majority here being homosexual is actually amazing so thanks for the compliment

[NeonVomit]

It can get even worse, you get crossdressing, transvestism and other forms of even more radical behaviour passed on as normal or even as the norm.

That's pretty paranoid.

[Bathory Killcraft]

Dude Bathory, did you get my text? You didn't call me after last night! I believe you left your fist shaped dildo in my room. I didn't realize that you could fit something so large inside of yourself. I dare not even try that!

Oh well, just text back when you need it! Toodles!

Are you a homosexual Star_Ocean? It sounds like it from the above.

[Mormegil]

As for the "it's ok as long it stays away from my ass" - thats apathy.

I don't really get what's so bad about that attitude. What do I care what fully grown, sane adults do to each other in privacy. Not all apathy is bad, you know. If I were to stress about everything other people do that I don't like, I would have a pretty miserable life.

Conserning apathy:
-Your neighbour is beating his wife and you don't care = baaaaaad
-Your neighbour is engaging in consensual sodomy with his partner and you don't care = I'll say, good for them


I'd also like to add my top 3 reasons why I like homosexuals:
1. Rob Halford
2. They (well, the stereotypical ones and not Rob Halford) make me look manly
3. Over-population is going to cause massive problems in the future (problems that even Rob Halford can't fix with his br00tal awesomeness)

[icecab21]

http://www.slate.com/id/2194232/

A study published last week in PLoS One tackles the question. It starts with four curious patterns. First, male homosexuality occurs at a low but stable frequency in a wide range of societies. Second, the female relatives of gay men produce children at a higher rate than other women do. Third, among these female relatives, those related to the gay man's mother produce children at a higher rate than do those related to his father. Fourth, among the man's male relatives, homosexuality is more common in those related to his mother than in those related to his father.

this is the first paragraph of the article. it basicly talks about androphilic( attraction to males) genes ( therefor a gay gene when a man has it) but also a gene that will have a female more attracted to men and produce more children than otherwise.



it is not logical to say there that science cannot proove something, but we can say that it has not yet provved something. a lack of knowing cannot lead to a conclusion either way though.

humans each have their own genes, its not like we all develup in some binary way with equal physical and chemical develupment.

[Bathory Killcraft]

You gotta see this! Bruno vs Neo-Nazis!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU8nhHYlQ-I

[Beast_Pete]

Obviously being homosexual is not normal, as our norms say that a man should marry a woman and have children. Now two men or two women can't have children unless they adopt... but that's not birth, that's not really their own children, by blood. So in that sense, homosexuality is not normal.

And in my way of thinking I agree that it's not normal, as I think that a man was born with a penis with a good purpose: to put it in a woman's vagina (have any of you seen the South Park parody of LotR? ) to give birth to their child. Without these sexual activities, there would be no more mankind. Homosexuals do not "produce" new genepools, new children.

So the question wether homosexuality is normal or not is simply answered: it isn't. However wether a human being who happens to be homosexual is normal or not is another thing. Their sexuality is just oen thing. There are several other properties of humans that count, not just sexual orientation.

[Carcass]

So the question wether homosexuality is normal or not is simply answered: it isn't.

Such magnificent confidence! Your view of what is normal is very unproblematic. If it's not according to 'nature' it's not normal. That seems to be your view. Now, would it be normal to be straight and not have children? Is it normal to wear glasses? Is it normal to be on contraceptive pills? Is it normal to fly an airplane?

See what I'm getting at? Nobody's normal according to you.

[Ragehead91]

Basicly there is no "normal" and "not normal". We all are what we are. The "Normal" standard is something that is set up by our society and something that can differ a lot. Something that is perfectly normal for some ppl can be completly abnormal for other ppl. So you can't really say what is normal or not. In the end everyone has his or hers own definition of what is normal.

[icecab21]

The article that I posted stated that the relatives of gay males produce more children because they have higher levels of androphilic and the androphilic is also in the gay males. It actually said that the presence of gay males helps keep population levels up and is part of female evolution to help keep the species alive.

[Bathory Killcraft]

Something that is perfectly normal for some ppl can be completly abnormal for other ppl. So you can't really say what is normal or not. In the end everyone has his or hers own definition of what is normal.

So is shagging sheep ok?

[Ragehead91]

Well, I guess for those who do it with sheep it is. Again, there is no real definiton of what is normal and what is not.

[icecab21]

So is shagging sheep ok?

it's the only way to go
in fact, we should by law only be able to have relationships with sheep. screw one chicken in every pot, what we need is one cock in every sheep.


As for gay equality for marriage for instance, it means equal rules for everyone. Such as "every person of age of consent can pick one person of age of consent to be married to". as supposed to "every man of age of consent can pick one women of age of consent to be married to". It is simply taking out the words male and female and making it human. Since no human has the right to marry a sheep, no rights are being discriminated against if no one is able to marry a sheep.

[Hubble86]

If the sheep says NO with emphasis it's RAPE.

[Bathory Killcraft]

Well, I guess for those who do it with sheep it is. Again, there is no real definiton of what is normal and what is not.

No it is not. The sheep do not consent in it. It is physical violation and in this context it is equivalent to rape.

Homosexuality's only saving grace is that in most cases sex is consensual.

[Ragehead91]

Well, I guess for those who do it with sheep it is. Again, there is no real definiton of what is normal and what is not.

No it is not. The sheep do not consent in it. It is physical violation and in this context it is equivalent to rape.

Okay, maybe you're right. But it still doesn't change the fact that is is normal for those who do it.

[Bathory Killcraft]

Okay, maybe you're right. But it still doesn't change the fact that is is normal for those who do it.

This is problematic. Like other borderline behaviour, where do we draw the line? Murder is probably normal in the mind of a serial killer too.

I think "consent" might be the key word we are looking for but even then I don't think it's the answer.

[Beast_Pete]

Such magnificent confidence! Your view of what is normal is very unproblematic. If it's not according to 'nature' it's not normal. That seems to be your view. Now, would it be normal to be straight and not have children? Is it normal to wear glasses? Is it normal to be on contraceptive pills? Is it normal to fly an airplane?

See what I'm getting at? Nobody's normal according to you.

If you carefully read what I wrote you would understand what I mean by normal. Just try to define what the word "normal" means and everything is clear. Norms are made upon the expectations of human civilizations and cultures, and in most countries (in our times) the norms say that homosexuality isn't normal. I don't agree with most of the norms, but in this aspect I do agree with them, but not 100% as I think homosexuals can be normal, but there sexuality isn't, as genetically most people are heterosexual, so statistically heterosexuality is the norm. And also because of the fact that only heterosexuals can give birth to a child. Without heterosexuals mankind would extinct. And that wouldn't be normal.

Gotcha?

[icecab21]

And also because of the fact that only heterosexuals can give birth to a child.

Because gay people don't produce sperm or eggs depending on their respective gender.

As far as I know sex is not necessary to make a baby. It is also not necessary to be sexually attracted to someone to have sex with him or her.

[AAAAAAAAAA]

As far as I know sex is not necessary to make a baby. It is also not necessary to be sexually attracted to someone to have sex with him or her.

Looks like those college classes are paying off already!

[Ragehead91]

Okay guys, I said I'm done with this but the whole "normal/not normal" thing tempted me to write again. But from now on I'm done with this.