METALLICA Was Planning To Fire LARS ULRICH Before Cliff died

[Polaris]

Mustaine's written some great songs, but sometimes he just needs to keep his mouth shut.

I agree, & also I don't believe in everything this guy said, never would existed METALLICA without Lars & James!

[Florian]

Gamma Ray: Weiki V.S. Kai until 1 or 2 years back

So what? Weiki has never been in Gamma Ray. I would say:
Helloween: Kiske vs Weikath + Weikath vs Kai until 1 or 2 years back.

And for Helloween we also could say: Noise vs EMI

[Ragehead91]

You forgot Kiske V.S. Heavy Metal

[Florian]

If you read a recent interview (2009) he says he has nothing against Metal anymore.

[Ragehead91]

I can't really belive that.

[hiro23]

To address all these issues first off Lars does own the Metallica name and he is the one who registered it, so there really is no way the other members could have kicked him out, Lars is basically like the Tony Iommi of that band in the fact that only he can release a Metallica album.

As far as Dave Mustaine goes I would say that it still sounds as if he's a little bitter about Metallica, we still get great music from him so I guess it's not a big issue, however one bit of advice I would give him is to not take stock in idle gossip(even if he's the one spreading it).

[Florian]

I can't really belive that.

I read an interview on the French Rock Hard a few months ago and he said rejecting Metal like he did was a fucking stupid act.

[icecab21]

Some metal aspects are worth rejecting. Some aspects of metal celebrate negative energy and for me that is a part of metal that I do not find value in.

[Ragehead91]

I can't really belive that.

I read an interview on the French Rock Hard a few months ago and he said rejecting Metal like he did was a fucking stupid act.

Wow. Also another guy on a german website told me about that. It seems that he really made up his mind. Actually nice to see. It still doesn't change my opinion about his voice. I still think he is one of the most overrated singers ever but it makes him a whole lot less annoying. Really nice to hear that.

[miditek]

I think mustaine also picked some good "lead" guitar players, I liked both Chris Poland and Marty F quite a bit...

I really liked the original Megadeth lineup- with Poland, Dave Jr. on bass, and Samuelson on drums. They kicked ass. I also think that Friedman is an outstanding guitarist- he was definitely a good find.

LOL @ Psilocybin story .. sounds complicated!!

It was fucking madness! But to summarize:

- c. circa, summer of 1986

- My (late) best friend, Frank an awesome metal
vocalist and I were tripping our nuts off.

- Gregg, our guitarist is in the floor, foaming at
the mouth, and going around in circles like a
chicken with its head cut off.

- I see the headlights (with very intense colorful
rainbows) of a car coming down the driveway.

- I turned to Frank, and said, "Oh shit, here she
comes!" We begin laughing hysterically.

- "Don't get me started, man!" he warned,
between tears.

- "Oh honey? Fuck, I'm melting!" I said, and
which point we all three began to cackle
loudly.

- Frank then jumps- no dives- between a small 2-3
foot space between a couch and the wall, in a vain
attempt to hide from the pregnant ice princess.

- The bitchy, very pregnant wife comes storming in-
mouth wide open, and yells, "What the FUCK are
you on now?" Walks over to the recliner I'm
sitting in, and smacks me.

- Still lauging, and seeing in true Technicolor,
I bellowed, "Look bitch, we're not married so
don't come up and smack me upside up the head
!"

Like Mustaine - bringing up this kind of stuff after so long just makes him look like an angry bitter old man...

Well he is kind of bitchy, whiny, and also more than a bit bitter, but just think; if they hadn't kicked him out of Metallica, he never would have had the chip on his shoulder that he still carries to this day. Without that kind of hate, there would have been no Megadeth, and no cool songs from what I consider to be one of the better thrash/speed bands!

[Florian]

I can't really belive that.

I read an interview on the French Rock Hard a few months ago and he said rejecting Metal like he did was a fucking stupid act.

Wow. Also another guy on a german website told me about that. It seems that he really made up his mind. Actually nice to see. It still doesn't change my opinion about his voice. I still think he is one of the most overrated singers ever but it makes him a whole lot less annoying. Really nice to hear that.

Yes, but even if he says that, I think he will never sing on Speed Metal songs like in the 80's (I'm Alive, Twilight Of The Gods or Halloween for example). I think he will continue his pop career and perhaps his albums with Place Vendome, but no Speed Metal anymore.

We certainly hear him on the next Avantasia...

[JensJohansson]

Well he is kind of bitchy, whiny, and also more than a bit bitter, but just think; if they hadn't kicked him out of Metallica, he never would have had the chip on his shoulder that he still carries to this day. Without that kind of hate, there would have been no Megadeth, and no cool songs from what I consider to be one of the better thrash/speed bands!

Even more lol at psilocybin story and, yes, this is probably very true!

Still to me he sounds like a Smurf™. Sorry!

[icecab21]

he does sing till he is blue in the face

[hiro23]

Unfortunately for Dave Mustaine he's always felt as if he's had to live in the shadow of Metallica, no matter what successes he has with Megadeth he feels as if Metallica will always be number one and he will always be number two.

In many of the old interviews with him he says that he felt betrayed by people who he thought were his best friends, apparently he has not gotten over that.

[icecab21]

he is a huge number 2

[Ragehead91]

Sorry guys, but after listening to Metallicas stuff since 1996 he actually became my Number 1. And I think he is better than Kirk. Kirk is a great guitar player but I think Dave is better.

[hiro23]

Well obviously Mustaine himself doesn't seem to think so

[icecab21]

As far as number one and two go we are talking about commercial.

[Ragehead91]

Icebab, I think I already told you this in another topic
album sales =\= quality. It doesn't matter what one thinks of the album, but album sales =\= quality.

The first few Metallica and Megadeth Albums (KEA, RTL, MOTP and AJFA for Metallica and KIMB, PSBWIB, SFSGSW and RIP for Megadeth) are pretty much on the same level for me. The Metallica ones may be a bit better. Then both bands started to change their style (Metallica with The Black Album and Megadeth with CTE). I also like both of those albums although I think that again, Metallica may be a bit better. Then came Load and ReLoad. Well, I have to say that the Megadeth releases that followed also haven't been that good, but I still liked them while the Metallica Albums just were lame. Especially the shitty St. Anger. Then both bands came, sort of, Back to their Roots. Tallica with DM and Megadeth with TWNAH, TSHF, UA and propably Endgame. And I have to say that Megadeth's efforts are in my opinion better. To me sales don't matter. If I would go for sales, I would propably listen to Slipknot, Korn and Emo Crap like Bullshit for my Gayhotline and all the other stuff.

[icecab21]

I’m sure he is proud that ragehead likes megadeth more than Metallica but in the big picture the success of Metallica over megadeth is not making him happy. I’m just saying that who we like more is a different conversation than who is more successful.

[Florian]

Yes, a good example: Metallica sold something like 6 000 000 copies of St Anger.

[miditek]

Sorry guys, but after listening to Metallicas stuff since 1996 he actually became my Number 1. And I think he is better than Kirk. Kirk is a great guitar player but I think Dave is better.

Personally, I've always thought that Megadeth had better guitarists as a general rule of thumb.

While Hammett can obviously play fairly well, some of his solos used to get on my nerves- his overuse of the CryBaby (wah-pedal) was particularly annoying, and he really wasn't that good with that device to begin with.

He sort of reminded me of a "metal by connecting the dots" type of soloist, with a few too many cliches.

To me, Metallica's most noticable feature was that they were driven by rhythm and the drums, and were good songwriters early on, until they started to become a parody of themselves. Hetfield is a better vocalist than Mustaine, but he is certainly no Ian Gillan or Robert Plant.

Don't get me wrong, Metallica certainly left their mark, and came along at a time when a Metallica was really needed during the rise of glam- which I used to refer to as aluminum, since it really wasn't metal anyway.

Mustaine, as I said, is bitter and has a chip on his shoulder, but that's his problem. It's not as bad as he seems to let on.

I was listening to a radio interview with Roger Waters a couple of years ago, and when asked if he hated Gilmour, Mason, and Wright, his former bandmates in Pink Floyd, he sarcastically replied; "hate is far too precious of a commodity for me to go around wasting it on that lot!"

Now that, my friend, is bitterness- even though he has had some regrets since then- after their one-off reunion at Live8 and the death of Rick Wright. Life is too short for that kind of silly shit.

[Shurik]

Metallica didn't have a decent album since And Justice For All, while Megadeth had sort of a slip with Cryptic Writings and Risk. In total, Megadeth>>>Metallica. The last Megadeth album (United Abominations) blows to bloody chunks everything Metallica did since 1988.

And if Dave wasn't perpetually pissed off at everything, he wouldn't by able to write the songs he usually writes.

[hiro23]

That my friend is all a matter of opinion.

That doesn't change the fact that Mustaine still has sour grapes from his time in Metallica.

[Ragehead91]

DAVE MUSTAINE Stands By His 'METALLICA Planned To Fire LARS ULRICH' Story - Aug. 7, 2009
Ex-METALLICA guitarist Dave Mustaine stands by his claim that the band wanted to fire co-founder and drummer Lars Ulrich after the group finished touring in 1986 — but the plan was disrupted by the death of bassist Cliff Burton in a tour bus accident.

In a recent interview with RollingStone.com, reporter Greg Prato asked, "As far as you know, is it true that on the last METALLICA tour Cliff Burton was on before he died, the band was planning on firing Lars Ulrich at the tour's end?" Mustaine replied, "That's what Scott (Ian, ANTHRAX guitarist) told me. He said that when METALLICA got home, that James (Hetfield, frontman), Cliff and Kirk (Hammett, guitarist) were going to fire Lars."

However, Scott Ian (via webmaster Brent Thompson) refuted Mustaine's statement in a post on ANTHRAX's official Twitter profile, writing, "Story's not true. Little does anyone know but Lars actually owns the (METALLICA) name. Good luck ever kicking him out."

In an interview conducted yesterday (Thursday, August 6) with Classic Rock magazine's Dave Ling, Mustaine steadfastly stood by his story.

Classic Rock: Given that Scott Ian wasted little time in issuing a denial, do you now regret breaking the story about METALLICA's alleged proposed sacking of Lars Ulrich?

Mustaine: "No. It was something Scott told me. I was trying to help him promote his autobiography. I love Scott and would never do anything to hurt him — never. But it's what he told me and I know other people who’ve heard it, too. With all the things that are out there on the Net, I know that Scott's having a bad time. People are starting to say, 'We believe Dave and Scott's a liar. He lied about the thing with Dan [Nelson, the singer who controversially parted company with ANTHRAX].' That's the last thing I wanted. I love Scott. I wish I could just make this thing go away. But I didn't say it, he did."

Classic Rock: So how do you explain your role in all of this?

Mustaine: "Like I said, I was trying to help Scott. I wanted to say something that would make people think, 'Oh shit, I've got to have Scott Ian's bio.' I was not trying to make them think, 'Oh, Scott's a gossip,' or, 'Hey, don't believe Scott.' I'm really fucking mad that people are saying bad stuff about him."

Classic Rock: It's even been implied that you "planted" the question with the interviewer from Rolling Stone to ensure it achieved maximum publicity.

Mustaine: "Yeah, how ridiculous is that? This is MEGADETH, not KISS."

[hiro23]

ahhhhh the wonderful world or rock music

[JensJohansson]

Classic Rock: It's even been implied that you "planted" the question with the interviewer from Rolling Stone to ensure it achieved maximum publicity.

Mustaine: "Yeah, how ridiculous is that? This is MEGADETH, not KISS."

Yeah... how ridiculous .... is that....

This is exactly the kind of publicity every band should "achieve", you can take my word for it, I know from personal experience! Because sometimes you just have to burn the village in order to save it.

BTW maybe they should all go on Judge Judy.

Objection, your honor! It's hearsay about more hearsay and the witness is badgering counsel!

The press and record buying public plead the eighth!

[miditek]

BTW maybe they should all go on Judge Judy.

Now that is one judge that I wouldn't want to piss off. I don't think she would put up with Dave Sr.'s pissing and moaning for very long before slapping him with a contempt charge!

[Babylon]

BTW maybe they should all go on Judge Judy.

Now that is one judge that I wouldn't want to piss off. I don't think she would put up with Dave Sr.'s pissing and moaning for very long before slapping him with a contempt charge!