Helloween to release "Unarmed - Best Of 25th Anniversar

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Re: Helloween to release "Unarmed - Best Of 25th Anniversar

Post by Rebel » Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:18 pm

Intiaani wrote:
Ragehead91 wrote:I thin Deris know what he does and I doubt that they'll record the songs the way they do them live. Again, it is the studio. If he fucks up he can do it again. This ain't live.
You will be wrong. There won't be Kiske-heights Halloween for example or anything, but Andi-style. That's alright with me though. :)

I agree though that Andi probably knows what he's doing. I bet the band has the eye at this stage to decide what songs they all can play well, including Deris.
Well hopefully they'll backend this with NEW material, and tour with mostly the new stuff.

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Post by Ragehead91 » Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:37 pm

I somehow doubt that we'll see new material soon.

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Post by Babylon » Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:36 am

Florian wrote: No, please no Deris on Kai's or Kiske's songs :cry:
Part of the point of this album is to add current members' style to the songs, and it is obviously more noticeable on the voice than anything else. I think this is gonna sound great... especially A Tale That Wasn't Right.

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Re: Helloween to release "Unarmed - Best Of 25th Anniversar

Post by Rebel » Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:46 am

Ragehead91 wrote:I somehow doubt that we'll see new material soon.
I had heard they were going to do a 25th anniversary album and then a regular album

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Post by Babylon » Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:50 am

Rebel wrote:
Ragehead91 wrote:I somehow doubt that we'll see new material soon.
I had heard they were going to do a 25th anniversary album and then a regular album
That would be great.

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Post by Babylonian » Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:14 pm

Great news! Can't wait to hear! :)

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Post by Intiaani » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:47 pm

I don't know if Helloween's description of the album is that good. In my point of view it's not only about the most important songs. Yes, the main weight is on them (the Keeper era), but Where the Rain Grows and Fallen to Pieces for example aren't like that. Maybe they meant something like, 'Mainly the Important Stuff Plus Some Songs the Band Would Just Like to Record with the Current Line-up for No Reason, Or to Make Them Up-to-date'.

I'm not so what-if-person on this topics normally, but... What I would really have liked to hear is Still We Go as the last track. :´)
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Post by Florian » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:55 pm

Yes, Still We Go is a great song, Roland did a great job. The guitar parts are beautiful.

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Post by Ragehead91 » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:59 pm

And I thin that is the reason we won't get it. Roland composed it. I know it is a bit hypocritical from the band since they re-recorded Hansen songs, but they seem to have a huge problem with songs either written by Grapow, Kusch or Kiske.

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Post by Florian » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:19 pm

I agree, but they didn't play Kai's songs from 1991 to 2001 (excepted Future World). I think it's a bad thing since Roland wrote great songs like The Chance and many more.

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Post by Ragehead91 » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:50 pm

I think they played I Want Out and Heavy Metal is the Law during the Dark Ride Tour in 2001. They also played Ride the Sky during the Master of the Rings Tour in 1994/1995. But apart from that they really played no Hansen tunes.

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Post by Florian » Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:51 pm

Ragehead91 wrote:They also played Ride the Sky during the Master of the Rings Tour in 1994/1995.
Yes, I was not thinking to that while writing. Also they don't play Roland's or Uli's songs since the 2003/2004 tour, but they played Mr Torture (Uli) during The Legacy Tour. So, it's quite difficult to see what's the problem. :?

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Post by Ragehead91 » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:27 pm

Florian wrote:
Ragehead91 wrote:They also played Ride the Sky during the Master of the Rings Tour in 1994/1995.
Yes, I was not thinking to that while writing. Also they don't play Roland's or Uli's songs since the 2003/2004 tour, but they played Mr Torture (Uli) during The Legacy Tour. So, it's quite difficult to see what's the problem. :?
That is weird indeed. Although I'd still MURDER to See either The Dark Ride, The Departed or Immortal (Stars) live.

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Post by Intiaani » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:50 pm

Florian wrote:I agree, but they didn't play Kai's songs from 1991 to 2001 (excepted Future World). I think it's a bad thing since Roland wrote great songs like The Chance and many more.
The Dark freakin' Ride! But that's a curse for the current line-up, still, ten years later. So unfortunate. :/

I neer bothered to check who was behind Still We Go. Well, it being Roland explains its absence from the record. Too bad; it would have shown, once again, that they are live and well. I love any kind of these cheesy self-tribute songs (Freedom Call - United Alliance, HammerFall - HammerFall, Stratovarius - United etc.)
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Post by Ragehead91 » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:59 pm

Although the Stratovarius Song leaves a bitte-sweet taste knowing that the band was anything but united at that point.

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Post by Intiaani » Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:00 pm

Ragehead91 wrote:Although the Stratovarius Song leaves a bitte-sweet taste knowing that the band was anything but united at that point.
Yes, it turned out to be a very fake indeed. ;( Still it's great as a song. ^_^
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Re: Helloween to release "Unarmed - Best Of 25th Anniversar

Post by Rebel » Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:30 pm

I'm really glad there aren't any Dark Ride tracks on this, honestly, I think they would take a giant shit on the album and make it much more happy. TDR is perfect as it is

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Post by Ragehead91 » Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:31 pm

Maybe. Maybe not. We don't know.

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Post by Intiaani » Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:18 pm

If I could fly, I would correct you. But changed version? You know, Fallen to Pieces is so new it has to be in some other form. Also, these are more symphonic tracks on their albums. Are they doing some kind of more bad ass heavy versions of them or making them even more epic, or will they change them at all?
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Post by Ragehead91 » Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:23 pm

I don't really know what there is to change about If I Could Fly either.

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Post by Florian » Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:28 pm

Yes... Maybe the solo :?

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Post by Ragehead91 » Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:55 pm

Maybe this and the guitartunig. IIRC they tuned down their guitars when they recorded The Dark Ride. But does this alone really justify a re-make?

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Post by Florian » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:33 pm

Ragehead91 wrote:But does this alone really justify a re-make?
Definitely not. Many songs would have been much more interessant to be re-recorded. But perhaps there will be an orchestra playing on this song, etc...

PS: I know somebody who pre-ordered the CD in Japan: it countains a bonus DVD :)

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Post by Ragehead91 » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:14 am

Florian wrote:
Ragehead91 wrote:But does this alone really justify a re-make?
Definitely not. Many songs would have been much more interessant to be re-recorded. But perhaps there will be an orchestra playing on this song, etc...

PS: I know somebody who pre-ordered the CD in Japan: it countains a bonus DVD :)
Haven't they said that they recorded a show during the Hellish Rock Tour? Or was that just Gamma Ray?

If this is another Japan-Only thing, that would be bullshit.

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Post by Babylon » Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:19 am

Ragehead91 wrote:
Florian wrote:
Ragehead91 wrote:But does this alone really justify a re-make?
Definitely not. Many songs would have been much more interessant to be re-recorded. But perhaps there will be an orchestra playing on this song, etc...

PS: I know somebody who pre-ordered the CD in Japan: it countains a bonus DVD :)
Haven't they said that they recorded a show during the Hellish Rock Tour? Or was that just Gamma Ray?

If this is another Japan-Only thing, that would be bullshit.
Yea I think they said they recorded a show in Barcelona...though I might be mistaken..

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Post by icecab21 » Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:35 am

Are they doing some kind of more bad ass heavy versions of them or making them even more epic, or will they change them at all?
they are rewritting the songs so leaving the songs as is would be breaking that definition.

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Post by Ragehead91 » Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:03 pm

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There was a statement releades yesterday one a german website and they said that:
Eagle Fly Free will be a soft ballad with a duet of Deris and Harriet Ohlsson.
A Tale that Wasn't Right will be a melancholic orchestrated version.
If I Could Fly and Falling to peaces will be soft, lounge-music like.
Dr. Stein will be a Ska Version with trumpets.
In other words it is going to suck. The band just completely lost me on this one. :cry:

Proof: http://www.stormbringer.at/news.php?id=13552

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Post by icecab21 » Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:15 pm

this is pure fucking win, now people are really going to bitch about them

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Post by Polaris » Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:28 pm

This is another moneymaker!

Helloween is becoming equal to Iron Maiden who is only reviving old hits & survives from the past :lol:

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Post by icecab21 » Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:11 pm

this set won't be seen as living in the past since they are changing it so much, it misses a lot oftheir audiance completly. this is like making a chemelian 2 out of the hits. something i artistily appreciate and will like, but something many fans will surly be prima donnas about.

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