Yeah and they were a bit more exited about it then.HinatAArcticA wrote:We are at the middle of August. September is coming, are there no demos or downloadable songs somewhere from Trinity?
Do you guys remember when AoA came out, there was a lot of downloadable stuff at RR.com
The record company have to be upset about that......0 promotion of the album...what the fuck?!mayhem-for-all wrote:Yeah and they were a bit more exited about it then.HinatAArcticA wrote:We are at the middle of August. September is coming, are there no demos or downloadable songs somewhere from Trinity?
Do you guys remember when AoA came out, there was a lot of downloadable stuff at RR.com
Now the site ain't even up.
I think TT already knew he would stop RR so he didn't pay a lot of effort to this things.I was also suprise how quiet RR was,despite the new album is annouced.now we all know why. and the thing I dissapoint the most is the guy winning the guitar never receive it,at least according to my understandinghiro23 wrote:I hate to admit it but I also agree with the twilight reference in that I think both the new album cover and the twilight cover look way too similar.
it seems a bit lazy
It is harder today...RazielSR wrote:So what? In the 90's music business was not the same as in the 80's either.Rage1979 wrote:No he doesn't! Musicbusiness does not look the same as it did in the 90'sBabylonian wrote:Imo New Era's Heroes, We are Magic and Last Night on Earth and AoA's Ghost of Fallen Grace, Sho She Wears Black, Kyrie Eleison and Into the Future are ones of best songs, what Tolkki has ever made. So I don't think, that he is losing his talent.RazielSR wrote:a composer losing his talent?
. You have to remember, that Tolkki has a right to have degative opinion about Polaris. There's other people too who criticise Polaris too. I think, that we should not judge him because negative opinion about Polaris. There's freedom of speech you know and Tolkki has it too.tons of words against Polaris
Yes, and he should remember that he is Timo Tolkki.Babylonian wrote:You have to remember, that Tolkki has a right to have degative opinion about Polaris. There's other people too who criticise Polaris too. I think, that we should not judge him because negative opinion about Polaris. There's freedom of speech you know and Tolkki has it too.tons of words against Polaris
I believe he might actually honestly just not like the music. He has done that for so long that maybe he has gotten totally tired of it and hearing the other guys still going on with the old stuff may not actually be what he would like tos listen to now.RazielSR wrote:Yes, and he should remember that he is Timo Tolkki.Babylonian wrote:You have to remember, that Tolkki has a right to have degative opinion about Polaris. There's other people too who criticise Polaris too. I think, that we should not judge him because negative opinion about Polaris. There's freedom of speech you know and Tolkki has it too.tons of words against Polaris
If I say here that Polaris sucks, my job is gonna continue being the same and is not gonna resound, cause I'm just a fan. If TT says that, everybody is gonna see that like an offense or that he is trying to get some attention and destroy the album created by his (now) enemies.
Common sense.
Well, I was in RR forum a long time and I talked a lot there about it.mayhem-for-all wrote:I believe he might actually honestly just not like the music. He has done that for so long that maybe he has gotten totally tired of it and hearing the other guys still going on with the old stuff may not actually be what he would like tos listen to now.RazielSR wrote:Yes, and he should remember that he is Timo Tolkki.Babylonian wrote:You have to remember, that Tolkki has a right to have degative opinion about Polaris. There's other people too who criticise Polaris too. I think, that we should not judge him because negative opinion about Polaris. There's freedom of speech you know and Tolkki has it too.tons of words against Polaris
If I say here that Polaris sucks, my job is gonna continue being the same and is not gonna resound, cause I'm just a fan. If TT says that, everybody is gonna see that like an offense or that he is trying to get some attention and destroy the album created by his (now) enemies.
Common sense.
You see?he band revolving around main songwriter and guitar wizard Timo Tolkki (former Stratovarious mastermind) shows how first-class melodic power metal should sound. With catchy choruses, sweeping hooklines, and virtuous soli,
Wasn't it that since 2004 everybody else were in control of the band since his breakdown???Always was hard for a metal band. But...yes, today is harder. Anyway, this is not about music business, this is about how to handle a band. And as we all know, that's not the main feature of Timo Tolkki since 2004.
What I read in his statement was that there were no gigs offered. Nothing at all. It's quite hard, I would assume, to run a band without any kind of gigs.I suppose that the problem with RR is that TT wants to get shows like if the band was more important than what it is right now.
I thought it was three years old band in which time no gigs were played. And I guess two labels were convinced since Age of Aquarius and now Trinity will be released.It is a new band, completely new and just because that extremely talented composer and guitarrist called Timo Tolkki made fantastic and unforgetable songs and albums in the past, a label is not gonna be convinced.
I would say that any record company who signs a band has to trust the band. As I understood, this was not about the record labels, but lack of shows. Napalm Records is a good solid company with offices in the US as well.Imagine a music label, trying to get information from TT in the past years and the stunt, etc, etc, just googling or talking with people around TT in the last years...Who is gonna pluck up courage and trust?
Come on, give the guy a break. When did you hear him last time saying anything negative about his ex band?Always banning people from the band, statements all around, tons of words against Polaris and the whole members. Today this new musician I have found is like a celestial gift, tomorrow is the devil. Today yes, tomorrow no. Today black, tomorrow white.
I still think its not about good gigs. It's about no gigs. If you have a record deal with Napalm Records, which is able to pay you tour support for sure, you should get gigs. The promoters know that RR had a deal with Napalm Records and therefore that generates trust. So the only reason remains as Tolkki said, there was no interest in the band. It is logical.Cmon...just reading over and over again all the things happening with RR, you could end like this:
And yes, then you want to go and get good gigs and people involved in your band because all that strange things never happened?
Of course Stratovarius has it much easier because of the already existing organisation. The future will tell how long Stratovarius will last. That will not be determined by 20 people on this board but by the whole Stratovarius fans in the world and how they see the situation. I agree that Polaris was a good record and I also agree that Tolkki knew what he was doing when he left. What I don't understand is the slagging of the guy who played a big part in building up the whole band and then left.And now you could say..." but Stratovarius is a brand, and they have all the work done" And I say no. No, because Stratovarius was mainly Timo Tolkki and there was a LOT of people who thought that the band was not gonna be capable to survive without TT. But you see, Polaris was a good work, they are touring and touring, preparing more albums and the people is trusting again.
Well I am a member of his Facebook and to me the guy looks like very stable. Completely normal and rational.The same could happen with TT, it's just that he should understand that you need stability, cause nobody wants to stay in an unstable ship.
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Hmm..that phrase sounds a bit familiar.Hector Leonardo wrote: That will not be determined by 20 people on this board but by the whole Stratovarius fans in the world
No man, I actually registered a month ago, but I have also a life you know.RazielSR wrote:"leave the guy alone" ...till when? till he need the fans again? It's easy to say that. You are from Argentina so you'll understand the meaning of: "Quien escupe al cielo, en la cara le cae."
And oh yes, this is typical too, when we talk about Timo Tolkki, new users registered the same day appear just to remember all the good things he made, and dissapear.
I thought everybody here was a java bot, sorry.Hector Leonardo wrote:
No man, I actually registered a month ago, but I have also a life you know.
I think it's Jens JohanssonAAAAAAAAAA wrote:Hmm..that phrase sounds a bit familiar.Hector Leonardo wrote: That will not be determined by 20 people on this board but by the whole Stratovarius fans in the world
Who is Hector Leonardo?
at all the comments I've read in this page. With all how it's going on, I'm strating to doubt whether "Trinity" will ever be released...And Raziel, couldn't agree more with you with the new users 
According to Napalm Records it will be released 24.9.2010ggonza43 wrote:
TT was ALWAYS the mainman and the mastermind of Stratovarius (even today he is knowed like that, so it was all his failure).Hector Leonardo wrote:
Wasn't it that since 2004 everybody else were in control of the band since his breakdown???
I think you don't know that Sonata Arctica wanted to help TT and the band and he refused to play with them? Everybody in SA stills wondering about the strange response they had from TT. And well, let me tell you that sounds STRANGE that nobody wants to offer a gig for Timo Tolkki and his new band.
What I read in his statement was that there were no gigs offered. Nothing at all. It's quite hard, I would assume, to run a band without any kind of gigs.
Well, it is three years old, that is new I think ¿? And more if nobody knows you, and that's RR, a band that almost nobody knows.I thought it was three years old band in which time no gigs were played. And I guess two labels were convinced since Age of Aquarius and now Trinity will be released.
When I said label, I meant the music industry, everybody who is involved in promotion, etc, etc. The problem comes from the promoters, and I can't understand why TT, the mastermind of Stratovarius can't get some more attention - maybe is because all the things I was saying
I would say that any record company who signs a band has to trust the band. As I understood, this was not about the record labels, but lack of shows. Napalm Records is a good solid company with offices in the US as well.
I think TT knows more about "give a break", maybe Mike can enlighteen us a bit in this issueCome on, give the guy a break. When did you hear him last time saying anything negative about his ex band?
I would say about a year. And you guys continue the rant over and over again. You keep it alive yourselves while the guy himself remains quiet and just does his things.
I told you about SA, and I'm sure that there were more offers like that. Sorry, I can't believe that TT can't get gigs.I still think its not about good gigs. It's about no gigs. If you have a record deal with Napalm Records, which is able to pay you tour support for sure, you should get gigs. The promoters know that RR had a deal with Napalm Records and therefore that generates trust. So the only reason remains as Tolkki said, there was no interest in the band. It is logical.
And I think you are just "lost", like many of us were.
Of course Stratovarius has it much easier because of the already existing organisation. The future will tell how long Stratovarius will last. That will not be determined by 20 people on this board but by the whole Stratovarius fans in the world and how they see the situation. I agree that Polaris was a good record and I also agree that Tolkki knew what he was doing when he left. What I don't understand is the slagging of the guy who played a big part in building up the whole band and then left.
Well I am a member of his Facebook and to me the guy looks like very stable. Completely normal and rational.
I also understand his decisions has to have a lot to do with the situation in music business these days.
Just leave the guy alone.
Quite an identity crisis you have going thereHector Leonardo wrote:I think it's Jens JohanssonAAAAAAAAAA wrote:Hmm..that phrase sounds a bit familiar.Hector Leonardo wrote: That will not be determined by 20 people on this board but by the whole Stratovarius fans in the world
Who is Hector Leonardo?
Let's hope...I just don't want to be illusioned again by a fake newHector Leonardo wrote:According to Napalm Records it will be released 24.9.2010ggonza43 wrote:
http://www.napalmrecords.com/product_in ... 76622bab4a
Yeah. He said, that he disliked Kotipelto's music long time, years before his breakdown. Tolkki can have done strange things, but it doesn't vanish the fact, that Kotipelto's songs are mediocre. I think, that even RazielSR doesn't want, that Stratovarius will play Sleep well. Althought Tolkki is a well known person, he has still a right to have opinion about Polaris.mayhem-for-all wrote:I believe he might actually honestly just not like the music. He has done that for so long that maybe he has gotten totally tired of it and hearing the other guys still going on with the old stuff may not actually be what he would like tos listen to now.RazielSR wrote:Yes, and he should remember that he is Timo Tolkki.Babylonian wrote:You have to remember, that Tolkki has a right to have degative opinion about Polaris. There's other people too who criticise Polaris too. I think, that we should not judge him because negative opinion about Polaris. There's freedom of speech you know and Tolkki has it too.tons of words against Polaris
If I say here that Polaris sucks, my job is gonna continue being the same and is not gonna resound, cause I'm just a fan. If TT says that, everybody is gonna see that like an offense or that he is trying to get some attention and destroy the album created by his (now) enemies.
Common sense.
No he wasn't. Tuomo Lassila was the first mainman of Stratovarius. I wonder, why you didn't know that.TT was ALWAYS the mainman and the mastermind of Stratovarius (even today he is knowed like that, so it was all his failure).
And he fired Jari while he was in his breakdown
That is a slander. I know persons, whose are diagnosed with several mental illnesses and your behaviour is offensive towards them. I know, that it hurts, when your heroes (Jens, Kotipelto and co.) are attacked by "big bad Tolkki", but why have to slander a guy, who wrote most of your favourite songs?Completely lost, yes.
Ouch! That's gonna hurtBabylonian wrote:No he wasn't. Tuomo Lassila was the first mainman of Stratovarius. I wonder, why you didn't know that.TT was ALWAYS the mainman and the mastermind of Stratovarius (even today he is knowed like that, so it was all his failure).
And he fired Jari while he was in his breakdown
!Babylonian wrote: Yeah. He said, that he disliked Kotipelto's music long time, years before his breakdown. Tolkki can have done strange things, but it doesn't vanish the fact, that Kotipelto's songs are mediocre. I think, that even RazielSR doesn't want, that Stratovarius will play Sleep well. Althought Tolkki is a well known person, he has still a right to have opinion about Polaris.
Btw, some persons here thinks, that "the goodness" of Polaris is a truism, althought it's not. There are also some persons, who says "c'mon, Polaris is a good album" to persons, who says negative comment about Polaris. I don't understand, why it's so hard to accept, that people have different opinion about Polaris.
No he wasn't. Tuomo Lassila was the first mainman of Stratovarius. I wonder, why you didn't know that.
That is a slander. I know persons, whose are diagnosed with several mental illnesses and your behaviour is offensive towards them. I know, that it hurts, when your heroes (Jens, Kotipelto and co.) are attacked by "big bad Tolkki", but why have to slander a guy, who wrote most of your favourite songs?
It's a good comparison, although they actually went to court and the result as I remember it was very complicated. I don't know who owned the Pink Floyd name, but Tolkki gave the name Stratovarius to his ex bandmates without any legal hassle.adrian9 wrote:I dont know if this comparison is valid, but this is pretty much like when Roger Waters left pink floyd, he didnt what , gilmour, manson and wright to keep calling themselves pink floyd?? WHY the hell not?!? you quit!! we didnt!! and after some awesome albums released by the floyd without waters, we went on and talk shit about they former bandmates music and always pic on gilmour, this went on for a couple of years eventyally a reunion here and there. in the end this is all rotten music bussiness.
His cock will shrink?NeverendingAbyss wrote:Hector Leonardo! Tell me- What happens if Pinoccio says "My nose will grow"?
you are on drugs.., "on a island" is a brutal record, and that rock opera of waters..I dont recall the name right now....is so bad and pointless, I dont know why rockers who succeed in a band think they can do better alone. they NEVER do better alone. no even paul mc cartney did, what are the chances anyone can?Hector Leonardo wrote:It's a good comparison, although they actually went to court and the result as I remember it was very complicated. I don't know who owned the Pink Floyd name, but Tolkki gave the name Stratovarius to his ex bandmates without any legal hassle.adrian9 wrote:I dont know if this comparison is valid, but this is pretty much like when Roger Waters left pink floyd, he didnt what , gilmour, manson and wright to keep calling themselves pink floyd?? WHY the hell not?!? you quit!! we didnt!! and after some awesome albums released by the floyd without waters, we went on and talk shit about they former bandmates music and always pic on gilmour, this went on for a couple of years eventyally a reunion here and there. in the end this is all rotten music bussiness.
I have always liked Roger Waters much more than Gilmour, who is a wimpy kind of composer with not much to say.
