Money in music, money in Stratovarius

[icecab21]

how many people do you think buy cds because of technical"skill" verses melodic songs or rythmic songs or other reasons such as a connection with the songs on a emotional level? a person will make what they can get people to pay for their product, so catering to a need or want or desire and building a fanbase in more important than anything in the music. same with teaching, a person is "worth" what they can get people to pay, there are no "qualifications" in a acedemic sense in private teaching, just being convincing and delivering results.

[claudiodxe]

how many people do you think buy cds because of technical"skill" verses melodic songs or rythmic songs or other reasons such as a connection with the songs on a emotional level? a person will make what they can get people to pay for their product, so catering to a need or want or desire and building a fanbase in more important than anything in the music. same with teaching, a person is "worth" what they can get people to pay, there are no "qualifications" in a acedemic sense in private teaching, just being convincing and delivering results.

I agree with you. But cd's aren't as important as they were before. I mean, nowadays most of the people won't care about buying a cd or, if bought, won't care to take care of it. (pun intended). The problem is that what you say is right (referring to the part that you make a cd worth of people's money), but most of the time it doesn't happen!...

I miss the old days where you sat in the living room, put that cd in a good stereo system and just enjoy the pleasure of hearing non compressed music... I even enjoy 100 times hearing an old school vinil of Led Zeppling on the vinil player than hearing it on the computer (you should try it)... Back then, music was sold as art. Now, with the internet,pc's, and mp3 I believe much of that pleasure is gone... I don't believe in itunes libraries of 200 gb's of music... Its like having 500 virtual books in kindle waiting to be read...

I don't know, just my opinion anyways. (I had a really good conclusion to this, but I already forgot it hehe)

[robocop656]

^^^Yes, not everyone has mp3 players or 10 TB hard drives. I don't.....

[AAAAAAAAAA]

^^^Yes, not everyone has mp3 players or 10 TB hard drives. I don't.....

You're poor.

[AGAG]

^^^Yes, not everyone has mp3 players or 10 TB hard drives. I don't.....

You're poor.

A wise man once said: "My dick may be small, but my soul is large as a Pringles can"

[AAAAAAAAAA]

^^^Yes, not everyone has mp3 players or 10 TB hard drives. I don't.....

You're poor.

A wise man once said: "My dick may be small, but my soul is large as a Pringles can"

Ahh, pringles. "Once you pop, the fun don't stop" That's what papa told me the day he took my virginity- like a stale doughnut in the breakroom. Those were the days...

[Rebel]

how many people do you think buy cds because of technical"skill" verses melodic songs or rythmic songs or other reasons such as a connection with the songs on a emotional level? a person will make what they can get people to pay for their product, so catering to a need or want or desire and building a fanbase in more important than anything in the music. same with teaching, a person is "worth" what they can get people to pay, there are no "qualifications" in a acedemic sense in private teaching, just being convincing and delivering results.

I agree with you. But cd's aren't as important as they were before. I mean, nowadays most of the people won't care about buying a cd or, if bought, won't care to take care of it. (pun intended). The problem is that what you say is right (referring to the part that you make a cd worth of people's money), but most of the time it doesn't happen!...

I miss the old days where you sat in the living room, put that cd in a good stereo system and just enjoy the pleasure of hearing non compressed music... I even enjoy 100 times hearing an old school vinil of Led Zeppling on the vinil player than hearing it on the computer (you should try it)... Back then, music was sold as art. Now, with the internet,pc's, and mp3 I believe much of that pleasure is gone... I don't believe in itunes libraries of 200 gb's of music... Its like having 500 virtual books in kindle waiting to be read...

I don't know, just my opinion anyways. (I had a really good conclusion to this, but I already forgot it hehe)

Unless you're doing something fucking stupid, like ripping in 128Kbp/s, you shouldn't hear any additional compression from a CD to your computer, unless of course your computer is hooked up to a worse sound system than your CD player.

I have more music than I'll probably ever find time to listen to, but I'll make a damn strong effort to hear it, and it also makes for some really interesting shuffle playlists.

[claudiodxe]

Unless you're doing something fucking stupid, like ripping in 128Kbp/s, you shouldn't hear any additional compression from a CD to your computer, unless of course your computer is hooked up to a worse sound system than your CD player.

I have more music than I'll probably ever find time to listen to, but I'll make a damn strong effort to hear it, and it also makes for some really interesting shuffle playlists.

Yes I know that there's no problem by playing a record in the computer... I was referring more to downloaded music (piracy to be more specific)... And I also meant actually all the whole buy cd - get home to hear it thing...

But sure playlist should be fun by shuffle surprise songs =)

[RazielSR]

It's true that piracy/itunes and all that stuff nowadays makes more difficult to sell retail albums and seems that a lot of bands can't resist and they dissapear. But there's something I don't understand.

If it is that bad nowadays, how is that there are every day more musicians earning more money than ever in pop music for example? There are more "artists" than ever singing all over the place, more metal bands each day, more rock bands,etc, etc,

I see that the amount of "musicians" is growing in these days but on the contrary everybody says it is "very difficult to sell albums", "very difficult to succeed in a band"... Dunno, it seems that there are a lot more people now makins music than back in the 80's or 90's and that it is all overstaffed, but at the same time all that people is blaming the nowadays music industry.

I think that this argunment is a double-edged sword.

[robocop656]

^^^Yes, not everyone has mp3 players or 10 TB hard drives. I don't.....

You're poor.

Cutting it deep to make up for your inadequate penis dimension, huh? Sad. I'd like to see you compete with this.

[TwilightEagle]

The reason why CDs doesn't sell like before is it, that the music industry invested to digital music far too late. If they would have invested to digital music immediately after the mp3 piracy did grow, there wouldn't be that much of piratism. And when they launched their legal digital music shops, the music's quality was about 128 kbps, the format was wma, which doesn't work with iPod or similar players and they had DRM, which might mean, that when the music shop dies your music dies too. Nowadays there's Spotify like services, but they came far too late. Nevertheless I still buy my favourite albums as CD, but I also have mp3 versions of them for my iPod and the mobile phone.

[Rebel]

Unless you're doing something fucking stupid, like ripping in 128Kbp/s, you shouldn't hear any additional compression from a CD to your computer, unless of course your computer is hooked up to a worse sound system than your CD player.

I have more music than I'll probably ever find time to listen to, but I'll make a damn strong effort to hear it, and it also makes for some really interesting shuffle playlists.

Yes I know that there's no problem by playing a record in the computer... I was referring more to downloaded music (piracy to be more specific)... And I also meant actually all the whole buy cd - get home to hear it thing...

But sure playlist should be fun by shuffle surprise songs =)

If I download, it's always in at least 192 kpb/s. Compression and piracy are not related, hell, the Elysium leak is in 320kbp/s.

As far as getting home to listen to it? Usually the anticipation of waiting for the release is enough for me.

[ScreamAndRoar]

The reason why CDs doesn't sell like before is it, that the music industry invested to digital music far too late. If they would have invested to digital music immediately after the mp3 piracy did grow, there wouldn't be that much of piratism. And when they launched their legal digital music shops, the music's quality was about 128 kbps, the format was wma, which doesn't work with iPod or similar players and they had DRM, which might mean, that when the music shop dies your music dies too. Nowadays there's Spotify like services, but they came far too late. Nevertheless I still buy my favourite albums as CD, but I also have mp3 versions of them for my iPod and the mobile phone.

Amen to that.

There's a reason the biggest online music retailer is a computer company, not a record label or group of labels.

People download music and don't even see it as a problem making the tours the better source of income for many artists.

[NeonVomit]

I see that the amount of "musicians" is growing in these days but on the contrary everybody says it is "very difficult to sell albums", "very difficult to succeed in a band"... Dunno, it seems that there are a lot more people now makins music than back in the 80's or 90's and that it is all overstaffed, but at the same time all that people is blaming the nowadays music industry.

I don't think there's more of them out there, it's more the fact that it's much easier to make music nowadays. Equipment/guitars/amps are a lot cheaper than they used to be, and recording is a lot easier and simpler than it once was... someone with relatively little knowledge, some semi-decent stuff and a standard computer can put out an album if they like. Whether it sounds good or not is a different issue... again, I feel the record industry provides a pretty good system of filtering out the rubbish that doesn't deserve to be heard by anyone.

[AAAAAAAAAA]

Usually the anticipation of waiting for the release is enough for me.

I think you're taking this music thing too seriously.... :facial:

[JPR]

Money is made in live music, There I said it.

Go out an gig a shit ton, then when that is done sell stuff to the people who already paid to come and watch, Double Sale.

The modern day music industry (At least were I am) revolves around live music, a CD is or .mp3 digital download is merely merchandise itself but should be seen as advertising for the product (You, the act) and the not the focus selling the CD as product.

I do work with covers bands these days and get paid that way from gigs at clubs and then go off a do original stuff for enjoyment. It pays the bills

Most important thing is to make sure that you are actively involved in the industry even if it is teaching guitar

I don't even know if this is related to the post any more, mostly because I read about 3-5 words from every post.

[AGAG]

Money is made in live music, There I said it.

Tell me your secret. I've played Chopin petrushkas in front of people as long as I can remember. Still, they don't give me a dime even when I explicitly asked because I had no money for the bus. Everything is a cloud, or it seems to be!

[AGAG]

^^^Yes, not everyone has mp3 players or 10 TB hard drives. I don't.....

You're poor.

A wise man once said: "My dick may be small, but my soul is large as a Pringles can"

Ahh, pringles. "Once you pop, the fun don't stop" That's what papa told me the day he took my virginity- like a stale doughnut in the breakroom. Those were the days...

After come the Granola bars with too much protein and Mr. Pringle goes to hell...

[JPR]

Money is made in live music, There I said it.

Tell me your secret. I've played Chopin petrushkas in front of people as long as I can remember. Still, they don't give me a dime even when I explicitly asked because I had no money for the bus. Everything is a cloud, or it seems to be!

Where are you playing at?
Most of my musical income (lets say 60%) is from doing cover gigs going around to clubs the other 40% is: 35% teaching and 5% original.

This is at a rough guess

NB: I have a casual job to as a back up.