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Deep Unknown Matias Kupiainen Timo Kotipelto
Falling Star Lauri Porra Lauri Porra
King of Nothing Jens Johansson Jens Johansson
Second Sight Matias Kupiainen Timo Kotipelto
Blind Jens Johansson Jens Johansson
Winter Skies Jens Johansson Jens Johansson
Forever is Today Lauri Porra Lauri Porra
Higher We Go Matias Kupiainen & Timo Kotipelto Timo Kotipelto
Somehow Precious Matias Kupiainen & Timo Kotipelto Timo Kotipelto
Emancipation Suite Part I: Dusk Lauri Porra Lauri Porra
Emancipation Suite Part II: Dawn Lauri Porra Lauri Porra
When Mountains Fall Lauri Porra Lauri Porra
Ah, I see. For some reason I am remembering a video that when recording one of their albums Matias wouldn’t turn the volume down on Kotipeltos headphones?NeverendingAbyss wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:32 pm
One thing that I did wish TK did in Winter Skies was sing more softly. He sings like it's Hunting High and Low when it should have sounded like When Night meets the Day.
When Mountains Fall is a great little ballad. Again, TK's tone would be better off as if he was singing Forever.
Blind can be a bit too loud instrumentally, imo.
One thing that stood out to me was the vocals being not as controlled and high register as older songs. People age, etc. That was first noticeable to be originally back then. Another thing is the production which I have no complaints with. I just can’t pinpoint why it sounds a little different than most albums I hear, from my sensitive ears.
The thing I remember is all the incredible drama going on at the time, losing their main songwriter and starting from scratch and picking up the pieces. I give them credit for at least making an effort, where maybe some parts are not incredibly amazing and they’re still not just phoning it in, trying to make songs exactly like Tolkki style. That’s just me, though. Some people don’t think of behind the scenes things.
I'd like to add, sometimes adversity is a great motivator. It's an opportunity to prove and test one self's worth and skill, respectively.robocop wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:33 amThe thing I remember is all the incredible drama going on at the time, losing their main songwriter and starting from scratch and picking up the pieces. I give them credit for at least making an effort, where maybe some parts are not incredibly amazing and they’re still not just phoning it in, trying to make songs exactly like Tolkki style. That’s just me, though. Some people don’t think of behind the scenes things.
I would need something to go off of, before I try to investigate.Well, your username is "robocop".
Maybe the way the drums are? No huge reverb like the old ones. Who am I to say, I am a n00b. Or maybe running through something through an analog mastering plugin? No idea.
Hmm... The snare sounds a little less bright, less emphasis on the snare wires than on the Elements albums, but otherwise it sounds pretty similar. There might also be slightly more emphasis in the ~500 Hz range in the snare, too... It might also be ever so slightly lower pitched. The amount of reverb sounds similar to that of the Elements albums.
Tell me your opinion on the drums from Elysium like you mentioned. If I am remembering right, Jorg used his acrylic clear kit and matias said they were the best drums he ever recorded.
Oh, alright!
Yeah, so if I listen to Polaris and Elysium back-to-back, the first thing that jumps out at me when darkest hour begins to play is just how different it sounds, production-wise. It actually takes me a little while to become accustomed to the change. I could power up my monitors and explain differences in certain frequency ranges if you want me too. For instance, it seems like the frequency response has even more scooped out low mids for the drums than most other albums, but I would need to take a really good listen to confirm that, or just look at a frequency analyzer's output. I'm also leaving out the differences in other aspects of the album, like the other instruments' productions (Lauri's bass guitar being very audible here, etc.), because you only asked me about the drum's production.You probably just need to use a thicker string gauge, which would provide more tension at a lower tuning.robocop wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:30 amMy personal preference if I’m shredding is tuning up a little more. (only because of the amount of floppy strings that I could never fix on my crap guitar with bad tension.)
The gear they use is probably designed for that and they have no problem with the string tension like I did.
Be forewarned, however, that the thicker the string is, the more difficult it becomes to bend the strings. It might be worth it to use lighter strings for the thinner plain steel strings, and heavier strings for the thicker wound nickel strings.I remember that Matias also uses drop tuning often. He also has a really cool bridge that allows him to toggle between drop tuning and standard tuning at a moment's whim.
I just tune to A standard (7 string) and don't think about it anymore. You probably know by now, but I'm obsessive about album production and the like.
Tells us the secrets. Not that anybody even cares about this technical jargon. Ok. Back to topic subject. I was trying to find the old videos of them recording on YouTube of Polaris and can’t seem to find them. Eh, oh well! I do remember this was taken from one of the recording vlogs!
AAAAAAAAAA wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:11 amI admit I'm kind of jealous of the passion you guys have for music production and composition. It does sound like a really cool hobby!
Don’t give up!! Breaking a routine can be good and bad.NeverendingAbyss wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:08 amI, on the other hand, have a strong passion for cocoa puffs. You could say I am fucking cuckcoo for cocoa puffs.
Did you guys see those old Polaris vlogs recently? Or any time at all? There was one with lauri going up a construction lift with HIGHER WE GO playing in the back. As far as I know they were on Lauri’s channel? 
Yeah right... Just was raised that way. These are one of my higher purchases because I’m a pretty broke bastard!! 
