US president 2008: Candidates, discussion, and the rest...

[miditek]

Hillary's new campaign theme-

"Poor, Poor Pitiful Me"

youtube.com/watch?v=SKph1YmWcuU

Oddly enough, Bill n' Hill happen to be in the audience for this one.

[browneyedgirl]

Sorry, I just felt like doing that! I could make some smartass or jesting remarks, but Nahhhhhh!
Too bad he is dead---considering the choices he'd be as good as any!

[NeonVomit]

So who is looking like the main Republican candidate?

[miditek]

So who is looking like the main Republican candidate?

Hmmm, looks like U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ) and former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani are the two main GOP candidates.

There is also a grass-roots effort to get former U.S. Senator Fred Thompson (R-TN), and current star of the TV drama "Law & Order" to make a run as well.

[browneyedgirl]

As serious as politics is(should be)running for office has even became the main plot of some soap operas these days. And, fictional as it is, pretty dirty. As like reality?

[NeonVomit]

So who is looking like the main Republican candidate?

Hmmm, looks like U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ) and former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani are the two main GOP candidates.

There is also a grass-roots effort to get former U.S. Senator Fred Thompson (R-TN), and current star of the TV drama "Law & Order" to make a run as well.

Out of Scaryman Hothead, Lady Macbeth and Reindeer, I'd take the third. However, Rudy wouldn't get elected, doesn't he have something of a questionable personal past? Not like that is of any consequence, but a lot of voters for some reason see it as important...

[miditek]

So who is looking like the main Republican candidate?

Hmmm, looks like U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ) and former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani are the two main GOP candidates.

There is also a grass-roots effort to get former U.S. Senator Fred Thompson (R-TN), and current star of the TV drama "Law & Order" to make a run as well.

Out of Scaryman Hothead, Lady Macbeth and Reindeer, I'd take the third. However, Rudy wouldn't get elected, doesn't he have something of a questionable personal past? Not like that is of any consequence, but a lot of voters for some reason see it as important...

Lady McBeth & Reindeer? Strange nicknames, never heard those two before. Anyway, Giuliani, like nearly everyone else that I know has had some family problems such as divorce and infidelity. Definitely cause for concern for an American candidate, although I suspect that in other countries it might be less of an issue.

Rudy may not get elected, but his leadership during 9/11, and not to mention his performance as a former US Attorney, certainly has earned him his share of admirers.

McCain, of course, is understandably screwed up, as most former guests of the Hanoi Hilton probably are.

Thompson is my choice- he's a plainspoken, no b/s type of guy, and doesn't seem to have a lot of baggage. He has been treated for cancer recently (as was Giuliani), but that shouldn't preclude him from running.

Being a Southerner doesn't hurt, either, as far as the political landscape in concerned. There have been quite a few men from the South that have been president. (Yes, I know where Lyndon Johnson, Jimmah Catuh, and Bill Clinton were from).

As of today, I am watching the French election news with great interest. It's my hope that Sarkozy will take the election. Perhaps he'll be able to put on the brakes of all the damn entitlements before the country goes bankrupt. There is already a riot alert that has been sent to the police, in the event that post-election results lead to violence.

If he wins, you may actually see a thawing of US-French relations. Royal claims that she won't be Bush's poodle- so I'm assuming that she'll cast her lot with the usual suspects; Marxists and jihadists.
We will see soon enough, and it's bound to be interesting.

[Carcass]

Sarkozy won, as expected. I didn't like either of them very much.

[Stealth]

I certainly would have preferred Royal. I don't identify with anything that leans even slightly to the right. Expect more trouble and riots like last year with immigrants living in suburbs. France has been a rather conservative country for a couple of years now. I think that the values of the French Revolution (even though they did have some flaws in that they applied almost exclusively to French citizens) have been lost.

[Carcass]

I find it a bit frustrating trying to place myself in the left-right axis, although my views tend to be quite leftist. But I guess I would've voted for Royal. Or rather, against Sarkozy. It seems like he doesn't have much appreciation for the smaller members of EU, he keeps talking about the cooperation between the big nations all the time. Bastard.

[NeonVomit]

I fail to understnd what someone's personal life has to do with their capability of running the country. I'd probably support Guiliani because he has a strong track record of actual achievements and leadership. As in, he's good at his job and has proven it. I don't care two hoots of what he's done in his personal life, that's his buisiness and noone elses.

Shame inconsequential matters such as those actually make an impact on voters.

Eg France - both Sarkozy and Royal have patchy marital records, and it was a complete non-issue in the election.

(as for the nicknames, Reindeer is obvious, and please don't tell me you can't visualise Hilary as Lady Macbeth...)

[miditek]

I fail to understand what someone's personal life has to do with their capability of running the country.

It's an American cultural thing, more or less. The traditional school of thought is that if a man's wife or family cannot trust him, than neither should his employer, or in this case, the electorate. Of course, it would be inaccurate to say that all Americans think identically or share this particular opinion.

I'd probably support Guiliani because he has a strong track record of actual achievements and leadership.

He actually does have a very good track record, and no one can take that away from him. One of the things that he did that I'm the most proud of was putting away Gambino family crime boss John Gotti (known as the Teflon Don, since US prosecutors could not get charges against him to 'stick'.), who was widely known to be a cold blooded killer.

Giuliani refused to give up his pursuit of him, and eventually got smart by petitioning the court to have Bruce Cutler (Gotti's expensive attorney/mouthpiece) disqualified from providing further representation to his client, and eventually, Cutler fell under suspicion of being part of the "family".

Another thing that Giuliani was widely credited for was cleaning up New York. He was quoted as saying, "I don't care of I've made New York a better place to visit, but I do hope that I've made it a better place to live." In conjunction with the City Council and NYPD, Giuliani began to focus on quality of life issues, and started by running a lot of the peep shows and strip joints out of Times Square.

He also had more people arrested for petty stuff such as public drunkenness, open containers, prostitution, and etc., with the opinion and logic that if too many petty crimes are ignored, it can lead to greater overall crime rates. You might want to ask Jens if he feels any safer now, since he's lived in NYC for quite some time now.

As in, he's good at his job and has proven it. I don't care two hoots of what he's done in his personal life, that's his business and no one else's.

There is a degree of truth to that, however, leaders need to be held to higher standards than the people that they represent. For instance, former CIA Director George Tenet complained about all of the confusion surrounding the proposed operations to assassinate Bin Laden during the Clinton administration.

Perhaps if Clinton had been more concerned with getting Bin Laden than playing house with an intern half his age, then things might have turned out differently. Had Clinton been caught doing the same thing if he had been a CEO at a Fortune 500 company, he would have undoubtedly been shown the door.

But that is my opinion, and I can only speak for myself. If Clinton would lie about that to the American people, then it's clearly evident he would lie about a great many other things. The Oval Office is really not the place to be conducting cheap, meaningless sexual encounters. It doesn't look good, and it should not be tolerated. I don't like Hillary at all, but I will say that even she didn't deserve that. Now she thinks that she's somehow entitled to be president now, which is complete bullshit.

Shame inconsequential matters such as those actually make an impact on voters.

Well, the world has certainly had it's share of amoral or immoral leaders, and with not so good results at times.

Eg France - both Sarkozy and Royal have patchy marital records, and it was a complete non-issue in the election.

I sort of agree with @Carcass on this one, not much of choice, really. However, I consider Sarkozy to be the lesser of two evils. Royal would have been disastrous, even for France!

(as for the nicknames, Reindeer is obvious, and please don't tell me you can't visualise Hilary as Lady Macbeth...)

I could probably visualize Hilary as Lady McBeth, but I could more easily see her as an intelligent- although bitter, woman, who was humiliated by her husband's years of philandering (that she incredibly claims to have had no prior knowledge of), and that she has a political ax to grind now.

Her anger towards Bush is probably misplaced anger towards men in general, and Bill specifically. Again, I do not approve of the way that Clinton has treated his wife, so I do feel at least some sympathy for her on a personal level, but only if she were truly hurt. If she's faking her marriage now for the sake of getting elected, then I have neither sympathy nor respect for her.

[miditek]

Sarkozy won, as expected. I didn't like either of them very much.

And the celebrations are apparently, well under way!

foxnews.com/images/root_images/france2.jpg

Perhaps Sarko can borrow a few battalions of Frau Merkel's Feldjäger to assist with policing the current festivities, before the Gendarmerie Nationale either a) go on strike to protect the 35 hour work week, or b) find a place to hide from the "youths" that are busy with the post-election party.

[browneyedgirl]

As much as I do like Hillary, I don't think at this point anyone has to worry about her becoming President. The USA is still too sexist&backward to vote in a female(or black)candidate. Sorry, but the truth is the truth. We may be ahead of the world in many areas but socially progressive, no way. On the surface, maybe it appears we are so liberal&nice when it comes to females place in society but USA's idea about females roles in society are totally schitzo, and still stone age. But, thats for another topic.

And, Bill Clinton was not the first Prez of either party to get Nookie on the side.
It has been rumored(no way to prove it)Washington, Jefferson, Jackson all had mulatto children by their slaves. but, as immoral as that practice was, at that time it was very common.
More recently it has been common knowledge that Eisenhower, Roosevelt, Kennedy, had mistresses while in office. I won't even touch Warren Harding, a republican whose dalliances with an underage girl led to an out-of-wedlock daughter.
And, the widowers Martin VanBuren&Chester Arthur never hid their amorous libidos well, either. And it ws even rumored good 'ol Abe Lincoln was a bit of a wolf, too!

The point is, none of the Prez are squeaky clean, especially sexually. ALL of them are human when it comes to temptations from the fair sex. So, its kinda stupid to judge ANYONE, male OR female, on sexual practices or history. But, such selective judgmental thoughts are the USA way&it never changes, alas.

[miditek]

"I want a man who goes into the Oval Office his first time and orders Napalm scented air fresheners installed so he can stay focused" - Dennis Miller

[miditek]

The Sopranos' Johnny Sack does cameo in Clinton ad
msnbc.msn.com/id/19319147/

As if Bill and Hill's links to organized crime were ever in doubt. More gangsters running the country!

[StratoTimo]

There is only one guy that I want to be President of USA... JENS JOHANSSON!!!

[browneyedgirl]

Yes, StratoTimo, yes! :headbang:
We'd all be rockin' in the free world! :music:
Jens could do a good job, IMO, but I think you have to be a natural-born citizen to be Prez in USA. That issue pops up evey once in a while, because there are many foreign-born naturalized citizens who'd do a good job. Like Arnold&Orlando.
Well, Arnold, anyway!
Orlando.

Hilary is on the move&keeping busy!
Getting ready.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19320019

[NeonVomit]

I don't think I could ever take her seriously as a contender.

If it comes down to either her or Giuliani, I'll go with Rudy. He's good at what he does and would be a strong leader with relevant experience. McCain wouldn't be a bad choice either - I was actually really hoping he'd get the Republican nomination last time round, it would be good to have someone with actual first hand experience of war in the White House again at this point in time.

And it is always a good balance to have Congress controlled by one party and a president from the other, power is not biased in either direction.

Yep, the 'unthinkable' - I'll be hoping for a Republican to win! Unless Obama gets the ticket, which is looking increasingly unlikely. Also, the Democrats seem to want to get out of Iraq asap which would be nothing short of an utter catastrophe.

[miditek]

Yes, StratoTimo, yes! :headbang:
We'd all be rockin' in the free world! :music:
Jens could do a good job, IMO, but I think you have to be a natural-born citizen to be Prez in USA. That issue pops up evey once in a while, because there are many foreign-born naturalized citizens who'd do a good job. Like Arnold&Orlando.
Well, Arnold, anyway!
Orlando.

Hilary is on the move&keeping busy!
Getting ready.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19320019

The native born qualification for the presidency would not preclude Jens from running for, let's say, mayor of New York City, or even governor of the State of New York, although I'm quite sure that neither job would be nearly as fun as playing keys in Stratovarius.

[NeonVomit]

This just in: There is officially no one worth voting for. I thought past races were bad, but oh my...

We got Hitlery Macbeth Clinton or a teenager on one side, and a Mor(m)on or a serial adulterer on the other (answering your phone during a speech? What in the name of unholy hell is that all about?!) As for the rest of the characters... the only mildly decent ones won't stand a chance.

I don't know why, but it just seems real bad this time around. And to be honest, it's not like it isn't any worse in any 'democracy'. They're all a bunch of crooks anyway in any nation, so I don't know why I'm particularly down about this...

If I could write, I'd put a book out: "US Presidential Race '08; or How I Learned To Stop Worrying And See Nuclear Annihilation As Funny"

[insert deity of your choosing here] help us.

[browneyedgirl]

There is always Fred Thompson, who allows his children to chew on birth control devices during public interviews.

[browneyedgirl]

Speaking of Hillary. I actually like her, but:


Is this Hillary or Chelsea? I think those pants supposedly make one seem taller.

Awwwww, just in time for Halloween! Or is it Hilloween?


Hitlery?


Sorry, lady, but Monica beat you to it!

There were a whole page of these Oops-type photos.
Let this be a lesson to all of us. No one ever knows who can be watching, or taking photos.

[Carcass]

What's amazing is that these retards really go to church.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21566280/

There's no connection whatsoever to the topic discussed here, but I didn't feel like starting a new thread...

[browneyedgirl]

Speaking of church, the buzz is Rudy Guilliani is supported by a large portion of far right evangelicals.
btw, is it my imagination or does that bee resemble a certain former New York mayor?
And, there is the rumor that Rudy/Ruby is a crossdresser! I don't believe that BS! I mean, can you imagine Guiliani in a miniskirt&thong?

Also, there is THIS enigmatic guy. http://www.ronpaul2008.com

IMO, Paul is there just to steal aay just enough votes fom Dems to insure another 4 years of Repub rule. just like Ralphie nadr did back in 2000. WHO? You know. Ralphie nader who ran under a third party in 2000&received just enough votes(mostly from disgruntled Dems)to take away Gore's assured chances to receive hands-down the Presidency. So, indirectly we can blame Ralphie-boy for 911, Iraq, Osama, higher gas prices, Big Mouth Chavez, and Paris hilton's video.
So, Me thinks Paul is going to pull a Nader. We all know Paul is not going to be nominated, so I bet he runs under a third party. That would garner him enough votes to possibly change the outcome in the 2008 election. Lets face it. Ron Paul is dangerous. After all, he is talking decriminalizing Pot. Man, what a fucking lure!
Besides, President Paul just doesn't sound right.

President Clinton.
Ahhhhhh, THATS better!

[kptmoller]

Why don't bring back Bill Clinton! He is my all-time favorite.(During my lifetime)

And even more after "the Lewinsky"-affair! That thing just showed the world he is human!

[Carcass]

I mean, can you imagine Guiliani in a miniskirt&thong?

Yes.

[miditek]

I mean, can you imagine Guiliani in a miniskirt&thong?

Yes.

[browneyedgirl]

I mean, can you imagine Guiliani in a miniskirt&thong?

Yes.

Oh, Gross Out!
Well, if its OK for the Three Stooges, its OK for Ruby/Rudy,too!
Actually, the rumor that Guiliani is connected to the Mob bothers me more than the talk that he shaves his legs on his lunch hour&dons pantyhose&high heels.

And, what is this thing that Obama&Dick Cheney are cousins? Well, Dick's wife is the one who reported that tidbit to the Media. She did an Ancestory study&about 4 or generations back they had the same sire, or something to that effect.
Wellllllllll, if you close one eye, cock your head to the right&hold your breath.........yeah, maybe some small resemblance there.

[anarchy_in_turkey]

No hope for peace in ıraq,or in palestine. One more bloody warrior is coming. Whomever is elected nothing will be change they will only think about their profits...